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Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"
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Originally Posted by
coastal
Thus the need to make a "big splash" on players that can supposedly deliver.
Well the problem isn't the players...
... It's the organization that's broken.
And I'm done.
Thank God.
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Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"
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Originally Posted by
Joe Fo Sho
Thank God.
Don't worry... I'll stick around to help you understand your ignorance.
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Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"
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Originally Posted by
coastal
Don't worry... I'll stick around to help you understand your ignorance.
Haha, my ignorance?
All I asked you to do is explain you're logic. You played the 3 year old card and basically said, I'm right cuz I'm right. Who's the ignorant one?
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Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"
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Originally Posted by
coastal
Thus the need to make a "big splash" on players that can supposedly deliver.
Well the problem isn't the players...
... It's the organization that's broken.
And I'm done.
That much we can agree on. I maintain that it will remain so until Wilson is no longer with the organization. There's no denying his contribution to the league over the years, but his tenure as an owner has been a failure.
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Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"
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Originally Posted by
coastal
Hard truths usually are.
My alternative to Mario was Jabaal Sheard.
He only had one tackle today too.
I don't think it cost a million dollars though.
Sheard is under a rookie contract of 4 years 5 million and change.
But please explain to me how Sheard was your alternative when Sheard was drafted in 2011 and Mario was an FA in 2012?
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Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"
What a ****ing loser. One game and you're already pumping your chest. That's the only reason I logged on, to see you make a fool of yourself. What a juvinile pussy. Did you brag when you slept with the fat girl down the street when you were 16? I know you brag about ****ing your wife.
What a man.
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Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"
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Originally Posted by
coastal
Thus the need to make a "big splash" on players that can supposedly deliver.
Well the problem isn't the players...
... It's the organization that's broken.
And I'm done.
wait you were saying mario is fools gold and now he's not broken.....it's the organization. no comprende. pick an argument and stick with it.
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Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"
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Originally Posted by
FunTimesYaY!
Sheard is under a rookie contract of 4 years 5 million and change.
But please explain to me how Sheard was your alternative when Sheard was drafted in 2011 and Mario was an FA in 2012?
He's probably only going to tell you that "he's right and he's smart." You won't get a real answer from him, the guy is a joke.
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Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"
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Originally Posted by
Joe Fo Sho
He's probably only going to tell you that "he's right and he's smart." You won't get a real answer from him, the guy is a joke.
Generally when you have an alternative, the alternative is a guy who's available the same year to you.
I, personally, think we overpaid for Mario but that's the nature of FA. Plus we have an obvious need for pass rushers so what else were we gonna do? Sign another situational guy like Anderson and then let Ralph pocket some more money instead?
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Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"
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Originally Posted by
FunTimesYaY!
Generally when you have an alternative, the alternative is a guy who's available the same year to you.
I, personally, think we overpaid for Mario but that's the nature of FA. Plus we have an obvious need for pass rushers so what else were we gonna do? Sign another situational guy like Anderson and then let Ralph pocket some more money instead?
Exactly. Most people had 'pass rush' as a top 2 need on this team, so we go out and get Mario and Anderson and break the bank. Now, after 1 week, people are *****ing...ridiculous.
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Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"
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Originally Posted by
BuffaloWingEater
wait you were saying mario is fools gold and now he's not broken.....it's the organization. no comprende. pick an argument and stick with it.
Mario was a decision...
And it was the wrong decision at the wrong time.. A decision made in a desperate effort to regain the loyalties and attention of a faltering fan base.
It was a decision that Ralph has duplicated before.
Mario as a player may or may not be fine... My point is the decision making process that goes into bringing him in when they did, for the amount that they did, for the reasons they did... all wrong!
Like I said... Fool's Gold.
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Originally Posted by
pmoon6
What a ****ing loser. One game and you're already pumping your chest. That's the only reason I logged on, to see you make a fool of yourself. What a juvinile pussy. Did you brag when you slept with the fat girl down the street when you were 16? I know you brag about ****ing your wife.
What a man.
Did you watch the Niners game?
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Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"
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Originally Posted by
FunTimesYaY!
Generally when you have an alternative, the alternative is a guy who's available the same year to you.
I, personally, think we overpaid for Mario but that's the nature of FA. Plus we have an obvious need for pass rushers so what else were we gonna do? Sign another situational guy like Anderson and then let Ralph pocket some more money instead?
Jabaal Sheard was drafted the year before when we took A Williams.
We created the need for a pass rusher by selecting another high round CB.
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Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"
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Originally Posted by
coastal
Jabaal Sheard was drafted the year before when we took A Williams.
We created the need for a pass rusher by selecting another high round CB.
We were also a 3-4 front team when we drafted A Williams...Sheard is a 4-3 DE not a 3-4 DE.
Completely irrelevant point to say you would have drafted a guy who at the time wouldn't have even fit the scheme.
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Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"
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Originally Posted by
FunTimesYaY!
We were also a 3-4 front team when we drafted A Williams...Sheard is a 4-3 DE not a 3-4 DE.
Completely irrelevant point to say you would have drafted a guy who at the time wouldn't have even fit the scheme.
Exactly what scheme do we run other than a ****ty one?
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Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"
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Originally Posted by
coastal
Exactly what scheme do we run other than a ****ty one?
When you are a team who usually runs 3-4 looks what purpose does drafting a 4-3 DE serve?
And how is that a viable alternative at the time it happened?
Use hindsight all you want but NO team is drafting a 4-3 DE when they run mainly 3-4 looks...EVER.
So what REALISTIC alternative would you have done instead of Mario...ie someone different to pick up in 2012 than Mario.
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Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"
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Originally Posted by
FunTimesYaY!
When you are a team who usually runs 3-4 looks what purpose does drafting a 4-3 DE serve?
And how is that a viable alternative at the time it happened?
Use hindsight all you want but NO team is drafting a 4-3 DE when they run mainly 3-4 looks...EVER.
So what REALISTIC alternative would you have done instead of Mario...ie someone different to pick up in 2012 than Mario.
Dude... We had Spencer Johnson and Chris Kelsay playing OLB and played 4 man fronts half the time anyways... so your argument sucks.
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Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"
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Originally Posted by
coastal
Dude... We had Spencer Johnson and Chris Kelsay playing OLB and played 4 man fronts half the time anyways... so your argument sucks.
Just because we didn't have ideal players for a 3-4 doesn't mean it was smart to bring in more players that didn't fit the scheme, we were transitioning.
Oh sorry, I forgot how smart you said you were...my bad, nevermind.
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Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"
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Originally Posted by
Joe Fo Sho
Just because we didn't have ideal players for a 3-4 doesn't mean it was smart to bring in more players that didn't fit the scheme, we were transitioning.
Oh sorry, I forgot how smart you said you were...my bad, nevermind.
A question Inwould love to ask Wanny after today...
Wanny... You coached Jabaal Sheard in college. Would he ever whine after a game about the refs not calling hands to the face or he would be take it as a green light to dish it out himself?
Thanks... And I'm going to hang up and listen to your comments.
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Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"
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Originally Posted by
jimmifli
JoeMama's response is the still the best answer. We needed a pass rush. He was the best available. The Bills have to overpay to get anyone because they've been the worst team in the NFL for almost 15 years.
The NFL is a passing league so good pass rushers are hard to come by.
I was more excited that they were willing to spend that much money, it signalled that they are at least trying. They're still inept, but at least they're trying.
I appreciate the bump.
You're probably the sharpest economic minded guy on the board. I think you and I were on the same page about Mario and why he commanded the contract he did.
It's like in the business world: In order to lure better talent to an undesirable workplace, a business has to offer more money than its competitors to make it happen. I think it's called a compensating wage differential. Something like that. It doesn't matter.
I still don't believe Mario is God's gift to defensive ends - and probably never will - but in order to attract talent to an undesirable, losing franchise, you have to overpay to get name players.
I'm disappointed that the results weren't more instantly gratifying.
I'd say more but I'm too discouraged about the performance to defend anything or anyone related to the Buffalo Bills tonight.
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Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"
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Originally Posted by
coastal
A question Inwould love to ask Wanny after today...
Wanny... You coached Jabaal Sheard in college. Would he ever whine after a game about the refs not calling hands to the face or he would be take it as a green light to dish it out himself?
Thanks... And I'm going to hang up and listen to your comments.
He'd laugh at you for asking such a dumb question.
You said you were done about an hour ago, please mean it this time.
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Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"
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Originally Posted by
Joe Fo Sho
Edit
I give a rats ass about the media or "conventional" fanboy wisdom.
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Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"
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Originally Posted by
coastal
I give a rats ass about the media or "conventional" fanboy wisdom.
Right, you're smart because you said you were.
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Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"
Invisible. Hey he's got that going for him.
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Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"
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Originally Posted by
Joe Fo Sho
Right, you're smart because you said you were.
What's your cogent point?
Mario is awesome and rules?
Cool.
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Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"
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Originally Posted by
coastal
What's your cogent point?
Mario is awesome and rules?
Cool.
When did I say that? You shouldn't put words in other peoples mouth's. Self titled smart people don't do that.
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Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"
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Originally Posted by
Joe Fo Sho
When did I say that? You shouldn't put words in other peoples mouth's. Self titled smart people don't do that.
can u explain to me why Chris Kelsay is still on the team?
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Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"
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Originally Posted by
coastal
can u explain to me why Chris Kelsay is still on the team?
Nope. Why do you think I'm qualified to do that?
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Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"
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Originally Posted by
Joe Fo Sho
Nope.
neither can I... haven't been honestly able to for years.
Assuming you agree... Don't you think that has something to do with all of this?
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Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"
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Originally Posted by
JoeMama
It's like in the business world: In order to lure better talent to an undesirable workplace, a business has to offer more money than its competitors to make it happen. I think it's called a compensating wage differential. Something like that. It doesn't matter.
I still don't believe Mario is God's gift to defensive ends - and probably never will - but in order to attract talent to an undesirable, losing franchise, you have to overpay to get name players.
you mean like Pittsburgh does?
Oops.
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Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"
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Originally Posted by
coastal
neither can I... haven't been honestly able to for years.
Assuming you agree... Don't you think that has something to do with all of this?
All of what? Who is Chris Kelsay taking playing time away from? Who would we have signed that Chris Kelsay's salary is preventing us from signing?
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Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"
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Originally Posted by
coastal
you mean like Pittsburgh does?
Oops.
Pittsburgh doesn't have an infinitely long losing history.
They have more Superbowl rings than any other team in the NFL.
They have a hard time retaining all the talent they draft, making it largely unnecessary to go get big names in free agency.
If you're suggesting we should draft better, well duh, I agree.
But we don't and that's why we haven't made the playoffs in 12 years and that's why we're trying to throw money at the problem.
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Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"
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Originally Posted by
Joe Fo Sho
All of what? Who is Chris Kelsay taking playing time away from? Who would we have signed that Chris Kelsay's salary is preventing us from signing?
All of what?
The decisions this organization makes.. That's what.
And it's not about who they would pay instead of Kelsay.. It's about the desperate need to sign Mario wouldn't exist if we started making better decisions as a franchise.... And keeping some bag of **** football player like kelsay around takes away opportunities from real football players helping this organization to improve.
But we don't do that and year after year we expect a different result and when we don't get it... The panic button gets pressed and we draft players like Aaron Maybin or spend $100 million on a guy who hasn't produced in 3 years.
Fools gold dude.
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Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"
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Originally Posted by
JoeMama
But we don't and that's why we haven't made the playoffs in 12 years and that's why we're trying to throw money at the problem.
and wouldn't u agree that this recipe has proven to be a failure way more often than not in the NFL?
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Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"
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Originally Posted by
coastal
All of what?
The decisions this organization makes.. That's what.
And it's not about who they would pay instead of Kelsay.. It's about the desperate need to sign Mario wouldn't exist if we started making better decisions as a franchise.... And keeping some bag of **** football player like kelsay around takes away opportunities from real football players helping this organization to improve.
But we don't do that and year after year we expect a different result and when we don't get it... The panic button gets pressed and we draft players like Aaron Maybin or spend $100 million on a guy who hasn't produced in 3 years.
Fools gold dude.
You haven't paid attention to basically the only thing I've said on this thread...I only asked how signing Mark Anderson was a better transaction than signing Mario Williams. You preceded to tell me that you're smarter than me without answering my question. I don't give 2 ****s about fools gold.
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Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"
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Originally Posted by
coastal
and wouldn't u agree that this recipe has proven to be a failure way more often than not in the NFL?
Everybody that has been paying attention agrees. But drafting badly and not bringing in any good players would be worse.
I think the 49ers (as you pointed out) provide a pretty good blueprint. Buy better players until you start drafting good players and then stop buying players and try to keep as many of your good players as you can afford.
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Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"
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Originally Posted by
Joe Fo Sho
You haven't paid attention to basically the only thing I've said on this thread...I only asked how signing Mark Anderson was a better transaction than signing Mario Williams. You preceded to tell me that you're smarter than me without answering my question. I don't give 2 ****s about fools gold.
Because... Anderson struggled in this league... To the point where he's been released.
And he came back... Worked hard... Learned... And repeated his initial success... And produced last year!
Not to mention... We didn't make him the highest paid player in the history of the franchise.
It was a signing that made sense.
M Williams wasnt sensible. It felt good... But it wasn't sensible... Not. One. Damn. Bit.
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Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"
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Originally Posted by
jimmifli
Everybody that has been paying attention agrees. But drafting badly and not bringing in any good players would be worse.
I think the 49ers (as you pointed out) provide a pretty good blueprint. Buy better players until you start drafting good players and then stop buying players and try to keep as many of your good players as you can afford.
http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles...he-draft-nears
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Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"
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Originally Posted by
coastal
Because... Anderson struggled in this league... To the point where he's been released.
And he came back... Worked hard... Learned... And repeated his initial success... And produced last year!
Not to mention... We didn't make him the highest paid player in the history of the franchise.
It was a signing that made sense.
M Williams was sensible. It felt good... But it wasn't sensible... Not. One. Damn. Bit.
Ok.
So you've made this big stink about Mario's first game. How did Anderson do today?
Why does how much we paid for Mario matter in THIS case? We're still under the cap, Mario isn't preventing any signings.
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Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"
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Originally Posted by
Joe Fo Sho
Ok.
So you've made this big stink about Mario's first game. How did Anderson do today?
Why does how much we paid for Mario matter in THIS case? We're still under the cap, Mario isn't preventing any signings.
One thing Anderson didn't do was whine about getting blocked in his post game presser.
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Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"
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Originally Posted by
coastal
One thing Anderson didn't do was whine about getting blocked in his post game presser.
Who cares what he said in the presser? Do I think he should've *****ed, no. Do I care about what he says off the field, not really...especially in this case.
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Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"
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Originally Posted by
Joe Fo Sho
Who cares what he said in the presser? Do I think he should've *****ed, no. Do I care about what he says off the field, not really...especially in this case.
We're two very different people then.
Because whether he likes it or not.. Mario is the leader of the team.
And our leader is a butt ****ing whiner.
And I personally have a problem with leaders who are butt ****ing whiners... Especially when they don't produce.
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Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"
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Originally Posted by
coastal
We're two very different people then.
Because whether he likes it or not.. Mario is the leader of the team.
And our leader is a butt ****ing whiner.
And I personally have a problem with leaders who are butt ****ing whiners... Especially when they don't produce.
Mario is not the leader on this team. That was discussed during his signing. He's here to play DE, not be a voice in the locker room.
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Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"
Is it too late to restructure his contract and get some of that money back? Guy was invisible out there today and against a rookie tackle pretty much. That's not acceptable.
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Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"
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Originally Posted by
Joe Fo Sho
Mario is not the leader on this team. That was discussed during his signing. He's here to play DE, not be a voice in the locker room.
I think you are missing his point.
Mario is the highest paid BILLS player... boy needs to step it up and not be a whining *****.
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Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"
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Originally Posted by
Blondie
I think you are missing his point.
Mario is the highest paid BILLS player... boy needs to step it up and not be a whining *****.
Works pretty well for Brady..
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Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"
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Originally Posted by
Joe Fo Sho
Works pretty well for Brady..
You are right about that!
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Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"
Alright, I'm out for the night...bumble bee tuna.
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Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"
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Originally Posted by
coastal
Great advice! Draft better. Supplement through free agency. What about the teams that draft ****ty?
Now you're the Bills GM, and you've had 15 years of mostly ****ty drafts. You've got a boatload of money and a bunch of ****ty players. Are you saying don't spend it? Or spend it on players that don't want to come here. You like the Anderson signing, why do you think he came here? It might just be related to the strength of the Bills Dline and the fact that he's the least likely guy on the line to face a double team. Do you think he comes if we didn't land Mario? I don't.
And what about next off season? Do you think there may be some FA LBers that wouldn't mind playing behind that line and would at least keep the Bills on the list?
The team sucks, and has sucked for a long time. And until it shows some success it will be hard to attract those mid tier guys that don't break the bank.
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Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"
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Originally Posted by
Joe Fo Sho
Works pretty well for Brady..
Except Brady actually produces...
Big difference.
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Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"
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Originally Posted by
coastal
and wouldn't u agree that this recipe has proven to be a failure way more often than not in the NFL?
Dan Snyder's reckless spending is a good example in defense of your overall point.
But certainly, many teams have addressed specific weak spots via free agency.
Minnesota basically built a defensive dynasty around the acquisitions of former Bills, DT Pat Williams and CB Antoine Winfield.
The Vikings had a real good run for a real long time with those two as pivotal parts of the puzzle.