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  • Mad Max
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    • Mar 2003
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    We don’t need a number one receiver…says Beanie Baby





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  • YardRat
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    • Dec 2004
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    #2
    Re: We don’t need a number one receiver…says Beanie Baby

    He's right.
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    • Mad Max
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      • Mar 2003
      • 6698

      #3
      Re: We don’t need a number one receiver…says Beanie Baby

      Originally posted by YardRat View Post
      He's right.
      He’s lying. Smokescreen 101.

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      • YardRat
        Well, lookie here...
        • Dec 2004
        • 86147

        #4
        Re: We don’t need a number one receiver…says Beanie Baby

        Originally posted by Mad Max View Post
        He’s lying. Smokescreen 101.
        Lying about what? He didn't say they weren't interested in acquiring a talented receiver.
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        • Mad Max
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          • Mar 2003
          • 6698

          #5
          Re: We don’t need a number one receiver…says Beanie Baby

          Originally posted by YardRat View Post
          Lying about what? He didn't say they weren't interested in acquiring a talented receiver.
          Lying about him thinking we don’t need a number one.

          As as been witnessed you technically don’t have to have one but it sure makes life easier.

          He’s leaving doubt out there, aka smokescreening about his upcoming draft strategy.

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          • Novacane
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            • Jul 2002
            • 42348

            #6
            Re: We don’t need a number one receiver…says Beanie Baby

            KC has won the last two SB without one.

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            • kgun12
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              • Jul 2002
              • 11315

              #7
              Re: We don’t need a number one receiver…says Beanie Baby

              Originally posted by Novacane View Post
              KC has won the last two SB without one.
              AThis! nd the Bills had a pretty good run the last half of the season without one.
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              • Woodman
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                • Apr 2014
                • 65883

                #8
                Re: We don’t need a number one receiver…says Beanie Baby

                Can you win a Super Bowl without a great #1 WR?

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                • cookie G
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                  • Mar 2003
                  • 7561

                  #9
                  Re: We don’t need a number one receiver…says Beanie Baby

                  Actually, at one point in the PC, he said that you'd prefer to have 2 no 1 WRs, if you can.

                  All I know is that for his 1st 2 years, Josh was fair to middlin', with flashes of brilliance. He had John Brown and Beasely in 2019, but still only threw for 3000 yards, and had an offense that was 23rd in scoring. With most of the starters (skill positions), plus Diggs, the offense passed for 1000 yards more and went to 2nd in the league in scoring.

                  And it remained that high for the next 4 years.

                  I don't feel real good about saying "Josh has progressed so much that we can throw anyone out there".

                  This year's WR crop is very very talented and very deep, but that depth is not infinite. This isn't the year to draft, say, another pass rusher at 28 and wait until the bottom of the 2nd to draft one. All those teams supposedly drafting QB's in the 1st, teams drafting before us...will probably look at the WR pool in the 2nd. Same with those teams drafting before us who are taking other positions in the 2nd.

                  Much of that talent will be plucked away by the time we draft at 60.

                  They are in a very good position to get talent at 28, talent that they really don't have on the roster.

                  Beane has talked for years about finding the big play threat. Now is his chance to get it.

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                  • jamze132
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                    • Jun 2003
                    • 29290

                    #10
                    Re: We don’t need a number one receiver…says Beanie Baby

                    I’m all for staying at 28 and taking the best WR available. Should still be able to get a very good one!

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                    • Mad Max
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                      • Mar 2003
                      • 6698

                      #11
                      Re: We don’t need a number one receiver…says Beanie Baby

                      Originally posted by Novacane View Post
                      KC has won the last two SB without one.
                      Having a first ballot HOF TE as their top pass catcher by targets, yards and yards per game negates their need for one.

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                      • Historian
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                        • Dec 2002
                        • 61707

                        #12
                        Re: We don’t need a number one receiver…says Beanie Baby

                        Lets be honest.

                        The last time the Bills had a legit #1 receiver, it was Eric Moulds.

                        We are way overdue.

                        KC won two SBS because of their quarterback's ability to vamp on the run, plus they have the best TE in football.

                        Josh is a traditional pocket passer who needs a deep threat.

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                        • GreedoII
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                          • Aug 2007
                          • 1301

                          #13
                          Re: We don’t need a number one receiver…says Beanie Baby

                          They don't want a guy crying for the ball every dang down. Simple as that. They are drafting a WR unless a blue-chipper falls to them in another position and they pick them. Its that simple

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                          • YardRat
                            Well, lookie here...
                            • Dec 2004
                            • 86147

                            #14
                            Re: We don’t need a number one receiver…says Beanie Baby

                            Originally posted by cookie G View Post
                            Actually, at one point in the PC, he said that you'd prefer to have 2 no 1 WRs, if you can.
                            Which I interpret as having enough talent at several positions that the "#1 WR" is going to be different guys, at different times. Kincaid could be "#1" one week...Shakir for a half...Cook for a drive...depending on what the defense is giving you.

                            All I know is that for his 1st 2 years, Josh was fair to middlin', with flashes of brilliance. He had John Brown and Beasely in 2019, but still only threw for 3000 yards, and had an offense that was 23rd in scoring. With most of the starters (skill positions), plus Diggs, the offense passed for 1000 yards more and went to 2nd in the league in scoring.

                            And it remained that high for the next 4 years.
                            I think some people find some encouragement in how the offense performed the last half of last season when Diggs was "absent".
                            I don't feel real good about saying "Josh has progressed so much that we can throw anyone out there".
                            Yeah me either, because he hasn't. He's stagnated the last couple (few?) years, actually. Looking through rose-colored glasses maybe in hindsight we can claim Diggs actually stunted Allen's growth to a certain extent because of his insistence on being the "#1" and the QB will finally show some more growth.
                            This year's WR crop is very very talented and very deep, but that depth is not infinite. This isn't the year to draft, say, another pass rusher at 28 and wait until the bottom of the 2nd to draft one. All those teams supposedly drafting QB's in the 1st, teams drafting before us...will probably look at the WR pool in the 2nd. Same with those teams drafting before us who are taking other positions in the 2nd.

                            Much of that talent will be plucked away by the time we draft at 60.

                            They are in a very good position to get talent at 28, talent that they really don't have on the roster.

                            Beane has talked for years about finding the big play threat. Now is his chance to get it.
                            I don't think anybody is claiming we couldn't use a talented receiver in the draft or we shouldn't use our first on one, IMO it's more "we don't need a guy to build the passing game around at wide receiver because we already have the QB to do that".
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                            • Forward_Lateral
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                              • Mar 2004
                              • 29895

                              #15
                              Re: We don’t need a number one receiver…says Beanie Baby

                              You don’t need one if you have an all world TE

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