Orton is getting $5 Million this year, yeah he's a back-up QB

$5 Million this season, LOL. EJ will be watching this guy start sooner than later.

Why? 5 million is not starter money

Bad news for Manuel, Orton will start sooner rather than later.

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Why? 5 million is not starter money

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That's how much the Bucs are paying their starter.

As I mentioned in a couple of other threads, another haste decision. All off season we discussed the backup, or lack there of, QB situation, they did nothing to address it. EJ continued to play like ****, and then a week before the season starts they get desperate. Too funny.

No plan, no idea on how to build a winner, just try and desperately patch a sinking ship. Like rats they seek refuge, but it's inevitable, they'll be dead by early November at the latest. This front office will be blown up once again, and 2015 will be worse than 2014 because these fools went all in on 2014, even though they had no ****ing QB capable of leading a team on the roster.

As well he should be for agreeing to come here.

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It means they wanted him really bad. It means EJ is on the shortest of leashes, because the current front office and staff need to win some games or the new owner is going to power-wash the entire operation and start over.

Basically, the pressure is on EJ to show some progress, something he hasn't done at all, or he will be on the bench and they will hope Orton can save their behinds. I give it to the start of October at the latest.

I heard somewhere that the Rams were also pursuing Orton, so maybe the Bills had to sweeten the pot to get him to come here, and not miss out.

#1-Orton has only been on the market for six weeks, so it's not like Buffalo had an opportunity to sign him prior to mid-July.
#2-If there was competition for his services, how about for once giving the front office props for stepping up and getting him in here, instead of pissing and moaning over 'what took so long?'.

As I posted twice now, the Bills had been trying to sign him for a few months according to Tim Graham

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As I posted twice now, the Bills had been trying to sign him for a few months according to Tim Graham

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How do you try to sign a guy for a few months when he was under contract elsewhere still a little over a month ago?

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As I posted twice now, the Bills had been trying to sign him for a few months according to Tim Graham

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I saw one of the posts, but don't know how it could be a few months when he was a Cowboy until July 15th.

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As I posted twice now, the Bills had been trying to sign him for a few months according to Tim Graham

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The Tim Graham part explains everything.

Sure Tim is right, even though he's only been available for a little over a month.

We are so far under the cap that this is completely irrelevant.

I'm more concerned with the fact that he doesn't know the play book yet, especially given EJ's injury history.

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We are so far under the cap that this is completely irrelevant.

I'm more concerned with the fact that he doesn't know the play book yet, especially given EJ's injury history.

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Would you like him to just pull a Matrix and it's all Piped into his brain ?

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We are so far under the cap that this is completely irrelevant.

I'm more concerned with the fact that he doesn't know the play book yet, especially given EJ's injury history.

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That's why you protect yourself and sign Tuel or Thad Lewis to the PS tomorrow. The truth is backup QBs are nothing more than insurance policies and most teams would struggle if they were asked to start their backup QB no matter how long they've been on the roster.

I'm less concerned about the money (which is no where near starter money) and more concerned about the impression this leaves that they don't seem to know what they're doing. I get that the Dougs are a little over a year into their gigs and that there is still a lot to be learned, but this just gives the perception that they are incompetent about some major personnel issues. This can be survived, but it is hardly a good sign.

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Would you like him to just pull a Matrix and it's all Piped into his brain ?

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What I would like is that the team realized that the backup situation was a cluster**** months ago and had a viable backup in camp. In the end we got a better player as a backup, but at the expense of systems knowledge.

It's organizational dysfunction at an absurd level.

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What I would like is that the team realized that the backup situation was a cluster**** months ago and had a viable backup in camp. In the end we got a better player as a backup, but at the expense of systems knowledge.

It's organizational dysfunction at an absurd level.

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Who did you want them to pick up months ago?

Here's a list, just to refresh anybody's memory...


Derek Anderson, Carolina Panthers
Jimmy Clausen, Carolina Panthers
Kellen Clemens, St. Louis Rams
Matt Flynn, Green Bay Packers
Josh Freeman, Minnesota Vikings
David Garrard, New York Jets
Rex Grossman, Washington Redskins
Shaun Hill, Detroit Lions
Tarvaris Jackson, Seattle Seahawks
Jon Kitna, Dallas Cowboys
Josh McCown, Chicago Bears
Luke McCown, New Orleans Saints
Colt McCoy, San Francisco 49ers
Dan Orlovsky, Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Curtis Painter, New York Giants
Jordan Palmer, Chicago Bears
Brady Quinn, St. Louis Rams
Rusty Smith, Tennessee Titans
Michael Vick, Philadelphia Eagles
Seneca Wallace, Green Bay Packers
Charlie Whitehurst, San Diego Chargers

Orton threatened retirement so he could get cut and find a team with a chance to play... Then does the smart thing and waits out the pre season for an injury to occur. After the Bradford injury as well as other teams with shaky qb play his services come into demand. He then commands a ridiculous amount of money from a qb hungry team (the bills) and gets paid. Well done sir.

You can be mad at the Bills for signing him but do not be mad at him for getting paid well for his services. He rolled the dice by demanding out of Dallas and it paid off for him. You are worth what they will pay you.

As far as him as a fit for Buffalo... I feel he is better than qb's like Cassel, Henne, and Locker but not as good as qb's like C. Palmer, P. Rivers, or Dalton. He fits the Alex Smith mold IMO. A guy that can move an offense and not make a ton of mistakes but he is not a guy who will win games from behind in the 4th quarter. Or blow you away by his play. He was definetly the best QB available in a poor QB market and was the recipient of a grossly high salary because of it. Given the situation that Buffalo put themselves in, they could do worse... It could be EJ, and Tuel going into next Sunday.