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How would you rate the last few drafts compared to 2012 QB Class:
2008: Ryan, Flacco, Brohm, Henne, Flynn,
2009: Stafford, Sanchez, Freeman
2010: Bradford, McCoy, Tebow, Clausen
2011: Newton, Ponder, Locker, Gabbert, Dalton, Mallet
2012: Luck, RG3, Tenehill, Wilson, Weeden
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2013: Geno Smith, Matt Barkley, Landry Jones, Logan Thomas, Tyler Wilson, Tyler Bray (J),
Remember to Compare them as PROSPECTS to each other. Who are the Best Prospects?
'11 and '12... which makes passing on a QB the past two years that much harder to swallow (although many of those guys were gone when we picked anyway). Throw EJ into '13 and it has a chance to be as good as the rest of what's left, and possibly '11. '12 is in a league of its own.
It just doesn't stop with Mike does it? This isn't Bills related, so please transfer yet another Mike thread to the spam zone or the NFL board. Mike: "uh Brohm was a Bi..." Shut up. Stop making threads Mitchell.
Buzz off. You want to censor one member, look out - you could be the next one. Don't try to urge that folks be shut up. Confine your personal attacks to your immediate family.Quote:
Originally Posted by ServoBillieves
And if I was going against the ToS, rules, or just being a complete moron, I would probably accept the censorship, yet constant trolls thrive here. I think there are many people here who need to be 'censored'. Personal attacks to my family makes absolutely no sense cincy, due to the fact I love my family and wouldn't attack them over menial or unbelievably stupid things such as speculation on quarterbacks in a draft class in a game. If that is how strong you feel about the situation then to each their own, but in my opinion it's insanely sad. I had respect for your opinions, but never bring my immediate family in to an incredibly stupid situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by stuckincincy
If those words were too big for you or if you wanted to clarify, I would gladly let you know. Don't take me as an unintelligent moron sir.
Play nice.
I'm just as annoyed by the constant "look how the Bills screwed up" threads, but there's no rules being broken here. If you don't like it, don't read it, don't respond.
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Originally Posted by ServoBillieves
I don't take you as a moron. I read and enjoy your postings. I know many big words and I don't require your clarifcation, believe me. Don't add snippy to your CV.
You bad mouthed a legit poster. Which is why I suggested keeping such within one's own circle. But you didn't get the gist of the jibe. Just a knee-jerk reaction sans appreciation of nuance.
Best we both let this kerfuffle fade away. Agreed? :2cents:
You obviously have low standards for "legit posters", although im not surprised from someone who thinks that because they "know many big words" and then uses words such as kerfuffle as though they are more gramatically skilled than everyone else.Quote:
Originally Posted by stuckincincy
Tannehill not Tenehill
It really doesn't matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by LtFinFan66
yeah...it does
No it doesn't. Just look around at the previous posts, it doesn't matter one bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by LtFinFan66
I think people are underrating this year's draft class. Which is strange because usually they are overrated compared to the previous years'. Take Matt Barkley. He's a 4 year starter with a 2.5:1 TD/Int ratio, a >62% completion % in a pro style offense, and he set the passing TD record at a school that has produced multiple Heisman winners. And he might be the third QB off the board. In 2011 people were talking themselves into taking Blaine Gabbert, who completely and obviously sucked. I'm confident we can find a winner this year, whether that be Manuel, Barkley, chasing Smith, etc.
Let's just hope we're smart enough to take a QB early.Quote:
Originally Posted by IlluminatusUIUC
We will. But will it be the right one? Will we move up to get the right one if need be? We cannot have "I don't want to give up a pick to move up 2 spots so I'll blow the next 5 years + by taking JP ****ing Losman"Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Miyagi
You have to give Buddy credit for seeing that, not everyone did. I could tell as soon as I saw Gabbert interview with Gruden that was a soft pretty boy. To play in the elements of Buffalo you need an arm but more than that you need to be a tough guy. I honestly believe Drew Bledsoe was that kind of guy and if Donahoe had done even a fair job of putting a line in front of him he would have been great here. He started off that way before he got beaten into submission. I want no part of any soft USC QB.Quote:
Originally Posted by IlluminatusUIUC
Mind your own business.Quote:
Originally Posted by pinkdogg32
but barkley doesn't win the big games...he strikes me as anything USC has produced the last 10 years or so.Quote:
Originally Posted by IlluminatusUIUC
I don't like that the big names this year have all won nothing and tend to choke in the big game.
Call me crazy, but i still think Optimus Klein is someone since he's dealing with the pressure and they are winning. i admittedly don't know a lot about the qb class, but from the games i've watched, bray looks good because he throws accurately but they aren't winning big time matchups.
r wilson wasn't an amazing prospect but he carries a swagger and changed that teams offense quickly.
Oh sorry, didnt realize this was a personal matter. You and Mike must be "close".Quote:
Originally Posted by stuckincincy
What do you mean by "close", child? I don't know this "Mike" you refer to. Please educate all us posters.Quote:
Originally Posted by pinkdogg32
This whole class has such questionable decision making. I find myself liking 2nd or even 3rd rounders better than the top guys.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike
Really? You've got the final answer on Gabbert after a total of one and less than a half years? How did Brees look in his first few years?Quote:
Originally Posted by IlluminatusUIUC
Yes, I do. Brees at least had some success to look back upon at Purdue, back when the Big 10 was actually good. Gabbert, however, looked horrendous in a wide-open Mizzou spread that made Brad Smith and Chase Daniels look like Heisman candidates. 16 TDs/9 ints as a Big XII spread QB?! The guy was horrid in college, but he's big and strong and draftniks needed a 3rd QB to hype. So suddenly he went from a marginal QB to a possible franchise QB? C'mon. He's a 3rd-5th round prospect who got hilariously overdrafted and it shows every sunday.Quote:
Originally Posted by X-Era
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Originally Posted by IlluminatusUIUC
G-GS Co.-Att. Pct. Yds. TDs INTs Rating 2002 12-12 196-366 53.6% 2,333 15 6 117.34 2003 13-13 211-350 60.3% 1,977 11 7 114.11 2004 11-11 191-369 51.8% 2,185 17 11 110.74 2005 12-12 237-399 59.4% 2,304 13 9 114.14 Totals 48-48 835-1,484 56.3% 8,799 56 33 114.10
DANIEL CAREER STATISTICS PASSING RUSHING G-GS Comp.-Att. Pct. Yds. TDs INTs Rating Att. Yds. Avg. TD Long 2005 10-0 38-66 57.6% 347 1 2 100.68 39 57 1.5 1 8 2006 13-13 287-452 63.5% 3,527 28 10 145.06 147 379 2.3 4 25 2007 13-13 372-534 69.7% 4,170 33 10 151.90 104 284 2.7 4 39 Totals 36-26 697-1,052 66.3% 8,044 62 22 145.75 290 720 2.5 9 39
BLAINE GABBERT STATS Passing Rushing Statistics Att Comp Pct Yds TD Int Rating Att Yds Avg TD 2010 475 301 63.4 3,186 16 9 127.0 112 232 2.1 5 2009 445 262 58.9 3,593 24 9 140.5 103 204 2.0 3 2008 13 5 38.5 43 0 0 66.2 6 22 3.7 0 Career 933 568 60.9 6,822 40 18 132.6 221 458 2.1 8
So I can see an argument for Daniel but Smith? Really? Anyone who watched him knows he was far from horrid. In fact he was good enough to have a NFL front office draft him high in the first round. Yet Smith and Daniel went 4th round and undrafted respectively. Must be you knew something that 32 teams didn't.
No QB prospect should be judged after only one season.
Peyton Manning could never beat Florida. Meanwhile, if not for a pass interference penalty, Ken Dorsey would have multiple national titles. I think the big game argument could be overstated. That said, remember that USC has been post-season ineligible since 2010. If not for that, Barkley would have had a shot at the Pac12 title last year against an Oregon team they had already beaten.Quote:
Originally Posted by trapezeus
This is NOT a look at how the Bills screwed up thread. No where do I mention the Bills.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Miyagi
This is a Genuine question: How does this Draft Class comare to the others? I dont watch college football so I only have draft knowledgable fans I can ask. How would you stack them up.
Well, you conveniently left off Smith's 4200 rushing yards and 45 rushing TDs. That does change the picture slightly.Quote:
Originally Posted by X-Era
I did watch him. I follow Colorado so I used to watch lot of Big XII football. He was mediocre in a system that lets unimpressive QBs put up video game numbers. McShay got one look at him throwing passes in shorts with no pass rush and fell in love with his build. But he's got terrible pocket awareness and can't read defenses.Quote:
Anyone who watched him knows he was far from horrid. In fact he was good enough to have a NFL front office draft him high in the first round. Yet Smith and Daniel went 4th round and undrafted respectively. Must be you knew something that 32 teams didn't.
No QB prospect should be judged after only one season.
I always love the "Oh you must be SO much smarter than the paid professionals" line. Highly paid professionals gave JaMarcus Russell $40 million dollars. They can and do make mistakes and overrate themselves.
I voted 2009 as one of the best 2. Yeah, I know it wasn't, but the Bucs drafted Freeman so it was a GREAT draft for Bucs fans.
ANY prospect could be a mistake. No one has the final answer on Gabbert yet. No one. It's so easy to slam a player after a bad first year. It's a hell of a lot harder to look past it and admit that they still could become good.Quote:
Originally Posted by IlluminatusUIUC
Based on...? Having been good in the past isn't a guarantee of future success (Why hello there, Tim Tebow), but the lack of past success is a huge indicator. How many QBs are as mediocre as Gabbert in college and amount to anything in the NFL? If he couldn't get it done against Big XII defenses, NFL defenses are gonna stomp him. And they have. And they will continue to.Quote:
Originally Posted by X-Era
I'm not impressed with Smith or Barkley.
Give me 2012, with 2011 being a close 2nd.
Dumb. The Bills didn't have the option to move up 2 spots.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sell Local Ralph
Please find where I made that claim. I'm not making emphatic statements. Because I know that quite often leads to being wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by IlluminatusUIUC
I didn't say that you did. I was explaining my conclusion.Quote:
Originally Posted by X-Era
Draft a quarterback?
i thought you said cornerback?