Re: Spiller was wide open on the last play for the Bills offense
Look. I'm fairly certain the play is designed for the middle as he threw to. 5 wides, 2 on each side line with one shalow and one deep. The fact that they got the look they wanted, you go with the 1st option, period! Graham made the wrong cut, and that's that. By all accounts, had Graham made the right cut, it'd be an easy TD catch and pitch (SJ seemed to have beaten the double team but that requires a much difficult throw to drop the ball over the two Pats guys and we don't know how close the safeties in the end zone). Going to CJ with 28 ticks left means we may have one more shot (a down and a spike to 4th down). The Graham route had a clear path for Fitz to the endzone. There is really no debate where the ball should go, except, EXCEPT it didn't work. Now all the 2nd hand argument.
Re: Spiller was wide open on the last play for the Bills offense
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jdaltroy5
If Fitz hits Spiller in stride, he's fast enough to easily split two LBs and hit the EZ.
The only LB that even has a shot at him is stopped dead at that point.
I doubt. Remember there are 4 more D players not shown on that picture. I believe the guy who picked off Fitz could come up, and the one of each who doubled SJ and Chandler could come on both side to control the CJ moves as well. I'm not even sure it would be a first down. So you are talking about running & tackling mess, lining up to spike, and facing 4th down.
Those injuries to Jones and Jackson really screwed us up to be hones. We'd have all the running options in place with CJ or Jackson down at the 15 yard line.
Re: Spiller was wide open on the last play for the Bills offense
Spiller was open but he's a checkdown, that's usally open on plays like that. The real error is not throwing to Steve J. Patriots messed up their coverage and he was behind two defenders with the endzone all to himself. Real qb's see that and do what they need to to make that play successful. Fitzpatrick choked, pure and simple. There's no way Brady or even Matt Ryan misses that open receiver. I feel bad for stevie. It's the end of the day with the game on the line and fitz is throwing to a guy who can barely get on the field and not his go to guy or his best weapon Spiller? It's crazy.
Re: Spiller was wide open on the last play for the Bills offense
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coastal
Does the video show the game changing plays Super Mario made?
:popcorn:
No he wasn't sitting on the bench.
Re: Spiller was wide open on the last play for the Bills offense
This is where we miss David Nelson....just sayin'.
Re: Spiller was wide open on the last play for the Bills offense
Is there a snapshot of the same perspective, a few clicks prior to Fitz releasing the ball? I'd like to see the position of the players when he was looking off the safety by TJ.
Re: Spiller was wide open on the last play for the Bills offense
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Wagon Circler
Spiller was open but he's a checkdown, that's usally open on plays like that. The real error is not throwing to Steve J. Patriots messed up their coverage and he was behind two defenders with the endzone all to himself. Real qb's see that and do what they need to to make that play successful. Fitzpatrick choked, pure and simple. There's no way Brady or even Matt Ryan misses that open receiver. I feel bad for stevie. It's the end of the day with the game on the line and fitz is throwing to a guy who can barely get on the field and not his go to guy or his best weapon Spiller? It's crazy.
Here's a link of Stevie on NFLAM implying the exact same thing that I did in my previous post. Games on the line and the ball didn't go to one of our staples.
Re: Spiller was wide open on the last play for the Bills offense
anyone have a screen capture of that last play?
Re: Spiller was wide open on the last play for the Bills offense
I'll take a pic showing how open stevie was in the end zone when I get home
Re: Spiller was wide open on the last play for the Bills offense
At 3:16 in this video you can see that Stevie beats both shallow guys and the safety way too far out of position in order to defend him. Bills win if Fitz makes an accurate throw to him.
This screen capture (pretty bad quality) comes with the ball still in Fitzpatricks hand. Stevie wide open in the blue circle. Other two red circles are open players as well, CJ and I think DJ. So Fitz had 3 open receivers and two covered receivers, one being Chandler and the other Graham. He makes the worst possible decision and throws it to the covered rookie. Every other option would have been better. That's what we are dealing with. And I've made a lot of excuses for Fitz, but he freaked out and choked.
Re: Spiller was wide open on the last play for the Bills offense
At the time of the throw. Jones and Johnson were just about break and both would have been wide open. Spiller was wide open. I don't care if Graham ran the wrong route. Fitzputrid made a terrible decision throwing the ball there. He is useless when it matters and basically useless period if he can't do it at critical times.
Re: Spiller was wide open on the last play for the Bills offense
That's to say Stevie catches the ball and not drops it like he did vs the Steelers.
Re: Spiller was wide open on the last play for the Bills offense
Fitz already said he committed to throwing it to Graham presnap. It sounds myopic, but taking a sack/hit while going to other reads would have ended the game. It is what is.
Re: Spiller was wide open on the last play for the Bills offense
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Oaf
Fitz already said he committed to throwing it to Graham presnap. It sounds myopic, but taking a sack/hit while going to other reads would have ended the game. It is what is.
No it wouldn't. It was second down with 28 seconds left.
Re: Spiller was wide open on the last play for the Bills offense
Re: Spiller was wide open on the last play for the Bills offense
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Wagon Circler
At 3:16 in
this video you can see that Stevie beats both shallow guys and the safety way too far out of position in order to defend him. Bills win if Fitz makes an accurate throw to him.
This screen capture (pretty bad quality) comes with the ball still in Fitzpatricks hand. Stevie wide open in the blue circle. Other two red circles are open players as well, CJ and I think DJ. So Fitz had 3 open receivers and two covered receivers, one being Chandler and the other Graham. He makes the worst possible decision and throws it to the covered rookie. Every other option would have been better. That's what we are dealing with. And I've made a lot of excuses for Fitz, but he freaked out and choked.
The ball is no longer in Fitz's hands in that terrible screen shot, it's basically being intercepted at that point because TJ is behind the DB. That little brown dot is the ball. No one was that open. His two best shots were TJ if the route was ran correctly and CJ. Probably could have thrown it up to Steve but it would've been a tight throw.
Syd1364's pic is the best that's out there and Fitz has just released the ball.
Re: Spiller was wide open on the last play for the Bills offense
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kingJofNYC
The ball is no longer in Fitz's hands in that terrible screen shot, it's basically being intercepted at that point because TJ is behind the DB. That little brown dot is the ball. No one was that open. His two best shots were TJ if the route was ran correctly and CJ. Probably could have thrown it up to Steve but it would've been a tight throw.
Syd1364's pic is the best that's out there and Fitz has just released the ball.
Call your eye doctor and set up an appointment.
Re: Spiller was wide open on the last play for the Bills offense
Steve was not wide open on that play. Fitz might have been able to fit it in on the outside and Steve might have pulled it down, but the safety doesn't leave Johnson until Fitz throws to Graham.
Re: Spiller was wide open on the last play for the Bills offense
The safety was no where near Johnson.
Re: Spiller was wide open on the last play for the Bills offense
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IlluminatusUIUC
Steve was not wide open on that play. Fitz might have been able to fit it in on the outside and Steve might have pulled it down, but the safety doesn't leave Johnson until Fitz throws to Graham.
In NFL terms, he was wide open.