Re: Texas receiver Adonai Mitchell would check many boxes for Bills
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ghz in pittsburgh
Well, Beane has tried to get big guys (not twitch speed traits) on the edge. Epenesa, Rousseau, Basham. No hits so far. Basham is a complete flop. If Chop were able to put up 10 sacks at Penn State, you are talking about a top 5 pick like Von Miller was. As long as the Bills have Josh Allen, we can forget about picking those prospects. Pretty much Beane and his scouting Department have to dig deep for projection and take some gambles. There are guys like Chris Jones dropping to second because off field issues and inconsistent on field performance in college.
I understand taking a risk. I just wouldn’t take it on Chop.
I would rather take it on Latu. He’s a big health risk, but if he does stay healthy he’s going to beast. Whereas Chop has high bust potential.
Jer’Zhan Newton is another DL risk I’d gladly take.
Re: Texas receiver Adonai Mitchell would check many boxes for Bills
Here in Pittsburgh, another example is TJ Watt. Similar size and weight. Steelers got him at pick 30. A late boomer to the point where he's considered a one year wonder. I understand there are others who do not pan out. Again, it's all about dig deep into the guy and have a projection. Is Chop a late, late boomer that will blossom in NFL like Josh Allen? I'll tell you it is easier to take that chance if you are the Chiefs - already won enough that you can stomach such gambles.
Re: Texas receiver Adonai Mitchell would check many boxes for Bills
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ghz in pittsburgh
Here in Pittsburgh, another example is TJ Watt. Similar size and weight. Steelers got him at pick 30. A late boomer to the point where he's considered a one year wonder. I understand there are others who do not pan out. Again, it's all about dig deep into the guy and have a projection. Is Chop a late, late boomer that will blossom in NFL like Josh Allen? I'll tell you it is easier to take that chance if you are the Chiefs - already won enough that you can stomach such gambles.
Risk/reward I’m just an armchair GM obviously but it skews too far towards risk for this guy.
I wish him the best and hope I’m wrong about him (for his sake) and will of course support him if Beane takes him…I just hope I don’t have to.
Re: Texas receiver Adonai Mitchell would check many boxes for Bills
I'm conflicted on Chop Robinson. As a draft pick I would pretty much hate it but as a cool name to have on the team I love it.
Re: Texas receiver Adonai Mitchell would check many boxes for Bills
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Bill Cody
I'm conflicted on Chop Robinson. As a draft pick I would pretty much hate it but as a cool name to have on the team I love it.
Haha. Guess Tomahawk would be hot item if Chop Robinson pans out in NFL. Every time he gets a sack, the whole stadium doing the chop.
Re: Texas receiver Adonai Mitchell would check many boxes for Bills
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Woodman
Receiver Adonai Mitchell would check many boxes for Bills
The Buffalo Bills need a home-run hitter, a receiver who can stress defenses vertically to free up the intermediate routes for tight ends Dalton Kincaid and Dawson Knox and possesses the kind of speed to run by cornerbacks to catch rainbowlike throws from quarterback Josh Allen.
How about Texas’ Adonai Mitchell with the 28th pick?
The Bills’ decision to trade Stefon Diggs to the Houston Texans on April 3 created a massive void in the passing game, as did – to a lesser extent – Gabe Davis signing with Jacksonville in free agency last month. The Bills signed Curtis Samuel, but one receiver and possibly two receivers should be in the offing during the draft (April 25-27).
Lazy box.
Re: Texas receiver Adonai Mitchell would check many boxes for Bills
Questionable press coming out about Mitchell right before the draft gets a side eye.
There are a lot of pass rushers with Day 2 and Day 3 grades that could contribute.
Austin Booker
Jonah Ellis
Jalyx Hunt
Javon Solomon
Zion Tupuola-Fetui
Biggest early boom or bust DE is Darius Robinson.
Re: Texas receiver Adonai Mitchell would check many boxes for Bills
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acehole
Lazy box.
:check: don't need him.
Re: Texas receiver Adonai Mitchell would check many boxes for Bills
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Woodman
:check: don't need him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8UO8Fc_75U
this is a video of every play he was involved in. You sure he's lazy? Looks pretty good to me
Re: Texas receiver Adonai Mitchell would check many boxes for Bills
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Bill Cody
Right. What’s lazy are the arguments against him.
Dude can play, has size, is a good human (missed his daughter so much he switched schools to be closer to her), AND produced big numbers at BOTH Georgia and Texas.
Ya sign me up all day for that kind of “lazy”.
Re: Texas receiver Adonai Mitchell would check many boxes for Bills
I'm out on AD Mitchell based on film and combine. Since my opinion matters greatly to OBD, that means we're not drafting him.
Would reconsider at 60
Re: Texas receiver Adonai Mitchell would check many boxes for Bills
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Oaf
I'm out on AD Mitchell based on film and combine. Since my opinion matters greatly to OBD, that means we're not drafting him.
Would reconsider at 60
Not seeing what you're seeing.
He had a fine combine. 4.34 40 and an athleticism score of 91 (3rd among WR's). He also has very good size at 6'2" 205. Not a chance in hell he makes it to 60
Re: Texas receiver Adonai Mitchell would check many boxes for Bills
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Bill Cody
We draft him I'm a fan until proven wrong.
All Bills all the time.
Re: Texas receiver Adonai Mitchell would check many boxes for Bills
Uninterested blocker. Doesn't run routes at full speed.
Wouldn't make us forget Gabe Davis anytime soon.
Re: Texas receiver Adonai Mitchell would check many boxes for Bills
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sahlensguy
Uninterested blocker. Doesn't run routes at full speed.
Wouldn't make us forget Gabe Davis anytime soon.
Except Gabe Davis was an excellent blocker.
Re: Texas receiver Adonai Mitchell would check many boxes for Bills
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ghz in pittsburgh
Well, Beane has tried to get big guys (not twitch speed traits) on the edge. Epenesa, Rousseau, Basham. No hits so far. Basham is a complete flop. If Chop were able to put up 10 sacks at Penn State, you are talking about a top 5 pick like Von Miller was. As long as the Bills have Josh Allen, we can forget about picking those prospects. Pretty much Beane and his scouting Department have to dig deep for projection and take some gambles. There are guys like Chris Jones dropping to second because off field issues and inconsistent on field performance in college.
I disagree with Rousseau. Our run defense is much much better with him on the field then with him off it. He also is good for a splash play or two a season in the pass defense; and 6-8 sacks or so. He's not a bruce smith, but phil hanson is pretty good too. I say he's a good enough guy to start, sort of the core type of guy which every nfl team is made with but who never really stars. I don't consider him a bust. But he'll never be a star.
Re: Texas receiver Adonai Mitchell would check many boxes for Bills
Well Ingtar,, Rousseau is OK. I don't think it is a bad draft pick, actually a good one. But not a home run, i.e., signs of an elite player after 3 years in the league.
Rousseau's prototype model is a Mario Williams and he has not performed at that level yet. You may say Mario was drafted 1st overall compared to Rousseau. How about Chris Jones who was drafted in the 2nd round? Mario Williams may have a year or two at Chris Jones level, whereas Chris Jones is pretty consistent since year 2 of his NFL career.
The standard is different. Beane is pretty good at not drafting out right busts too often. That in itself means he's a good GM in NFL, considering the bust ratio overall for 1st and 2nd rounders. But to win a superbowl, we need more, like a couple of elite players. He got one so far in Josh Allen. We'll see if Kincaid can get into that category. I do admit there is some luck involved in there as well though.
Re: Texas receiver Adonai Mitchell would check many boxes for Bills
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Bill Cody
Its really about taking plays off on the plays in which he ISN'T involved.
Steve Smith brought this up in one of his vids. He talked about how some coaches will come out and tell WRs that they can coast on plays that aren't designed to go their way.
You could tell it was a bit of a pet peeve with him. I couldn't tell you if Sarkasian is like that, or if in fact AD is taking plays off. Often a guy looks like he's coasting when he's looking to go into an area of a zone, or something.
If you are a scout, or especially a GM, its an issue you can't ignore, but it also might be little to nothing. it is a part of the due diligence you are going to do. It might be as simple as "you can't do that in the NFL" or a quick come to Jesus talk.
I'm sure they've done a good look into his work habits.
But we'll see soon enough.
Re: Texas receiver Adonai Mitchell would check many boxes for Bills
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cookie G
Its really about taking plays off on the plays in which he ISN'T involved.
Steve Smith brought this up in one of his vids. He talked about how some coaches will come out and tell WRs that they can coast on plays that aren't designed to go their way.
You could tell it was a bit of a pet peeve with him. I couldn't tell you if Sarkasian is like that, or if in fact AD is taking plays off. Often a guy looks like he's coasting when he's looking to go into an area of a zone, or something.
If you are a scout, or especially a GM, its an issue you can't ignore, but it also might be little to nothing. it is a part of the due diligence you are going to do. It might be as simple as "you can't do that in the NFL" or a quick come to Jesus talk.
I'm sure they've done a good look into his work habits.
But we'll see soon enough.
There are a bunch of traits that add up to looking like AD is lazy.
Admits to not going 100%
Lazy routes
Uninterested blocker
3.0 YAC
Falls down
Guys amazing in other ways but
Not a 1st round pick.
Re: Texas receiver Adonai Mitchell would check many boxes for Bills
Go defense or OL :idunno:
Go WR in the 2nd.