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Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"
Here's a thread I started on a different site... I was bombed with hate over it.
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In terms of production over the past four years, Mario has been what I would categorize as a player with diminishing returns.
Tackles
2007 - 59
2008 - 53
2009 - 43
2010 - 28
2011 - 11
Sacks
2007 - 14
2008 - 12
2009 - 9
2010 - 8.5
2011 - 5
That doesn't strike me as the kind of guy who takes what he learned from the previous year, and then puts that to
work for him and his team the next. Not to mention... he's coming off a shortened season where he had a torn PECTORAL muscle surgically repaired. So for all you waving the pom-poms at the 'sign Super-Mario' bus, let me ask you this...
WHY?
Im still wondering why... 1 tackle for a million dollars...
can I get a woot woot?!
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Originally Posted by
coastal
Here's a thread I started on a different site... I was bombed with hate over it.
Im still wondering why... 1 tackle for a million dollars...
can I get a woot woot?!
So you were bombed with hate over there, so you came here for some love?
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Stupid thread. He got the 5 in one game, the decrees started when they switched to 3-4, and no one on D did **** today.
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I have a feeling he's the type of guy who has 3 or 4 dominant games during the season then is invisible in the rest
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JoeMama's response is the still the best answer. We needed a pass rush. He was the best available. The Bills have to overpay to get anyone because they've been the worst team in the NFL for almost 15 years.
The NFL is a passing league so good pass rushers are hard to come by.
I was more excited that they were willing to spend that much money, it signalled that they are at least trying. They're still inept, but at least they're trying.
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Originally Posted by
jimmifli
JoeMama's response is the still the best answer. We needed a pass rush. He was the best available. The Bills have to overpay to get anyone because they've been the worst team in the NFL for almost 15 years.
The NFL is a passing league so good pass rushers are hard to come by.
I was more excited that they were willing to spend that much money, it signalled that they are at least trying. They're still inept, but at least they're trying.
I try and you don't give me any credit...
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That money had to go somewhere and we did need a pass rusher.
Everyone in FA always gets overpaid.
Could have spread the money around a little better I guess but at least Ralph just didn't keep it in his bank account.
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I was just happy Ralph finally found his wallet.
In the end, I guess it was nothing more than PR.
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Originally Posted by
jimmifli
JoeMama's response is the still the best answer. We needed a pass rush. He was the best available. The Bills have to overpay to get anyone because they've been the worst team in the NFL for almost 15 years.
The NFL is a passing league so good pass rushers are hard to come by.
I was more excited that they were willing to spend that much money, it signalled that they are at least trying. They're still inept, but at least they're trying.
they tried?
I can try too... doesnt mean Im competent to run an NFL franchise.
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Originally Posted by
SpikedLemonade
I was just happy Ralph finally found his wallet.
In the end, I guess it was nothing more than PR.
He's coming off a pretty serious injury. And there were a lot of three step drops today. The Jets took the pass rush out of the game and we couldn't cover for ****.
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Spending $100 million for this guy was a total waste of money.
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Originally Posted by
coastal
Spending $100 million for this guy was a total waste of money.
Who else would we have spent it on though? Plus he is an upgrade over like Dwan Edwards.
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coastal
they tried?
I can try too... doesnt mean Im competent to run an NFL franchise.
I thought Ralph wasn't trying, wasn't going to spend any money and the Bills would be bad until he died. Turns out they were still trying. So now, we can at least hope to get lucky. That's a big improvement. That's why I was excited.
I still think it was a good signing. We need more good players and we have a ton of cap space. We need a few more big signings like that.
If we aren't going to have a 2-14 season, we need to add more talent to the roster through free agency.
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Originally Posted by
jimmifli
He's coming off a pretty serious injury. And there were a lot of three step drops today. The Jets took the pass rush out of the game and we couldn't cover for ****.
So if I have a mental injury what does that get me with you?
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Was it your ****ing money?? NO! Its one ****ing game jesus christ. Some people are so stupid
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FunTimesYaY!
Who else would we have spent it on though? Plus he is an upgrade over like Dwan Edwards.
hey... we could have paid a quarter of the amount for mincey and got double the production today.
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And you wonder why your not on that other board anymore LOL
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Originally Posted by
jimmifli
I thought Ralph wasn't trying, wasn't going to spend any money and the Bills would be bad until he died. Turns out they were still trying. So now, we can at least hope to get lucky. That's a big improvement. That's why I was excited.
I still think it was a good signing. We need more good players and we have a ton of cap space. We need a few more big signings like that.
If we aren't going to have a 2-14 season, we need to add more talent to the roster through free agency.
he wasnt trying...
it was a desperate and stupid move to bring in a big name.
Ralph needs the sellouts of home games in order to remain profitable. The fans were getting close to rebelling again... so he chucks up the coin on the biggest name out there... regardless of whether or not it was a smart football decision!
you dont see the Ravens, Steelers or niners making such rash moves.
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SquishDaFish
And you wonder why your not on that other board anymore LOL
from what Ive see out here... you are baout the ****tiest poster of the lot.
Here's the tally today.
$1 million = 1 tackle
awesomeness.
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LOL ****tiest poster def goes to you Mr. Brilliant. Your one of those Pathetic fans. Just go follow some other team or Find message board #3 loser
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SquishDaFish
LOL ****tiest poster def goes to you Mr. Brilliant. Your one of those Pathetic fans. Just go follow some other team or Find message board #3 loser
:rofl:
says the guy who thinks just because it isnt my money, my point is irrelevant.
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While I don't totally agree with Coastal's post, I think your logic here is flawed. Just because it isn't his money, doesn't mean that he can't disagree with the decision to sign Williams. When you pay someone what he got paid, you expect them to be a special player.
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SquishDaFish
Was it your ****ing money?? NO! Its one ****ing game jesus christ. Some people are so stupid
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Originally Posted by
coastal
he wasnt trying...
it was a desperate and stupid move to bring in a big name.
Ralph needs the sellouts of home games in order to remain profitable. The fans were getting close to rebelling again... so he chucks up the coin on the biggest name out there... regardless of whether or not it was a smart football decision!
you dont see the Ravens, Steelers or niners making such rash moves.
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from what Ive see out here... you are baout the ****tiest poster of the lot.
Here's the tally today.
$1 million = 1 tackle
awesomeness.
When your team wins, you re-sign your players, you pay them more (because they're worth it) and you don't have the budget to bring in the big names. The 49ers dropped stupid money on Jonas Jennings and Nate Clements, even Takeo's contract was questionable.
I agree with you on the Ravens and Steelers.
But I think you misunderstand me. The Bills are inept, we agree. But this offseason was more than just signing a big name. We re-signed our good players, even the ones that were talking about leaving. And then we we signed two passrushers, one for stupid money and one for a pretty good value. That points to Ralph giving the money required to win. We're still inept so I don't expect to win, but if we get lucky anything is possible, like if we drafted Wilson in the 3rd round.
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gr8slayer
While I don't totally agree with Coastal's post.
What part dont you agree with?
Wouldnt you agree that the NFL is a league of production? It hasnt been there for Mario is 3+ years.
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Originally Posted by
gr8slayer
While I don't totally agree with Coastal's post, I think your logic here is flawed. Just because it isn't his money, doesn't mean that he can't disagree with the decision to sign Williams. When you pay someone what he got paid, you expect them to be a special player.
And its ONLY 1 ****ing Game!! Hes a pathetic poster
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jimmifli
When your team wins, you re-sign your players, you pay them more (because they're worth it) and you don't have the budget to bring in the big names. The 49ers dropped stupid money on Jonas Jennings and Nate Clements, even Takeo's contract was questionable.
I agree with you on the Ravens and Steelers.
But I think you misunderstand me. The Bills are inept, we agree. But this offseason was more than just signing a big name. We re-signed our good players, even the ones that were talking about leaving. And then we we signed two passrushers, one for stupid money and one for a pretty good value. That points to Ralph giving the money required to win. We're still inept so I don't expect to win, but if we get lucky anything is possible, like if we drafted Wilson in the 3rd round.
Anderson was a good signing.
Mario was foolish use of company resources and will hurt this franchise short and longterm.
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SquishDaFish
Hes a pathetic poster
nothing can be further from the truth.
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coastal
Anderson was a good signing.
How did Anderson do today?
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SquishDaFish
Was it your ****ing money?? NO! Its one ****ing game jesus christ. Some people are so stupid
Its not one game. Its not like the Bills are the Pats and had one bad game. This team has been the worst team in the NFL over the past decade.
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Mike
Its not one game. Its not like the Bills are the Pats and had one bad game. This team has been the worst team in the NFL over the past decade.
Its Marios first game with Buffalo bright one
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I feel like you're jumping the gun a bit. I also have a different perspective, as I've followed Williams' career closely. For the better part of his career, he was the only player the opposition had to scheme for on the Texans defense. After his first year, there was no hiding him. My hope was that he would come to Buffalo, and for the first time in his career, be surrounded by some legitimate talent (Dareus, Williams, etc...). I think it's important to remember that for the past two years, he's dealt with injuries that wound up putting him on the I.R. (hernia in 2010, and and pectoral in 2011); didn't do his statistics any favors. Since you're talking strictly statistics, through five weeks last year, he was on pace for the best year of his career (as far as sacks are concerned). Whatever the argument, I think it's fair to say that it's far too early to put a title to any of the off-season additions, or any player for that matter.
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coastal
What part dont you agree with?
Wouldnt you agree that the NFL is a league of production? It hasnt been there for Mario is 3+ years.
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coastal
Anderson was a good signing.
Mario was foolish use of company resources and will hurt this franchise short and longterm.
That entirely depends. To win in a salary cap, you need to get better performance for the dollar than your competition. The Bills spend NOTHING on offense. We have a cheap QB, a cheap #1 WR, no one earning #2 or #3 WR money, Chandler is probably close to fair value or a slight bargain at TE. The line is cheap, and our RB's are fair value.
That means we can overspend on defence.
The strategy has always been to use Chan's scheme's to generate points with cheap players and spend the savings on defence. The problem is Chan's scheme's aren't working and the defence living up to it's price tag. This strategy might hurt the team if we get a real QB that signs a short rookie contract. Otherwise, it's not that bad. By the time we'll be paying our next QB his second contract, Mario's deal will look cheap.
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Saw an interview with Mario after the game. He said he was punched in the face over 20 times by Howard. Uppercuts to the chin. He said something to refs, they did nothing. He said "I don't know if that's allowed in the new CBA, but I don't think so".... Other than he was pretty pissed at his and the defense overall performance.
I'm sure he will be fined for his comments about the "lack" of officiating
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CoolBreeze
Saw an interview with Mario after the game. He said he was punched in the face over 20 times by Howard. Uppercuts to the chin. He said something to refs, they did nothing. He said "I don't know if that's allowed in the new CBA, but I don't think so".... Other than he was pretty pissed at his and the defense overall performance.
I'm sure he will be fined for his comments about the "lack" of officiating
He's whining because he got punched in the mouth?
Really?
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Maybe his wife will kiss his boo-boos
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Man I would like to see you play football Coast. See what you say then LOL
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jimmifli
He's coming off a pretty serious injury. And there were a lot of three step drops today. The Jets took the pass rush out of the game and we couldn't cover for ****.
Yeah, and of course our staff was completely surprised that the Jets would actually attempt to gameplan around neutralizing the effectiveness of our front four.
Gee, who would've thunk it?
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SquishDaFish
Man I would like to see you play football Coast. See what you say then LOL
The guys being paid how much to play?? He should have been punching someone in the mouth!
Be a man step up to the plate and take that ***** down ...
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I will wait one more week before I decide how this signing worked out.
It Mario has three sacks next week, do we average out the two, or do we just completely over-react and say it was the best signing ever?
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YardRat
Yeah, and of course our staff was completely surprised that the Jets would actually attempt to gameplan around neutralizing the effectiveness of our front four.
Gee, who would've thunk it?
I doubt they were surprised. But Wannstache doesn't blitz, our LBs can't cover and our secondary sucked. So, what was he supposed to do? Play press coverage? Hmm, you know...
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coastal
He's whining because he got punched in the mouth?
Really?
Why did you say that signing Anderson was a good signing and Mario wasn't?
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Joe Fo Sho
Why did you say that signing Anderson was a good signing and Mario wasn't?
Because I'm smart.
Next.
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The OP is annoying as ****
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coastal
Because I'm smart.
Next.
Oh, ok. Well I'll just keep not giving a **** about your opinion then.
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coastal
Here's a thread I started on a different site... I was bombed with hate over it.
Im still wondering why... 1 tackle for a million dollars...
can I get a woot woot?!
Pretty tough for him to get sacks when the Bills DB's are leaving receivers wide open all game long. Pick a name in our secondary that played who didn't get burned today. Just saying. They played like 6th round rookies trying to win a spot on a roster. LB's weren't much help either. That's the trick to the 4-3 defense, everything must work well, or nothing does.
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mrbojanglezs
The OP is annoying as ****
Hard truths usually are.
My alternative to Mario was Jabaal Sheard.
He only had one tackle today too.
I don't think it cost a million dollars though.
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Originally Posted by
coastal
he wasnt trying...
it was a desperate and stupid move to bring in a big name.
Ralph needs the sellouts of home games in order to remain profitable. The fans were getting close to rebelling again... so he chucks up the coin on the biggest name out there... regardless of whether or not it was a smart football decision!
you dont see the Ravens, Steelers or niners making such rash moves.
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from what Ive see out here... you are baout the ****tiest poster of the lot.
Here's the tally today.
$1 million = 1 tackle
awesomeness.
ummmmm, do you happen to see who plays defense for them?
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BuffaloWingEater
ummmmm, do you happen to see who plays defense for them?
Yes and this backs into my overall point...
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coastal
Yes and this backs into my overall point...
their d's are loaded with all pro's. are team is loaded with kickers.
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BuffaloWingEater
their d's are loaded with all pro's. are team is loaded with kickers.
Thus the need to make a "big splash" on players that can supposedly deliver.
Well the problem isn't the players...
... It's the organization that's broken.
And I'm done.
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coastal
Thus the need to make a "big splash" on players that can supposedly deliver.
Well the problem isn't the players...
... It's the organization that's broken.
And I'm done.
It has been broken for over 50 years except for a few years when Ralph got lucky with Polian.