-
Wow, where did Miami become improved on offense?
I think it's way too early to bash any team, including the phins, but why is Miami going to be much improved when realistically they are in the midst of rebuilding?
How does the fact that no player on the O-line will be returning to their previous position not impact the play of the offense?
Vernon Carey is moving from RT to LT, LJ Shelton is moving to RT, Hadnof is moving to RG. You are going with a rookie at center in Satele and are threatening to start another rookie at LG. What am I missing here?
Add the fact that you have a new coaching staff, new QB, new skill players, and few players returning, how are you better?
-
Re: Wow, where did Miami become improved on offense?
Because they got Green.
Doesn't matter. They still will have the 4th best offense in the AFC East. Only thing they have going for them is that they have a aging good defense that should keep them in some games this year.
-
Re: Wow, where did Miami become improved on offense?
This is not a Miami bashing thread!!!! I read two threads today saying "playoffs" and "good offense" and I want to know how and why.
-
Re: Wow, where did Miami become improved on offense?
I can't wait to pound the minnows again this year. It is gonna be ugly for them, billieve me! I don't see them winning more than six games, that's if they're lucky. Miami sucks.
-
Re: Wow, where did Miami become improved on offense?
Quote:
Originally Posted by HHURRICANE
This is not a Miami bashing thread!!!! I read two threads today saying "playoffs" and "good offense" and I want to know how and why.
I didn't bash Miami.
No playoff's, no good offense.
No playoff's because their offense is not very good.
-
Re: Wow, where did Miami become improved on offense?
The playoffs thread was what Cam Cameron said, and I think Miami does have a good offense, they got three key peices in place in Brown, Green, and Chambers, if the Oline shapes up and a 2nd receiving threat emerges they will challgenge the Jets for 2nd best in the division.
-
Re: Wow, where did Miami become improved on offense?
I'm not saying they are going to be good but I wouldn't take anyone lightly . See the jets from last year.
-
Re: Wow, where did Miami become improved on offense?
Quote:
Originally Posted by DraftBoy
The playoffs thread was what Cam Cameron said, and I think Miami does have a good offense, they got three key peices in place in Brown, Green, and Chambers, if the Oline shapes up and a 2nd receiving threat emerges they will challgenge the Jets for 2nd best in the division.
a lot of if's have to happen just like the if's of the bills were to happen, there would be a 3 way dogfight for 2nd place in the AFCE.
-
Re: Wow, where did Miami become improved on offense?
Quote:
Originally Posted by DraftBoy
The playoffs thread was what Cam Cameron said, and I think Miami does have a good offense, they got three key peices in place in Brown, Green, and Chambers
I think you are giving their offense too muh credit. Ronnie Brown hasn't done anything special in the NFL, Green is old and coming to a new team which doesn't work out very often for QBs, and Chambers has only had 1 out of 6 season with over 1000 yards. And that's the season he got 200+ yards on the Bills in 1 game.
-
Re: Wow, where did Miami become improved on offense?
Quote:
Originally Posted by TacklingDummy
Because they got Green.
Doesn't matter. They still will have the 4th best offense in the AFC East. Only thing they have going for them is that they have a aging good defense that should keep them in some games this year.
Yes, it seems like Trent green all of a sudden made them a contender. Trent Green, on a mature team, would be a solid addition. I think sticking him behind that line with Ronnie Brown is going to be a struggle. We watched Drew Bledsoe struggle mightily in the same situation with a better RB in Travis Henry.
-
Re: Wow, where did Miami become improved on offense?
the two most important pieces of any offense are ol and qb, in that order
the ol is in major transition under a new coaching staff. it will be virtually impossible for them to really gel until at the very earliest the last half of the season. thats a bad sign
green used to be awesome but when he returned after his injury he just wasnt the same guy. he looked slow, out of synch, and often befuddled. its possible he could bounce back but its far from a sure thing. on top of that hes a statue and hes likely going to be running for his life far more often than he ever did behind that star studded line he played for in kc. another bad sign
their two marquee offensive players are defenlly good but you cant run through walls and you cant catch a ball cradled in the stomach of a qb whose face is eating cuban sod
anything can happen but id expect the miami o to be bottom third this year
so rules judge meathead so it shall be
-
Re: Wow, where did Miami become improved on offense?
Quote:
Originally Posted by TacklingDummy
I didn't bash Miami.
No playoff's, no good offense.
No playoff's because their offense is not very good.
That wasn't directed towards you!!! Just in general.
-
Re: Wow, where did Miami become improved on offense?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Meathead
the two most important pieces of any offense are ol and qb, in that order
the ol is in major transition under a new coaching staff. it will be virtually impossible for them to really gel until at the very earliest the last half of the season. thats a bad sign
green used to be awesome but when he returned after his injury he just wasnt the same guy. he looked slow, out of synch, and often befuddled. its possible he could bounce back but its far from a sure thing. on top of that hes a statue and hes likely going to be running for his life far more often than he ever did behind that star studded line he played for in kc. another bad sign
their two marquee offensive players are defenlly good but you cant run through walls and you cant catch a ball cradled in the stomach of a qb whose face is eating cuban sod
anything can happen but id expect the miami o to be bottom third this year
so rules judge meathead so it shall be
I think Trent Green took one of the most vicious hits that I have ever seen. I'm pretty sure that had an effect on his play so I'm more apt to take a wait and see attitude.
I'm 100% in agreement with you on their o-line. After watching Buffalo miss the playoffs 2 years in a row with the #2 ranked D, I think we all have learned the importance of a solid O-line. We benefitted greatly when we made our changes after the bye with the OL. Miami would have to catch lightening in a bottle if they gel'd half way through the season with 2 rookies.
-
Re: Wow, where did Miami become improved on offense?
Green's best days are behind him, especially after a concussion as severe as the one he had. Ronnie Brown has not done enough to scare me yet. For example, when I saw Maroney in a preseason game last year I said, "Oh Sugar, we have to play him twice a year for the next five plus years?". Ronnie Brown doesn't make me feel that way. Miami will be the cellar dwellers again. I really think people are discounting the Bills far too much. While we may struggle against the run, I think this team is going to score a lot and win those close games we lost last year. Pats, Bills, Jets, Phins.
-
Re: Wow, where did Miami become improved on offense?
Quote:
Originally Posted by HHURRICANE
I think it's way too early to bash any team, including the phins, but why is Miami going to be much improved when realistically they are in the midst of rebuilding?
How does the fact that no player on the O-line will be returning to their previous position not impact the play of the offense?
Vernon Carey is moving from RT to LT, LJ Shelton is moving to RT, Hadnof is moving to RG. You are going with a rookie at center in Satele and are threatening to start another rookie at LG. What am I missing here?
Add the fact that you have a new coaching staff, new QB, new skill players, and few players returning, how are you better?
How do you consider the Bills 28th overall Offense with no key injuries, better then Miami's 20th overall offense, with their backup QB who was with the team all of 6 months and had very few snaps with the first team in camp? I mean seriously, you consider the Bills offense better, but Miami gave up less sacks with Oline injuries then a healthy Bills Oline. Miami has a new HC/OC yes, but they also have plenty of experience in the coaching staff with HC experience in Dom Capers.
Cam won't have anything to do with the Defense that will be Doms job so all Cam has to do is what he's been doing for the last few years, coach the offense. You also act as if changing HC is a guarantee a teams will not succeed. I think thats been proven wrong many times over. New HC's and schemes can be very successful in their first year. To be honest I think the reason the Dolphins are better on offense is because the only thing Miami has been missing to succeed on offense has been playcalling. Maimi has been way to conservative over the past 8 years, we have always played things close to the vest and let our Defense win games.
The one year we had Scott Linehan we opened up the offense and we won our last six games. Chris Chambers made the probowl and Miami had some balance. Cam is the same verticle open things up kinda coach. Maimi will stretch the field vertically that will open up the rushing lanes and Miami will have more options. All Miami needs is a top 15 offense to make the playoffs, if we can finish 20th overall with what we had last year there is no reason we can't imporve 5 spots with what we have now.
-
Re: Wow, where did Miami become improved on offense?
I think you guys are underestimating Green and Brown's games. Ronnie Brown started really slow last year but the came on towards the end of the season. The Oline is also not as changed as you make it out to be. Moving players around is one thing, but adding new players is completely different. I have little doubt that Carey will do well at LT (similar to Peters move from RT to LT that was pretty seamless). The rookie OC will need to prove himself, but every other part of that line has shown good ability.
-
Re: Wow, where did Miami become improved on offense?
Quote:
Originally Posted by feelthepain
How do you consider the Bills 28th overall Offense with no key injuries
4th time I had to say this. The Bills offense was 30th, not 28th.
-
Re: Wow, where did Miami become improved on offense?
Quote:
Originally Posted by HHURRICANE
You are going with a rookie at center in Satele and are threatening to start another rookie at LG. What am I missing here?
you're right. the only team in the nfl that ever has rookies come in and make their team better is the bills.
your 2nd round pick is gonna make you better at LB but our 2nd round pick isn't gonna make us better on the o line? how does that work?
players aside, though, you wanna know how miami became a better offense? mike mularkey is no longer running it. that's how.
-
Re: Wow, where did Miami become improved on offense?
Quote:
Originally Posted by TacklingDummy
4th time I had to say this. The Bills offense was 30th, not 28th.
:lmao: :goodpost: :fab: :lmao:
-
Re: Wow, where did Miami become improved on offense?
Quote:
Originally Posted by HHURRICANE
You are going with a rookie at center in Satele and are threatening to start another rookie at LG. What am I missing here?
Didn't the Jets start a rookie C, LT and have a rookie HC last year with a QB coming off an injury? And how'd they do??
-
Re: Wow, where did Miami become improved on offense?
Quote:
Originally Posted by thecoordinator
you're right. the only team in the nfl that ever has rookies come in and make their team better is the bills.
your 2nd round pick is gonna make you better at LB but our 2nd round pick isn't gonna make us better on the o line? how does that work?
players aside, though, you wanna know how miami became a better offense? mike mularkey is no longer running it. that's how.
Obviously you don't read my posts because you would know that I don't think Poz will be an immediate impact for this team.
On the MM comment you are 100% right and I didn't take that into consideration so you get kudos from me on that one!!
I am definately missing MM as your coordinator.
-
Re: Wow, where did Miami become improved on offense?
Quote:
Originally Posted by thecoordinator
you're right. the only team in the nfl that ever has rookies come in and make their team better is the bills.
your 2nd round pick is gonna make you better at LB but our 2nd round pick isn't gonna make us better on the o line? how does that work?
players aside, though, you wanna know how miami became a better offense? mike mularkey is no longer running it. that's how.
Good post, and good points. ESPECIALLY about the 2nd round draft picks.
Having said that, I think Buffalo is better than Miami this year if for no other reason that Miami is basically starting over.
-
Re: Wow, where did Miami become improved on offense?
Quote:
Originally Posted by feelthepain
Didn't the Jets start a rookie C, LT and have a rookie HC last year with a QB coming off an injury? And how'd they do??
I have seen the Jets comparison at nauseum. The Jets were returing a maturer team and D'Brick was a little better bet than Satele will be.
LJ Shelton and 2 rookies should scare you enough.
-
Re: Wow, where did Miami become improved on offense?
Quote:
Originally Posted by DraftBoy
I think you guys are underestimating Green and Brown's games. Ronnie Brown started really slow last year but the came on towards the end of the season. The Oline is also not as changed as you make it out to be. Moving players around is one thing, but adding new players is completely different. I have little doubt that Carey will do well at LT (similar to Peters move from RT to LT that was pretty seamless). The rookie OC will need to prove himself, but every other part of that line has shown good ability.
Personally, I like Green. The jury is still out on Brown. But one thing is clear in my book. For either of them to do anything will mean that the Oline can allow them to - and right now, I just don't see that...
-
Re: Wow, where did Miami become improved on offense?
Quote:
Originally Posted by feelthepain
How do you consider the Bills 28th overall Offense with no key injuries, better then Miami's 20th overall offense, with their backup QB who was with the team all of 6 months and had very few snaps with the first team in camp? I mean seriously, you consider the Bills offense better, but Miami gave up less sacks with Oline injuries then a healthy Bills Oline. Miami has a new HC/OC yes, but they also have plenty of experience in the coaching staff with HC experience in Dom Capers.
Cam won't have anything to do with the Defense that will be Doms job so all Cam has to do is what he's been doing for the last few years, coach the offense. You also act as if changing HC is a guarantee a teams will not succeed. I think thats been proven wrong many times over. New HC's and schemes can be very successful in their first year. To be honest I think the reason the Dolphins are better on offense is because the only thing Miami has been missing to succeed on offense has been playcalling. Maimi has been way to conservative over the past 8 years, we have always played things close to the vest and let our Defense win games.
The one year we had Scott Linehan we opened up the offense and we won our last six games. Chris Chambers made the probowl and Miami had some balance. Cam is the same verticle open things up kinda coach. Maimi will stretch the field vertically that will open up the rushing lanes and Miami will have more options. All Miami needs is a top 15 offense to make the playoffs, if we can finish 20th overall with what we had last year there is no reason we can't imporve 5 spots with what we have now.
The problem with stretching the field vertically, is that you need a good Oline to hold while the play develops. Right now, I don't see your Oline being able to do that. With a real Oline, your team will be alot better though...although I guess you could say that about any team...
-
Re: Wow, where did Miami become improved on offense?
Quote:
Originally Posted by patmoran2006
Good post, and good points. ESPECIALLY about the 2nd round draft picks.
Having said that, I think Buffalo is better than Miami this year if for no other reason that Miami is basically starting over.
We are?
-
Re: Wow, where did Miami become improved on offense?
I have no idea how people think the Dols will be better on offense. When you lose your top-2 receivers from the year before, have a re-shuffled O-line that wasn't that good to begin with, add an aging QB whose better days are behind him, and have a new offensive scheme, it's NOT a recipe for instant success.
-
Re: Wow, where did Miami become improved on offense?
Quote:
Originally Posted by feelthepain
We are?
Yes, you won 6 games last year. You do realize that?
-
Re: Wow, where did Miami become improved on offense?
Quote:
Originally Posted by HHURRICANE
I have seen the Jets comparison at nauseum. The Jets were returing a maturer team and D'Brick was a little better bet than Satele will be.
LJ Shelton and 2 rookies should scare you enough.
1) Miami has a mature Defense, and you use that as an excuse for Miami falling off on Defense, but it's a plus for the Jets....sure!
2)How do you know D'Brick is a little better bet?
3) LJ Shelton played very well for us last year, he will be the RT not LT seems to me you are hoping it's a problem more then anything.
Everything you've posted is pure speculation, no different then your opinion of the Bills offense going into 07.
-
Re: Wow, where did Miami become improved on offense?
Quote:
Originally Posted by patmoran2006
Having said that, I think Buffalo is better than Miami this year if for no other reason that Miami is basically starting over.
I think Miami will have a better year than Buffalo just because Miami will have the better defense.
As of right now both of their offense's are not very good.
-
Re: Wow, where did Miami become improved on offense?
Quote:
Originally Posted by feelthepain
1)
2)How do you know D'Brick is a little better bet?
Maybe because he was the 4th overall pick? Usually you expect the 4th overall pick to start?
-
Re: Wow, where did Miami become improved on offense?
Quote:
Originally Posted by HHURRICANE
Maybe because he was the 4th overall pick? Usually you expect the 4th overall pick to start?
That's a stupid argument, just let them play before you try to predict what will be.
-
Re: Wow, where did Miami become improved on offense?
Quote:
Originally Posted by HHURRICANE
Yes, you won 6 games last year. You do realize that?
With Joey Harrington and MM.....Yes I do, you do realize Joey is no longer in Miami and MM is the TE coach, don't you?
-
Re: Wow, where did Miami become improved on offense?
The Fins spent their first 4 draft picks on Offense with Ginn/Booker/Satele all expected to contribute year 1 and they hired the Offensive coordinator from the team with the #1 Offense in the league despite starting a first year QB and below average recievers and churned out the MVP of the league L.T....Im certainly not going to say its a sure fire bet the O gets better but I think you can agree it COULD get better or obviously if the O- Line takes a huge dump it could get worse..but to act like there is NO reason to be optomistic for the Phins O sounds like wishfull Bills fan thinking to me.
-
Re: Wow, where did Miami become improved on offense?
Quote:
Originally Posted by feelthepain
With Joey Harrington and MM.....Yes I do, you do realize Joey is no longer in Miami and MM is the TE coach, don't you?
You also had no O-line and are returning an even worse patchwork group this year, with a brand new coaching staff and a new system. Do you expect their talent to improve on the O-line on it's own or because they have no experience under the new system?
-
Re: Wow, where did Miami become improved on offense?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Skooby
You also had no O-line and are returning an even worse patchwork group this year, with a brand new coaching staff and a new system. Do you expect their talent to improve on the O-line on it's own or because they have no experience under the new system?
Ummm and your Oline did what last year? Their performance last year doesn't seem to hinder your enthusiasm this year! As far as experience under the new system, it's similar to what we did in 05 under Scott Linehan, so they have some experience in what Cam wants to do.
-
Re: Wow, where did Miami become improved on offense?
Quote:
Originally Posted by feelthepain
Ummm and your Oline did what last year? Their performance last year doesn't seem to hinder your enthusiasm this year! As far as experience under the new system, it's similar to what we did in 05 under Scott Linehan, so they have some experience in what Cam wants to do.
Dude, I have gone through the O-line improvements in detail, since our bye, and the improvements that we have made through FA, etc. more than once with you.
You act like it's never been discussed. You know our line is better so deal with it or explain, in detail why it isn't.
Heck, you don't even know who your starting line is yet.
-
Re: Wow, where did Miami become improved on offense?
Quote:
Originally Posted by feelthepain
We are?
Do you not have a new head coach and many new other coaches?
Do you not have a brand new QB?
Do you even know who your starting OL is going to be?
Is your coach not going to implement a new offense to learn?
That's not starting over? You are naive if you think otherwise.
-
Re: Wow, where did Miami become improved on offense?
Comparing the Jets to the Dolphins is laughable.
The Jets 3 seasons ago were a playoff team that was a KICKER away from advancing in the playoffs. Which is why they drafted Nugent. Then 2 years ago they sucked because they lost their QB. Most teams will suck when they lose their QB. Then last year they were healthy so they were good again. It's not hard to see that coming or happening when you factor everything in.
Miami is a completely different team now than they were even last season, let alone a few seasons ago. So how anyone can compare them is beyond me.
-
Re: Wow, where did Miami become improved on offense?
Quote:
Originally Posted by HHURRICANE
Dude, I have gone through the O-line improvements in detail, since our bye, and the improvements that we have made through FA, etc. more than once with you.
You act like it's never been discussed. You know our line is better so deal with it or explain, in detail why it isn't.
Heck, you don't even know who your starting line is yet.
Dude Miami's Oline also imporved and I don't care how you spin it, you had the 27th best rushing attack and 28th best passing attack. You also only beat one team with a winning record last year, those are a direct result of the Bills Oline and QB play considering they finished 30th overall last year on offense last year that's what they are.
So please tell me why I think the Dolphins Oline that lead the 13th best passing game and 23 best rushing game gave up 7 less sacks behgind Joey Harrington and MM is worse then Buffalos? You're in denial, the Dolphins Oline and the Bills Oline both have to prove themselves, but there is no chance in hell the Bills Oline is better then Miami's.
-
Re: Wow, where did Miami become improved on offense?
Quote:
Originally Posted by FunTimesYaY!
Comparing the Jets to the Dolphins is laughable.
The Jets 3 seasons ago were a playoff team that was a KICKER away from advancing in the playoffs. Which is why they drafted Nugent. Then 2 years ago they sucked because they lost their QB. Most teams will suck when they lose their QB. Then last year they were healthy so they were good again. It's not hard to see that coming or happening when you factor everything in.
Miami is a completely different team now than they were even last season, let alone a few seasons ago. So how anyone can compare them is beyond me.
4 seasons ago the Dolphins were 10-6, 2 seasons ago were were 9-7. The Only difference in Miami this year and last year is a better OC, more speed on offense and we got rid of players that weren't contributing. BTW when is the last time the Jets had a top 5 defense? The closest they've been was in 03 when they were 7th, but they also had balance with a good offense, something Miami could very well have this year.
-
Re: Wow, where did Miami become improved on offense?
Quote:
Originally Posted by feelthepain
With Joey Harrington and MM.....Yes I do, you do realize Joey is no longer in Miami and MM is the TE coach, don't you?
You forgot .....
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Dear Daunte:
This is just one fans opinion, but keep your head up bro. Not everyone agrees with the way the Dolphins handled you and your situation. I for one do not feel much pride in this team with this situation, I think it was classless the way it was handled and I think you deserve better, all players that have the love and respect of their teammates desreve better and you had that with this team.
I hope your next stop is a good one and you return to form. You deserve it because of the hard work and the hart you've shown since this injury. I also want to thank you for wanting to help this team succeed and wanting to be a Dolphin. Even though you came back to soon and that decision probably cost you your future in Miami, I know you did so because you're a competitor and you want to succeed as much as any player on this team, including the pressure to win you faced in you decisions.
I'll root for you wherever you land, I think there are some serious flaws in NFL circles and sometimes the good guy's lose. I also have no problem with you forcing your release, there has to be some sorta of consequence for the treatment you've endored the last few months since the new coaching staff arrived and you aren't the only player to suffer such poor treatment around the league. I sat and watched Cam Cameron state with my own eyes and ears he wouldn't evaluate any player till they were a 100%, he obviously didn't mean you cause he obviously never intented on giving you that chance, even though the conversation at the time was about you.
I still love my team, but I just wanted you to know that not everything that happens with this team is something I'm proud to be a part of or watch.
Just like when players do things wrong or make mistakes and the organization feels the need to seperate themselves and their actions or intentions from a players, I feel the need to do the same with this team at this time. I care more about the players then some individuals within the FO and more specifically the coaching staff at this point in time.
Stay strong Bro and thanks again for the effort, you're a class act.
FTP.
:roflmao:
:limp:
http://finheaven.com/boardvb2/showthread.php?t=199590
-
Re: Wow, where did Miami become improved on offense?
Quote:
Originally Posted by justasportsfan
You forgot .....
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Dear Daunte:
This is just one fans opinion, but keep your head up bro. Not everyone agrees with the way the Dolphins handled you and your situation. I for one do not feel much pride in this team with this situation, I think it was classless the way it was handled and I think you deserve better, all players that have the love and respect of their teammates desreve better and you had that with this team.
I hope your next stop is a good one and you return to form. You deserve it because of the hard work and the hart you've shown since this injury. I also want to thank you for wanting to help this team succeed and wanting to be a Dolphin. Even though you came back to soon and that decision probably cost you your future in Miami, I know you did so because you're a competitor and you want to succeed as much as any player on this team, including the pressure to win you faced in you decisions.
I'll root for you wherever you land, I think there are some serious flaws in NFL circles and sometimes the good guy's lose. I also have no problem with you forcing your release, there has to be some sorta of consequence for the treatment you've endored the last few months since the new coaching staff arrived and you aren't the only player to suffer such poor treatment around the league. I sat and watched Cam Cameron state with my own eyes and ears he wouldn't evaluate any player till they were a 100%, he obviously didn't mean you cause he obviously never intented on giving you that chance, even though the conversation at the time was about you.
I still love my team, but I just wanted you to know that not everything that happens with this team is something I'm proud to be a part of or watch.
Just like when players do things wrong or make mistakes and the organization feels the need to seperate themselves and their actions or intentions from a players, I feel the need to do the same with this team at this time. I care more about the players then some individuals within the FO and more specifically the coaching staff at this point in time.
Stay strong Bro and thanks again for the effort, you're a class act.
FTP.
:roflmao:
:limp:
http://finheaven.com/boardvb2/showthread.php?t=199590
Now thats funny. I wonder if FTP still snuggles with his Daunte blankie at night.
-
Re: Wow, where did Miami become improved on offense?
Just like anyone here, all I can do is speculate, no one here knows the future any more than anyone else. At this point assumptions can be made positive or negative, and I welcome both. I've been wrong my fair share of times, these are just my personal opinion or my OBJECTIVE ASSUMPTIONS:
I wouldn't completely blame Green's performance 100% due to the concussion. Green is an air it out QB, fast paced type of offense. During the time he was gone, Edwards moved the offense to a slower power football relying on the defense more so compared to the past. I really don't think the new change in climate favored Green at all. IMO the style and enviroment really changed and Green wasn't a part of that offensive picture at that point anymore.
As far as the staff, there is still carryover from the last some years, as well as a important reunion with Cameron and Houck. Both can get completely on the same page and possibly reinvent a line like they did the year after the Chargers went 4-12, having success the year after. I trust their opinions a bit more than anyone on here, no offense. One of the great things about the o-line is that the oldest player is 30. Once the line can come together, they can potentially be good for a long time.
Obviously Tony Gonzalez and Antonio Gates didn't come with Cameron and Green. At this point there is a question mark with David Martin, he's flashed some good play, but injuries have prevented him from even being mentioned in any upper echelon of TEs. A good sign is that Cameron's offense favors the TE and Green has worked well with TEs in the past, and from mini camp reports he's already started to develop a positive rapport with Martin. We'll see what happens when they get in the pads.
Just like Gates, Tomlinson didn't make the flight either with Cameron. Be forewarned, it will be hard no to pull the Mularkey card when defending any positive changes to the Miami offense. As much as he liked his trick plays, Mularkey didn't seem to know what to do with Brown. Of any position, I'm really excited to see what kind of output Cameron can get out of Brown. I think the biggest thing Mularkey failed to do was utilize Brown's receiving skills. From what I've been reading it seems like Cameron will correct this. One of my favorite Brown plays (my avatar is from the game) was the catch out of the backfield when Brown hurdled the Bills defender on his way to his huge TD. Don't forget that Brown was also one of the few RBs last year that had an average of 4.4 yards and also was able to get more than 1,000 yards w/o playing a complete season, behind a suspect line, and via the playcalling of Mularkey.
I think the best thing Chambers needs is something he's hardly ever had during his porfessional career: a steady QB and a steady offense. At least he's shown that he's a team player by being able to adapt to any conditions, lol. Another positive I've heard about Cameron is that he's really good at getting the best of his players and put them in conditions that favor them. I've read that Cameron is going to move him around a lot, which seemed to be onbe of the best factors when he had his Pro Bowl year. I'm also curious to see what Hagan will do with a year under his belt. I think Hagan had some growing pains, but my gut is telling me to choose Hagan for the darkhorse player on offense. Hakim should provide speed until Ginn is able to mature into the position. As far as Ginn is concerned, why rush things. Since he was done with his committments to OSU he was able to practive with the team. Even at 90% Ginn was reminding people how fast he is during practice, seems like he's on the road to recovery. I think Cameron is making a good choice in using Ginn for ST and developing Ginn into the offense as Ginn matures. Outside of ST I envision Ginn to be used in special plays on the offense depending on the situation.
Who knows if Miami's offense is going to the #32 rated offense or the #3, but I can't wait to see what happens since Miami now has an offensive minded coach. It may not happen this year, but whenever it does happen it will be fun for this fan.
-
Re: Wow, where did Miami become improved on offense?
Quote:
Originally Posted by !Papacrunk!
Just like anyone here, all I can do is speculate, no one here knows the future any more than anyone else. At this point assumptions can be made positive or negative, and I welcome both.
It may not happen this year, but whenever it does happen it will be fun for this fan.
I believe that Miami is exactly where Buffalo was a year ago. You guys are rebuilding and fixing the mistakes leftover from the previous regime. I think it starts with the OL and you folks will have some growing pains there.
-
Re: Wow, where did Miami become improved on offense?
Quote:
Originally Posted by !Papacrunk!
Who knows if Miami's offense is going to the #32 rated offense or the #3, but I can't wait to see what happens since Miami now has an offensive minded coach. It may not happen this year, but whenever it does happen it will be fun for this fan.
I can accept that Miami's offense may be good in the future, but this year should be a wash.
-
Re: Wow, where did Miami become improved on offense?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Goobylal
I can accept that Miami's offense may be good in the future, but this year should be a wash.
I disagree with this... I think Miami will have a very good offense this season.
I have read all the posts in this thread and there seems that most believe that the OL will be the downfall of Miami this year. And this is based on the moves and the rookies brought in.
I have seen 1 post that even mentioned Houck. This will be his second year in Miami. The moves on the OL is his work. We all know what he did in San Diego and how he turned one of the worst OLs in the league to a very dominating line in 2 years... And it was then as it is now... He made changes in positions, rotating players from one to the other... He added a couple of rookies in the mix as well.
I seriously think that Miami is going to be in the hunt this year...
-
Re: Wow, where did Miami become improved on offense?
Quote:
Originally Posted by FINintheMOON
I disagree with this... I think Miami will have a very good offense this season.
I have read all the posts in this thread and there seems that most believe that the OL will be the downfall of Miami this year. And this is based on the moves and the rookies brought in.
I have seen 1 post that even mentioned Houck. This will be his second year in Miami. The moves on the OL is his work. We all know what he did in San Diego and how he turned one of the worst OLs in the league to a very dominating line in 2 years... And it was then as it is now... He made changes in positions, rotating players from one to the other... He added a couple of rookies in the mix as well.
I seriously think that Miami is going to be in the hunt this year...
I believe it's his 3rd year. Saban signed him during Saban's 1st year.
It's great to be enthusiastic, but in June it's too early to say a team will suck or be in any kind of hunt. Wayyyyy tooo early.
-
Re: Wow, where did Miami become improved on offense?
It's his 3rd year. And why didn't Houck, a guy who the Dolphins paid a ton of money to get him from SD thus they valued his input, change the lineup LAST year by putting Carey at LT, Shelton at RT, and Hadnot at RG, after the bye like the Bills did?
To me the moves on the O-line are being made because they realize that Carey is their best O-lineman and want to put him at the most important position. But going from RT to LT is not an easy feat. And Shelton proved he's a scrub at any OT position, while with the Cardinals. Hadnot could be a good RG but he seemed to play well at center so why move him? And rookies take time to adjust to their roles.
Again Green won't be playing behind the Chefs' pre-2006 O-line, an O-line which featured several Pro Bowlers. He also won't be handing-off to Priest Holmes or Larry Johnson, or throwing to Tony Gonzalez. And Chambers is their only real threat at WR (the jury is still out on Ginn), but he's been largely inconsistent. And they'll be playing in a new scheme.
As I said, I could see Miami's ofense being good in a year or so. But then next year, will Green still be starting and/or will Beck be ready to take over?
-
Re: Wow, where did Miami become improved on offense?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bulldog
Now thats funny. I wonder if FTP still snuggles with his Daunte blankie at night.
that's the gayest thing I've ever read on a football board.
"crying? there's no crying in baseball , but there sure is writing love letters to your mancrush in football as far as the dolphins are concerned"