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I have a lot of respect for Chan.
He may be one step above where he should be. He may be making some game day mistakes, but the simple fact is the guy is working his ass off. We took a Superbowl contender into the 4th quarter on the road with a decent shot at winning the game.
Chan Gailey isn't a bum... in fact, give him a Tom Brady and people would be calling him an offensive genius.
Sure... he's not the best on the planet but his greatest weaknesses are out of his control...
...namely not having a QB and working in a ****ed up organization.
Keep coaching Chan... and keep coaching hard!
You have my respect.
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Originally Posted by
coastal
He may be one step above where he should be. He may be making some game day mistakes, but the simple fact is the guy is working his ass off. We took a Superbowl contender into the 4th quarter on the road with a decent shot at winning the game.
Chan Gailey isn't a bum... in fact, give him a Tom Brady and people would be calling him an offensive genius.
Sure... he's not the best on the planet but his greatest weaknesses are out of control...
...namely not having a QB and working in a ****ed up organization.
Keep coaching Chan... and keep coaching hard!
You have my respect.
We'll be at .300 ball so if he stays on, so you're making me look sane here on some of my drunken posts.
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:rofl:
He's taken a more talented Bills team than Jauron had and has produced worse results.
But you like the guy?
Once we fire him, which we eventually will, he'll never have another job in the NFL...not even ball boy.
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MitchMurrayDowntown
We'll be at .300 ball so if he stays on, so you're making me look sane here on some of my drunken posts.
My point is that our problems are a lot more than Chan and with a real QB, I think it would be fair to say everyone's opinion of him might be quite different
bills fans will be screaming for a blood letting by the end of the year. And Ralph will offer up Chan... probably Buddy too in an attempt to appease the blood thirsty crowd.
None of it will be fair to Chan or the efforts he has put into coaching this team in what amounts to an entirely dysfunctional organization.
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chans only mistake in my eyes has been hiring wansteadt
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coastal
My point is that our problems are a lot more than Chan and with a real QB, I think it would be fair to say everyone's opinion of him might be quite different
bills fans will be screaming for a blood letting by the end of the year. And Ralph will offer up Chan... probably Buddy too in an attempt to appease the blood thirsty crowd.
None of it will be fair to Chan or the efforts he has put into coaching this team in what amounts to an entirely dysfunctional organization.
Dick Jauron had a less talented roster to work with and a worse QB and produced better results in the W/L column.
Period.
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Originally Posted by
coastal
He may be one step above where he should be. He may be making some game day mistakes, but the simple fact is the guy is working his ass off. We took a Superbowl contender into the 4th quarter on the road with a decent shot at winning the game.
Chan Gailey isn't a bum... in fact, give him a Tom Brady and people would be calling him an offensive genius.
Sure... he's not the best on the planet but his greatest weaknesses are out of his control...
...namely not having a QB and working in a ****ed up organization.
Keep coaching Chan... and keep coaching hard!
You have my respect.
How many beers did it take to write that up?
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Originally Posted by
coastal
He may be one step above where he should be. He may be making some game day mistakes, but the simple fact is the guy is working his ass off. We took a Superbowl contender into the 4th quarter on the road with a decent shot at winning the game.
Chan Gailey isn't a bum... in fact, give him a Tom Brady and people would be calling him an offensive genius.
Sure... he's not the best on the planet but his greatest weaknesses are out of his control...
...namely not having a QB and working in a ****ed up organization.
Keep coaching Chan... and keep coaching hard!
You have my respect.
Are you bi-polar?
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djjimkelly
chans only mistake in my eyes has been hiring wansteadt
My biggest criticism of Chan is attempting to run this offense with Fitz at the helm.
Although no matter what we run, without someone to challenge the outside, it's basically a non-starter anyways.
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coastal
My biggest criticism of Chan is attempting to run this offense with Fitz at the helm.
Although no matter what we run, without someone to challenge the outside, it's basically a non-starter anyways.
on offense id scrap the wildcat the rest for the most part im also fine with.
fitz isnt good enough to run this o but u have o call an nfl game even if u don have an nfl qb
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HurkeyNuts
Are you bi-polar?
No.
ive worked as a manager in an organization where the owners were totally dysfunctional.
so much of your success and the success of the team you are charged with leading is hindered... and u can do very little outside of just focussing even harder on what you do actually have control over.
that is very much the situation Chan is in... and he isn't losing his focus.
i respect that.
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coastal
No.
ive worked as a manager in an organization where the owners were totally dysfunctional.
so much of your success and the success of the team you are charged with leading is hindered... and u can do very little outside of just focussing even harder on what you do actually have control over.
that is very much the situation Chan is in... and he isn't losing his focus.
i respect that.
He's the coach of a team that has pathetic play calling, pathetic schemes and is not set for the strengths this team does have and makes zero adjustments in game.
But yeah ya know, that ain't his fault...it must be someone else's.
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FunTimesYaY!
He's the coach of a team that has pathetic play calling, pathetic schemes and is not set for the strengths this team does have and makes zero adjustments in game.
But yeah ya know, that ain't his fault...it must be someone else's.
Why is it that ex-Bills players and coaches can go elsewhere in the league and have all kinds of success?
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FunTimesYaY!
He's the coach of a team that has pathetic play calling, pathetic schemes and is not set for the strengths this team does have and makes zero adjustments in game.
But yeah ya know, that ain't his fault...it must be someone else's.
Going less into it, we don't win many games since he's been our coach.
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MitchMurrayDowntown
Going less into it, we don't win many games since he's been our coach.
Immaterial.
No playoffs 13 years... That's material.
thats the organizational accomplishment.
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coastal
Why is it that ex-Bills players and coaches can go elsewhere in the league and have all kinds of success?
All kinds of success? Who has had all kinds of success elsewhere that didn't have success here?
Don't even mention Donte Whitner, he's the same guy in SF as he was here...he's just hidden better among more talented players.
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coastal
Immaterial... No playoffs 13 years... That's material.
thats the organizational accomplishment.
Of course it's immaterial to point out that he's been a downgrade since the last regime, which he most certainly has, because it doesn't fit your argument.
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FunTimesYaY!
All kinds of success? Who has had all kinds of success elsewhere that didn't have success here?
Don't even mention Donte Whitner, he's the same guy in SF as he was here...he's just hidden better among more talented players.
Fewell... Super Bowl winner.
Gilbride... Super Bowl winner.
Gregg Williams... Super Bowl winner.
Willis McGahee
Marshawn Lynch
Donte Whitner
Jabari Greer... Super Bowl winner.
Wade Phillips
Dick Lebaeu... Super Bowl winner.
Jim Leonhard
Antoine Winfield
Justin Bannan
Pat Williams
Ruben Brown
i pretty much own u.
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Of course it's immaterial to point out that he's been a downgrade since the last regime, which he most certainly has, because it doesn't fit your argument.
u don't even comprehend my argument.
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coastal
u don't even comprehend my argument.
i feel like that alot in life sadly and you are right in this case
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coastal
He may be one step above where he should be. He may be making some game day mistakes, but the simple fact is the guy is working his ass off. We took a Superbowl contender into the 4th quarter on the road with a decent shot at winning the game.
Chan Gailey isn't a bum... in fact, give him a Tom Brady and people would be calling him an offensive genius.
Sure... he's not the best on the planet but his greatest weaknesses are out of his control...
...namely not having a QB and working in a ****ed up organization.
Keep coaching Chan... and keep coaching hard!
You have my respect.
Really? You give Chan credit for ONE game where he took a good team into the last quarter without getting blown out with two weeks to prepare?
What about the SB contender that completely embarrassed us on the road barely a month ago? What about the SB contender in our own division that whooped the ever-loving **** out of us? What about the other team in our division that won't make the playoffs that whooped the ever-loving **** out of us? What about the team that will probably finish 3rd in their division that stole a late lead from us and beat us at home with 2 100-yard rushers in the same game?
Seriously, if that is all it takes to earn your respect, you have ridiculously low standards. This is exactly what I mean when I say Bills fans have accepted mediocrity.
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I liked Chan, but not anymore. I never liked Jauron, but at least the team played hard for him. I don't think they do for Chan. Motivating the players is a head coaching skill. Plus to limit Spiller when the guy is on the verge of a breakout season is unforgivable.
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Originally Posted by
coastal
He may be one step above where he should be. He may be making some game day mistakes, but the simple fact is the guy is working his ass off. We took a Superbowl contender into the 4th quarter on the road with a decent shot at winning the game.
Chan Gailey isn't a bum... in fact, give him a Tom Brady and people would be calling him an offensive genius.
Sure... he's not the best on the planet but his greatest weaknesses are out of his control...
...namely not having a QB and working in a ****ed up organization.
Keep coaching Chan... and keep coaching hard!
You have my respect.
Eff all that ****...2-12 in the division. Gailey sucks. Period.
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Offensive genius coach's team scores no touchdowns. I find that offensive.
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coastal
Fewell... Super Bowl winner.
Gilbride... Super Bowl winner.
Gregg Williams... Super Bowl winner.
Willis McGahee
Marshawn Lynch
Donte Whitner
Jabari Greer... Super Bowl winner.
Wade Phillips
Dick Lebaeu... Super Bowl winner.
Jim Leonhard
Antoine Winfield
Justin Bannan
Pat Williams
Ruben Brown
i pretty much own u.
u don't even comprehend my argument.
LMAO you name coaches who have moved on to organizations who have immensely more talent than here. Lebeau was fine here, in his one season, and successful before and after. Why not mention Sam Wyche and Mike Mularkey while you're at it. Wade isn't even a HC anymore and in fact was fired by another team in between then and now.
McGahee was better here than he has been since. Lynch is the same. Whitner is the same. You mention Greer? Because he was such an integral part of N.O.'s offensive success. Leonhard is a nobody. Winfield was successful here. Bannan is a nobody. Williams was successful here and Ruben Brown was also better here than elsewhere.
You own jack.
Your argument is crap and frankly, stupid.
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coastal
Fewell... Super Bowl winner.
Gilbride... Super Bowl winner.
Gregg Williams... Super Bowl winner.
Willis McGahee
Marshawn Lynch
Donte Whitner
Jabari Greer... Super Bowl winner.
Wade Phillips
Dick Lebaeu... Super Bowl winner.
Jim Leonhard
Antoine Winfield
Justin Bannan
Pat Williams
Ruben Brown
Cherry picking. You could do the same or better with any team's castoffs.
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djjimkelly
i feel like that alot in life sadly and you are right in this case
You still think that JP Losman was awesome so your opinion is equally as meaningless.
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gebobs
Cherry picking. You could do the same or better with any team's castoffs.
He missed Jason Peters. I mean that guy is doing so awesome this year! :rofl:
Plus most of those guys have been replaced by players as good or better...outside of Winfield.
Obviously Fewell and Lebeau are better than the DC we have now though.
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bf1
I liked Chan, but not anymore. I never liked Jauron, but at least the team played hard for him. I don't think they do for Chan. Motivating the players is a head coaching skill. Plus to limit Spiller when the guy is on the verge of a breakout season is unforgivable.
agree 100%. used to support Chan, but for those reasons alone, I don't anymore. and that's not even mentioning his record since he's been here.
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coastal
We took a Superbowl contender into the 4th quarter on the road with a decent shot at winning the game.
that sounds like we're an expansion team. like we're still knew to the league. big deal. we should have beaten them.
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Anyone that thought Gailey was going to be anything more than another chump either didn't know who he was or was deluded.
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gebobs
Anyone that thought Gailey was going to be anything more than another chump either didn't know who he was or was deluded.
Sadly some people are still deluded. Chan is the worst HC we've had since Wade, including Gregg.
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FunTimesYaY!
You still think that JP Losman was awesome so your opinion is equally as meaningless.
holy **** you are pathetic
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djjimkelly
holy **** you are pathetic
Thank you.
Seriously what is pathetic is your inability to actually assess what you are seeing.
Your views on what you've seen in the past makes your evaluation on what you see now meaningless.
Hence what I said.
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Did someone just make fun of Jason Peters? Dude was probably the best OT in the game last year
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Originally Posted by
coastal
He may be one step above where he should be. He may be making some game day mistakes, but the simple fact is the guy is working his ass off. We took a Superbowl contender into the 4th quarter on the road with a decent shot at winning the game.
Chan Gailey isn't a bum... in fact, give him a Tom Brady and people would be calling him an offensive genius.
Sure... he's not the best on the planet but his greatest weaknesses are out of his control...
...namely not having a QB and working in a ****ed up organization.
Keep coaching Chan... and keep coaching hard!
You have my respect.
This post was clearly written in November 2010 after the Baltimore game. Because there's no way you can be claiming this now.
He hasn't been stuck with Fitz, he's deliberately chosen Fitz to lead his offense. There's no way that we give Ryan that extension or draft only 1 7th round QB in three years unless Chan is telling Nix that Fitz is the guy.
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THRILLHO
Offensive genius coach's team scores no touchdowns. I find that offensive.
You wonder why we're at the top of the AFC prediction game, these guys are trying to salt our loser staff. I have some news for the deep-thinkers here, Ralph will never let this team shine above himself again. He'll hire the cheapest group of coaching losers that have some kind of story from decades ago & sell it to a captive audience.
What's been the average age of our coaches / people in charge over the past 6 years ?? Now compare that to the age of the winning Superbowl coaches from the past 6 years. Maybe now the over-the-hill statement holds water, especially for the good ole' boys club.
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gebobs
Eff all that ****...2-12 in the division. Gailey sucks. Period.
Bills will lose more division play vs pats this sunday and then Play thurday night vs Dolphin and in the last day game play vs Jets. Chan Gailey will be 2-15 divsion. This year will be 0-6 Division, Chan G will be Bye bye and terminated
:hang:
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I came into the season as a supporter of Gailey, these past few weeks have changed that, at best right now he seems to be a glorified offensive coordinator. Taking no control over the defense and letting Wannstedt continue to have the all say while the defense was in shambles is not a head coaching move.
Then there is this illusion that Chan has that Fitz is capable of running this offense and never holding him accountable for any of his poor play this season, to the point where he'll throw another part of the offense under the bus to protect his beard buddy (ban beards on the team).
Finally there is the refusal to give CJ Spiller more carriers, arguably Spiller might be the most talented back in the league right now. He is the first RB since the 60's to have an average carry of over 6 yards (7.2) with more than 70 carries. Just to show how big that is, Willis McGahee who is averaging over 4 yds. a carry has only 58 more rushing yds. than Spiller, but with 68 more carries. In a interview on WGR yesterday Gailey said that the reason that they didn't run more against the Texans was because of the defense they were playing (they were keeping 7 and 8 men in the box) and if they ran more they would continue to get runs for 1 yard or minus 1 yard, I don't know what game he was watching, but out of the 13 designed running plays only three went for a yard or less. One was a Wildcat run by B. Smith for no gain, one was a 1 yard gain by Jackson and the third was a no gain by Spiller into a stacked line on third and short, which was stupid because that should of been a Jackson carry. Which also brings up how stupid it is to rotate the backs by series instead of by situation.
I'm not crazy about firing Gailey, we've had 5 different coaches in 10 years, but something needs to change. Hopefully when we get a new QB things will be better, that's if we don't draft an O-Lineman.
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/fantas...--fantasy.html
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Chan is the same coach he's always been, he wasn't a good hire when we made it and a number of people pointed out why. Those problems have continued to surface week after week for years now. Favortism among players, poor play calling, inability to get playmakers involved, lack of schematic changes, bad hires, etc., etc.
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coastal
We took a Superbowl contender into the 4th quarter on the road with a decent shot at winning the game.
When the hell did this become the standard by which we are measuring our own success?
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coastal
He may be one step above where he should be. He may be making some game day mistakes, but the simple fact is the guy is working his ass off. We took a Superbowl contender into the 4th quarter on the road with a decent shot at winning the game.
Chan Gailey isn't a bum... in fact, give him a Tom Brady and people would be calling him an offensive genius.
Sure... he's not the best on the planet but his greatest weaknesses are out of his control...
...namely not having a QB and working in a ****ed up organization.
Keep coaching Chan... and keep coaching hard!
You have my respect.
I'd have more respect if the Bills were a Super Bowl (hell, even just a playoff) contender in year three of this regime.
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djjimkelly
chans only mistake in my eyes has been hiring wansteadt
His stubborn loyalty to the extremely limited Fitz isn't a plus.
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coastal
My point is that our problems are a lot more than Chan and with a real QB, I think it would be fair to say everyone's opinion of him might be quite different
bills fans will be screaming for a blood letting by the end of the year. And Ralph will offer up Chan... probably Buddy too in an attempt to appease the blood thirsty crowd.
None of it will be fair to Chan or the efforts he has put into coaching this team in what amounts to an entirely dysfunctional organization.
I agree with you. I think we all are guilty at times of blaming the whole thing on one person, position, etc... But, it's a team sport... maybe even an organization sport. Chan is one part of the entire whole. He is not perfect and has made mistakes. However, I personally feel he has done a better job than many of his predecessors. I knwo some of you totally disagree and frankly I won't argue it much. It's not worth hashing through over and over.
My point is that Chan is only one part and if we had a legit franchise QB our fortunes could be much different. Personally, I'd like to see us wait one more year to decide Chan's final fate. I want to see us add a few more pieces to the defense and a legit future option at QB. I realize our new QB won't likely play next year so I don't consider that as something that will likely make a huge difference next year. But, adding a legit ILB and a solid OLB maybe S could make a big impact on the defense and win us a few more games... Maybe even enough for a playoff run.
...And if Chan can get us to the playoffs with a decent defense, and decent offensive production with an average to sub-par QB (Fitz) he has my vote to stay. In the end I think it's still to early to decide on Chan since the defense still needs a few legit pieces.
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djjimkelly
chans only mistake in my eyes has been hiring wansteadt
Funny you should post that considering how many fans here couldn't wait to see him take over the defense when George Edwards was running it. Wannstedt isn't the problem. The talent sucks, that falls on the head coach and upper management. JMO
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Good coordinator...lousey HC.
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Historian
Good coordinator...lousey HC.
If this offense is what we can expect from coordinator Chan, he's awful at that too. One of the best 1-2 punches at running back, one of the worst quarterbacks, and what does genius boy want to do EVERY ********* GAME? Throw the ball with an empty backfield. It's beyond moronic. I think he's lost his mind.
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coastal
My biggest criticism of Chan is attempting to run this offense with Fitz at the helm.
Although no matter what we run, without someone to challenge the outside, it's basically a non-starter anyways.
You admit that he neglected the most important position in the game, yet still think he's a good coach?
That doesn't really make sense.
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You know what the most disturbing part about this is?
We had pretty much the exact same conversation 8 or 9 years ago regarding Gregg Williams and Kevin Gilbride. Williams had the D and S/T playing great but the O was in shambles and he didn't do anything about it.
Ralph and Brandon have learned nothing. That's why the past keeps repeating itself.
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coastal
ive worked as a manager in an organization where the owners were totally dysfunctional.
McDonalds or Burger King?
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OpIv37
You know what the most disturbing part about this is?
We had pretty much the exact same conversation 8 or 9 years ago regarding Gregg Williams and Kevin Gilbride. Williams had the D and S/T playing great but the O was in shambles and he didn't do anything about it.
Ralph and Brandon have learned nothing. That's why the past keeps repeating itself.
Groundhogs Day.
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coastal
My point is that our problems are a lot more than Chan and with a real QB, I think it would be fair to say everyone's opinion of him might be quite different
bills fans will be screaming for a blood letting by the end of the year. And Ralph will offer up Chan... probably Buddy too in an attempt to appease the blood thirsty crowd.
None of it will be fair to Chan or the efforts he has put into coaching this team in what amounts to an entirely dysfunctional organization.
Guess what: If you named 90% of us Bills head coach, we'd be working our asses off too, trying to get our beloved team to succeed. However, we would be even less qualified than our unqualified head coach. Respect him for cashing millions of dollars and winning less than 1/3 of his games? No thanks. I can respect Chan Gailey the man, he seems to be a good guy who bit off a little more than he could chew, but I'm not going to respect Chan Gailey the head coach.