Bills Future looking bright

Looking at the team today bright is not the word you would use but looking ahead there is a lot to be encouraged by.

Offensive Line:

LT - Glenn is looking like one of the best young LTs in the game right now, very strong and very mobile. Blocks well in line and is great at blocking in space and on the run. Is also an efficient pass protector.

LG - Levitre has quietly established himself as maybe the best LG in the AFC with Logan Mankins. Very quick and very strong in the run game and in pas pro. Great at leading in space.

C- Wood has had injuries but is now healthy and has justified his first round selection. Did a great job overall containing the best DT in football (Wilfork) in both the pass and run game.

RG - Urbik - Not quite as highly regarded as the rest but Urbik came to Buffalo as a waiver wire pickup and has become a more than reliable starter. In fact he could be among the top 5-10 guards in the AFC right now. His absence in the Bills lineup was definitely noticed.

RT- Pears/Hairston - Either one have been stout at RT. Both offer solid pass protection and hold their own in the run game.

OL overall - In my opinion this is the best OL unit in the NFL right now. The Saints line would have been with Nicks but with his move to the Bucs I think the Bills are #1. They are simply overlooked due to our record.


DL - We all know the characters - I think this DL is a work in progress and will slowly improve as a unit. A better scheme with better coaching may be the answer but more time together and being healthy is also key. Mario, Kyle, Dareus, Anderson and Merriman are all battling injuries right now that are forcing them to play at less than 100%. I think next year is the year they really show up.

Secondary - Young secondary and that is the biggest problem. Byrd is good but still learning to impact a game consistently. Gilmore is showing why he was a top ten selection but also showing his youth at times. Mckelvin is slowly getting confidence back in his game and Williams who has had a horrible year is out for a while which may do him some good. Mckelvin actually seemed to have a good game on Sunday as Brady found no deep plays open. Wilson and Searcy will be an interesting battle to watch the rest of the season.

Overall I think we are fine in the secondary and next year it can be a very strong unit.

LBs -- Easily the worst unit on the team. No playmakers, no fiery hitters, no one good in pass coverage. They are the main reason our DL rarely gets to the QB. Smart QBs continue to use RBs, backs and receivers on short routes that abuse our LBs. We need serious talent there which will completely reform our defense. What we need is a defensive QB as right now it just seems we have no identity.

Receivers -- This group is developing into a very strong unit of dynamic players, each brings something different to the table. Stevie obviously the main target, after that Jones has made a niche for himself as a reliable slot receiver that has the speed and quickness to separate inside. Chandler has become a threat to any defense over the middle, great hands and knows how to run routes and find spots in zones. These three form a solid core and if TJ Graham can develop into a solid #2 on the outside we will have all the required ingredients.

QB -- Fitz is the best we have right now, but if someone can come in and learn the Gailey system and add to it a stronger arm and more accuracy then we have a top 3 offense.

RB -- Any QB who steps into the huddle for the Bills will have the luxury of having these two RBs who will make life much easier, especially for a rookie QB. Trading Jackson is no longer an option as he is much more valuable to the Bills than he is to another org.

Bills Overall - Young team, loaded with talent in key areas, except at QB, for me that means that we are not far away. Any QB who steps in to this team will have plenty of advantages right away. We also need a QB on defense however, either at safety or at LB. Someone to take charge and make adjustments when needed.

The Bills really are not far away from being a contender in the playoffs let alone making the playoffs.

I like the o line and the running backs.

The rest of them you can keep.

We need a QB, it is only the most important player on the field. The league has 32 teams, and does not have 32 starting caliber Quarterbacks

The receivers are garbage after Stevie. Jones has made some plays, but would be 3rd or 4th receiver on most teams. McKelvin is a free agent after this season & won't be back. A mid level FA replacement CB would make a lot of sense.
I don't want any future QB learning Chan's system-Chan should be fired on New Year's eve. He should not be a Bill for even one second of 2013. The good news is it looks like Ralph is doing well, even working with a personal trainer & that means he can fire Nix & Gailey after the season & hire new guys.
So, all we need are a new GM, a new head coach & staff, 3 QBs, 2-3 WRs, 2-3 LBs, and possibly a new kicker. A really aggressive team could spend & get the job done in a year or 2.

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Originally Posted by Albany,n.y.

The receivers are garbage after Stevie. Jones has made some plays, but would be 3rd or 4th receiver on most teams. McKelvin is a free agent after this season & won't be back. A mid level FA replacement CB would make a lot of sense.
I don't want any future QB learning Chan's system-Chan should be fired on New Year's eve. He should not be a Bill for even one second of 2013. The good news is it looks like Ralph is doing well, even working with a personal trainer & that means he can fire Nix & Gailey after the season & hire new guys.
So, all we need are a new GM, a new head coach & staff, 3 QBs, 2-3 WRs, 2-3 LBs, and possibly a new kicker. A really aggressive team could spend & get the job done in a year or 2.

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Chan should stay. Enough restarting. We need to continue building this. Lets not forget we had no OL or DL before Chan got here.

That is a nice positive spin on things. That said, it is going to take a lot to fix the defense and the hole at QB is huge and difficult to fill. Hard to imagine the team being more than just a playoff after-thought without a fix at QB.

You've said this same thing for three years now. We are still WR, QB, OLB, MLB, CB, and a SS from where we need to be not to mention our lack of depth.

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Originally Posted by DraftBoy

You've said this same thing for three years now. We are still WR, QB, OLB, MLB, CB, and a SS from where we need to be not to mention our lack of depth.

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Exactly and over the last three years we have managed to add some critical pieces. You say WR but we only really need a #2 which is not hard to find. 4-3 LBs are not hard to find either. Especially in rounds 2 and 3 and 4 where there are typically a lot of good ones. CB and safety is more luxury than anything. We have Gilmore now and we have other young guys opposite him who are still learning. Williams still has a chance to be a player at either CB or S. Searcy is a guy that is getting more time and can challenge for a starting spot. So I don't agree that these are big needs but more things that we can just improve on.

The only really big need we have is QB and maybe MLB. MLB can be filled by Shepp as he is in his first full season as starter in a new defense. He probably isn't playing fast because he is reacting constantly instead of acting. Either way, we need to spend a high pick on a LB either inside or outside.

Bottom line, if our DL was playing at a high level this year we would be 6-3 rather than 3-6. As we have often scored enough to win games. This team isn't far and our needs can be addressed in one offseason.

You completely overrate our WR's.

Stevie is streaky and still makes mental mistakes (like not getting to the sticks on the first drive). None of our other WR's are above a #3. Even with a true #2, we're still dealing with Stevie's inconsistency and mental mistakes.

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Originally Posted by Mahdi

Chan should stay. Enough restarting. We need to continue building this. Lets not forget we had no OL or DL before Chan got here.

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We also used to win 7 games a year & thought that wasn't good enough. With Chan you are now content with winning one of every 3 games and think we're headed in the right direction if Chan can get back to Jauron's unacceptable 7 wins this season. I guess any win total better than the 4 & 6 in his 1st two seasons would be an improvement. If you are what your record says you are, Dick Jauron was Vince Lombardi compared to Chan, since as you stated, he did it without an OL or DL.
This past Sunday the team had the 2nd most penalty yards in its history, and the most since joining the NFL. That's because the team is poorly coached. When your team is poorly coached, you don't keep the curent staff for continuity's sake, you fire them with the idea that we can do better.

I think we have some good young pieces to work with, but aren't really that close to being a contender.

We don't need to have great players at every position, but we do need a great player at every level of the defense. We have huge gaping holes at LB that need to be addressed. We could have a stellar secondary and DL, but without LBs, teams will continue to exploit us over the middle.

There's also that big gaping hole behind C.

It's the hardest thing to find in the NFL and until we find a franchise QB, we will never be contenders.

i know it makes no statistical sense, but i like the gailey teams alot better than the jauron team.s you saw the ceiling with jauron and knew he could do no better. the games were boring. they were just hanging on to survive.

true, we still get blown out and nothing is better, but each game, there is a sense that the team is capable of winning. it's just htat they buffalo it up.

i'm not saying he's the right man to fix all this because it's becoming clearer by the day he isn't. but the offense is much better and the line play is much better.

if we could have had gailey as an OC, jauron as a DC and a legit critical thinker as a Hc, they might have been playoff bound. jauron and gailey don't do well with the press and let it get to them.

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Originally Posted by Mahdi

Chan should stay. Enough restarting. We need to continue building this. Lets not forget we had no OL or DL before Chan got here.

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continue building what?

This team has used it's first round draft pick on defensive players in 4 of the last 5 draft, plus a ****load of 2nd and 3rd round draft picks. Plus, we got the biggest defensive FA on the market in the off-season. Yet, the D still blows. And we STILL have no DL. On paper we do, but it doesn't show on the field. On O, we are solid at RB and on the OL but definitely need a QB and need help at WR.

We've been absolutely horrendous within the division.

The problem with Gailey isn't that he hasn't had enough time. It's that he's not good enough. You could appoint Gailey coach for life and we'd still be lucky to ever get above 9-7.

Of course, starting over won't help either because the Bills will just make another bad choice like they did with Gailey, Jauron, Mularkey and Williams.

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Originally Posted by OpIv37

You completely overrate our WR's.

Stevie is streaky and still makes mental mistakes (like not getting to the sticks on the first drive). None of our other WR's are above a #3. Even with a true #2, we're still dealing with Stevie's inconsistency and mental mistakes.

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The only thing Stevie has been inconsistent with is being thrown to. Stevie is fine. And he probably had to come back for that ball so I don't blame him for not getting to the sticks. Not every pass or every route is ideal. Sometimes you get to the sticks and easy first down, sometimes you have to come back and extra yard and use run after catch to get the rest.

You underrate our WRs, if anything Stevie is a better #1 than he appears. A stronger QB would have him over 100 receptions easily and 10 TDs.

As for Jones, young player that was injured a lot of last year, now he is starting to produce good numbers from the slot. Has good hands, strong and has good run after catch skills.

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Originally Posted by Mahdi

The only thing Stevie has been inconsistent with is being thrown to. Stevie is fine. And he probably had to come back for that ball so I don't blame him for not getting to the sticks. Not every pass or every route is ideal. Sometimes you get to the sticks and easy first down, sometimes you have to come back and extra yard and use run after catch to get the rest.

You underrate our WRs, if anything Stevie is a better #1 than he appears. A stronger QB would have him over 100 receptions easily and 10 TDs.

As for Jones, young player that was injured a lot of last year, now he is starting to produce good numbers from the slot. Has good hands, strong and has good run after catch skills.

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lmao - "it's never the player that I like's fault. It's always the fault of the coach or someone else on the team."

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Originally Posted by OpIv37

continue building what?

This team has used it's first round draft pick on defensive players in 4 of the last 5 draft, plus a ****load of 2nd and 3rd round draft picks. Plus, we got the biggest defensive FA on the market in the off-season. Yet, the D still blows. And we STILL have no DL. On paper we do, but it doesn't show on the field. On O, we are solid at RB and on the OL but definitely need a QB and need help at WR.

We've been absolutely horrendous within the division.

The problem with Gailey isn't that he hasn't had enough time. It's that he's not good enough. You could appoint Gailey coach for life and we'd still be lucky to ever get above 9-7.

Of course, starting over won't help either because the Bills will just make another bad choice like they did with Gailey, Jauron, Mularkey and Williams.

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The DL needs time to gel into a unit. Right now they are just a mix of talent young and vet that haven't had enough time together to compete at a high level, plus they have 3 LBs that are either not good enough or too young behind them.

Gailey has done a lot to bring this team along. It wasn't long ago that we couldn't even reach the redzone. Now we are putting up points on the ground and through the air and we have a top 5 OL.

Our defense will flip our record when they get things going.

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Originally Posted by Mahdi

The DL needs time to gel into a unit. Right now they are just a mix of talent young and vet that haven't had enough time together to compete at a high level, plus they have 3 LBs that are either not good enough or too young behind them.

Gailey has done a lot to bring this team along. It wasn't long ago that we couldn't even reach the redzone. Now we are putting up points on the ground and through the air and we have a top 5 OL.

Our defense will flip our record when they get things going.

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and we got that offensive production by having our D go from bad to "completely incompetent" and our S/T go from good to mediocre. For every area where he's improved, there are other areas where he's gone backwards, and the overall record of the team has actually gotten worse.

The future is not bright.

We're in year three of the Nix/Gailey regime and we're further away from contending than when we started.

the future looks bright once we start winning. We're Champs when it comes to " Potential "

I seem to heard this last year, the year before, the year before that and.............

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Originally Posted by JoeMama

The future is not bright.

We're in year three of the Nix/Gailey regime and we're further away from contending than when we started.

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Not true. Our record doesn't reflect it but the amount of players we have that are considered top tier players has gone up, especially home grown ones. We have drastically increased our talent pool and we have at least improved our offense. Our defense is a work in progress because of new faces and a new scheme.

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Originally Posted by Mahdi

Our defense is a work in progress because of new faces and a new scheme.

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Are you kidding me? Ranked 31st? Maybe we'll finally make it to 15 after 3 more years.

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Originally Posted by Mahdi

Not true. Our record doesn't reflect it but the amount of players we have that are considered top tier players has gone up, especially home grown ones. We have drastically increased our talent pool and we have at least improved our offense. Our defense is a work in progress because of new faces and a new scheme.

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I'll agree with your 1st statement. Now there's only one way to interpret the results of :
Better players=worse w/l record
The team needs a new head coach & assistant coaching staff. The defense isn't a work in progress because of new faces & a new scheme, it's a work in progress because it needs a different new scheme.

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Originally Posted by Mahdi

Exactly and over the last three years we have managed to add some critical pieces. You say WR but we only really need a #2 which is not hard to find. 4-3 LBs are not hard to find either. Especially in rounds 2 and 3 and 4 where there are typically a lot of good ones. CB and safety is more luxury than anything. We have Gilmore now and we have other young guys opposite him who are still learning. Williams still has a chance to be a player at either CB or S. Searcy is a guy that is getting more time and can challenge for a starting spot. So I don't agree that these are big needs but more things that we can just improve on.

The only really big need we have is QB and maybe MLB. MLB can be filled by Shepp as he is in his first full season as starter in a new defense. He probably isn't playing fast because he is reacting constantly instead of acting. Either way, we need to spend a high pick on a LB either inside or outside.

Bottom line, if our DL was playing at a high level this year we would be 6-3 rather than 3-6. As we have often scored enough to win games. This team isn't far and our needs can be addressed in one offseason.

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No we need more than a #2 WR, we still have no reliable slot option and maybe Graham one day develops but given how you just blamed him on Sunday for the INT, he is still a long way away if he doesn't know which option he's supposed to be running.

4-3 LB's are a lot harder to find then you're making it out to be.

Neither CB or SAF is a luxury, Williams has been atrocious, McKelvin has been servicable at best, and Rogers has regressed. Maybe Brooks develops but he's seen more as a nickle CB which we need anyways. Wilson has been garbage and Searcy is a backup and should never be a starter.

We have big needs all over the field on both sides. This sugar coating of our weaknesses has to stop, we severly lack talent on both sides of the ball. If that's not as apparent on game day as the lack of coaching then I honestly don't know what football game you are watching. To blame all of this on the DL is utterly ridiculous. They take a full share, but them doing better does not fix the entire defense.

The future of the Bills is bright? Get off of drugs.

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The future of the Bills is bright? Get off of drugs.

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I think we should all quit the Bills and get on drugs. It seems like a much healthier, happier way to live.

We regressed statistically, so if your goal was failure than we've moved further along.

i read the title of this thread thinking The Old Fart FINALLY croaked. :(

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Originally Posted by Mahdi

Not true. Our record doesn't reflect it but the amount of players we have that are considered top tier players has gone up, especially home grown ones. We have drastically increased our talent pool and we have at least improved our offense. Our defense is a work in progress because of new faces and a new scheme.

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Please list the top tier talent home grown talent that Buddy has brought in. Spiller, Dareus, Gilmore and Glenn are about it and each is still going through growing pains rather than being considered a true top tier player at their position. Compare and contrast to say the Pats, who in the same three year period have brought in Gronkowski, Hernandez, Ridley, Spikes, Solder, Jones & Hightower.

Our Oline is ****. It can't protect Fitz and can't get short yards.

Levitre needs to be re-signed, otherwise LG is a weakness.
Pears is anything but stout, he consistently blows...can't handle power or speed against the pass, is an adequate run blocker at best.
The main reason our d-line doesn't get to the QB is a ****ty coordinator, and underwhelming performances by the players themselves.

I do, however, agree that the team is not that far away. A MLB, a real DC, and a better QB and I will feel a little bit more confident.

I have heard it said that the difference between the Bills and the rest of the NFL teams is that the other teams can always say, "There's always next year" while it's always, "There's always the year after next" with the Bills.

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Originally Posted by YardRat

Levitre needs to be re-signed, otherwise LG is a weakness.

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Agreed, and it should be a no brainer.

I really like 3/5ths of the Oline now, for the first time in a while.

Cordy Glenn needs help on speed rushers, but it is really no more than a quick chip block that's needed.

His run blocking on the other hand....is superb. Probably the best run blocking lineman we've had since Jason Peters. On the FJax TD, he blocked 3 guys. He helped Levitre on the DE, knocking him sideways 2 yards, then going to the 2nd level and driving back Mayo 2 yards. While he was on Mayo, he shifted his body to cut off an oncoming McCourtney.

One play. Three blocks. You can just see the left side of the line cave in when he drive blocks. Get him some work on pass blocking and he's Pro Bowl material.

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Pears is anything but stout, he consistently blows...can't handle power or speed against the pass, is an adequate run blocker at best.

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Never really liked him, always said, at best, he gets in front of a guy for a second. he usually prevents clean shots, but you aren't going to get more than 2 seconds of pocket protection from him.

Hairston is taking over anyways. Not the greatest, but not a swinging gate, either.

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Originally Posted by YardRat

The main reason our d-line doesn't get to the QB is a ****ty coordinator, and underwhelming performances by the players themselves.

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Watched Replay tonight, a hell of a lot better than the choppy comp. feeds I get, and I get to rewind, something I can't do when I go out to watch them.

Keyed on Mario. Though he was on the right a lot, they moved him inside a few times. Stood him up, put his hand in the ground, moved him from side to side.

He did....next to nothing.

I saw one, possibly two pressures when he rushed from the inside. On the outside..nothing. People think they are pressures sometimes when he runs around the QB from behind, but they aren't. He might have been close enough to horse collar Brady once, but Brady never had to so much as step up in the pocket.

If he learned a club, swim, spin move, or learned to dip his shoulder into a blocker, he could be dominant. But if he hasn't learned that by now....he probably won't.

As it is, he doesn't require a double team, I didn't see him doubled once... and outside of maybe 4 plays, was invisible.

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Originally Posted by YardRat

I do, however, agree that the team is not that far away. A MLB, a real DC, and a better QB and I will feel a little bit more confident.

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-You won't get a better QB if you keep drafting DB's.

-I'm definitely open to suggestions for DC's.

I'll say this about the NE game, especially after watching it again....I don't know how anyone on the D can look anyone the O in the eye after that game...(except Kyle Williams).

Mario Williams doesn't show much more effort than Mike Williams;
Barnett tries, I think...
Gilmore is just a dumbass. The first PI call was so freaking obvious;
Even on the controversial call, where it might have called uncatchable, he knocked the receiver to the ground while the ball was in the air.

I mean, the offense moved the ball, made blocks, caught balls, scored points.

Somehow they take the blame for one mistake.

The defense had about 59 minutes of continuous mistakes.

God, they suck.

Their future does not look bright. They have actually gotten worse since Nix and Gailey took over. The Brandon/Jauron reign was better than this, amazingly enough. How sad is that? Nix and Gailey are 13-28 overall and 2-13 against the AFC East, there are weaknesses littered throughout the roster (QB being the most important one; same story as when they took over), and some fans have the gall to say they're making progress? **** off.

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Originally Posted by EDS

Please list the top tier talent home grown talent that Buddy has brought in. Spiller, Dareus, Gilmore and Glenn are about it and each is still going through growing pains rather than being considered a true top tier player at their position. Compare and contrast to say the Pats, who in the same three year period have brought in Gronkowski, Hernandez, Ridley, Spikes, Solder, Jones & Hightower.

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Spiller, Dareus, Gilmore, Glenn, Stevie... I give Gailey credit for turning Stevie into a top WR

Levitre -- Top LG in AFC right now

Wood - Among top 5 C in AFC

Urbik - Among top 5 RG in AFC - Taken off waiver wire but was a young player and became good with us so its basically homegrown.

Byrd - Among top FS in league

9 players that a ton of teams would love to get their hands on is not bad for a team that two years ago had literally nothing.

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Originally Posted by TrEd FTW

Their future does not look bright. They have actually gotten worse since Nix and Gailey took over. The Brandon/Jauron reign was better than this, amazingly enough. How sad is that? Nix and Gailey are 13-28 overall and 2-13 against the AFC East, there are weaknesses littered throughout the roster (QB being the most important one; same story as when they took over), and some fans have the gall to say they're making progress? **** off.

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They have gotten worse by record. Overall talent has improved and they turned a 32nd ranked offense into a near top 10 offense. The defense is a work in progress that needed to be blown up before it could get better. With the young talent on the team and the vets we have already it should grow into a very good defense.

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Originally Posted by Mahdi

Spiller, Dareus, Gilmore, Glenn, Stevie... I give Gailey credit for turning Stevie into a top WR

Levitre -- Top LG in AFC right now

Wood - Among top 5 C in AFC

Urbik - Among top 5 RG in AFC - Taken off waiver wire but was a young player and became good with us so its basically homegrown.

Byrd - Among top FS in league

9 players that a ton of teams would love to get their hands on is not bad for a team that two years ago had literally nothing.

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Buddy did not bring in Johnson, Wood, Levitre or Byrd. That was the previous regime and all four were on the team 4 years ago! The only guys on your list that weren't here two years ago are Gilmore and Dareus.

Again, since you are blind to these things, try and find a team that has drafted in the top 10 and has brought in less talent in the past three years.

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Originally Posted by Mahdi

Urbik - Among top 5 RG in AFC - Taken off waiver wire but was a young player and became good with us so its basically homegrown.

Byrd - Among top FS in league

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I like Urbik, but you are overrating them there. And Byrd was Defensive Rookie of the Year (Non-Juicing division) before he even met Chan Gailey.

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Originally Posted by Mahdi

They have gotten worse by record. Overall talent has improved and they turned a 32nd ranked offense into a near top 10 offense.

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"near top 10 offense"?

They are 14th in total offense. They were 14th in total offense last year. They were 25th in total offense in 2010 and 30th in Jauron's 2009 when Jauron coached the team.

So he took a bad offense and made them average.

Of course, they were 19th in total defense in 2009 and 14th in total defense in 2008. They are 31st in total defense this year and were 26th in total defense in 2011.

So he took a average defense and made them bad.

I fail to see anything that makes me feel all warm and cuddly about the future.

You know what really kills me? Right now, in a KC Chiefs forum somewhere some optimistic schmuck created a thread about how the future in bright. The team only needs a new coaching staff, to turn around their terrible turnover ratio and a new QB to right the offense. Lots of young talent there, our young KC Chiefs fan is thinking.

Speaking of turnover ratio, there is probably no better statistic that correlates with winning in the NFL. The playoff teams usually are near the top in that category, the also-rans the bottom. This year the top-10 teams are: NE, CHI, TB, NYG, HOU, ATL, BAL, WAS, GB, SF. The Redskins are the only team in that group without a good shot at the playoffs.

The Bills are 30th in turnover ratio (better than the Eagles and Chiefs, yay!). They were 15th last year, 32nd in 2010. Under Jauron they were 23rd (2006), 6th (2007), 27th (2008) and 11th (2009). Are they really better off?

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Originally Posted by Mahdi

QB -- Fitz is the best we have right now, but if someone can come in and learn the Gailey system and add to it a stronger arm and more accuracy then we have a top 3 offense.

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You had me until this. Translation: "if you give me a million dollars I'll be a millionaire".

Anyone else as scared as me that Levitre gets away after this year?

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Originally Posted by MikeInRoch

Anyone else as scared as me that Levitre gets away after this year?

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Im very worried one of Byrd or Levitre gets away.

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Originally Posted by DraftBoy

Im very worried one of Byrd or Levitre gets away.

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Levitre has to be priority. Should be PBer this year.

I have confidence Nix will get both resigned just as he did Stevie & Fred last year.

I think Levitre played better last year, but he's going to make bank regardless. Plenty of teams looking for OL help, he's going to get a sweet deal if he's not franchised. Byrd I can see being franchised, smaller cap hit.