After Bob Costas' halftime anti-gun tirade last week on behalf of the Chiefs, I'm wondering if he'll be railing against cars and alcohol this week so the Cowboys can have something to blame.
Patti
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After Bob Costas' halftime anti-gun tirade last week on behalf of the Chiefs, I'm wondering if he'll be railing against cars and alcohol this week so the Cowboys can have something to blame.
Patti
Jerry Jones is reacting:
Cowboys | Breath-analyzer device for players possible
Mon, 10 Dec 2012 06:20:22 -0800
The Dallas Cowboys are looking into using SafeKey, an electronic device that prevents vehicles from starting when a driver is impaired, following the car accident that took the life of LB Jerry Brown.
Read more: http://www.kffl.com/hotw/nfl#ixzz2Ef4xrwsc
Personally, I think every car should be manufactured with one of these devices & make it a felony to tamper with it.
Years ago MADD called me for a contribution & I told them they're not doing enough to stop drunk driving because they've never called for the installation of these on every vehicle.
I generally don't like nanny state kind of things, but I wouldn't mind the car starter. When you have too many idiots, it's time to idiot proof things. Especially when the idiocy leads to the deaths of others.
We need breath testers on guns :DQuote:
Originally Posted by bf1
Bob Costas would like to say....F your take and the horse it rode in on!Quote:
Originally Posted by Discotrish
http://www.edgeofsports.com/2012-12-06-798/index.html
Costas may not have gotten to it, but Jim Rome certainly did on today's show.
http://www.jimrome.com/take/100-perc...ventable/35031
Was it really a tirade or a rant Patti or did the talking heads tell you it was?
Why not just complete the nanny state by outlawing alcohol?Quote:
Originally Posted by Albany,n.y.
Because that mentality only applies to guns. I don't know why, but it does.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeInRoch
The difference between Guns and cars, and booze is that Guns sole purpose is to kill. That is why guns are created. They are an efficient way to kill another human being without much effort or without getting dirty. That being said, the gun that killed the Football player and his gf did its job.
Now we should all ask ourselves do we want a buch of people running around with guns? If guns are okay, why not assault rifles? If guns are suppose to help protect Americans from foreign and domestic threats including potentially our own military than why not allow the average American citizens to buy tanks, fighter jets, high grade explosives, bombs, WMDs, etc... Either go all the way or none at all.
My two cents: With all of these shootings recently I think this will go in one of two ways:
1) Dramatic reduction of gun rights or loss of rights
2) NRA and Conservative groups work one imposing some limitations so that there is a standard. Maybe a physiological profile, background check, etc... Its often easier to buy a gun than it is to get a drivers license, or get a pack of smokes/beer, etc...
You know, I think Chris Rock was right about it all...
(WARNING: language is NSFW!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWjhTWv9eUs
the problem is that Costas made a false equivalency. This guy would have killed his girl and himself with or without guns. It's a one on one situation where the guy has a clear physical advantage. It was going to happen one way or the other. I guarantee that if there were ZERO handguns in the US right now, this guy and his gf would still be dead. Costas and Wilbon just used a tragedy to make a point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike
And here's the other thing: as usual, gun control advocates are taking the easy way out.
Blame the guns! Take away the guns!
The real issues here are mental health and domestic violence, but those aren't physical items that can potentially just be taken away. They are much more complicated problems. Never mind that there are millions of guns and gun owners in this country, and the overwhelming majority never hurt or kill anyone. Never mind that the places with the strictest gun control laws have some of the worst rates of gun-related crime while the places with the loosest gun laws have the lowest amount of gun crime. Let's blame the guns and ignore the real issues!
Or failing that, at least a psych eval before unknowingly handing over assault rifles to complete headcases.Quote:
Originally Posted by MidnightVoice
Gun nuts love to scream and yell "Guns don't kill people, people kill people!"
True, but the guns certainly help!
I'm all for the right to bear arms, but the frequency of mass shootings has spiked upward in 2012. It's like every other week some nutcup shambles into a public place and blasts a room full of human beings for sport.
There's got to be a way to weed out psychopaths from getting their shaking, twitchy, trigger-happy fingers on assault rifles.
I never get tired of his bullet control routine. Amazing.Quote:
Originally Posted by ckg927
Nowhere did Costas say that. What he did say is that the CULTURE surrounding it should be addressed. And on that point, he's right.Quote:
Originally Posted by OpIv37
Cripes...look at Canada for a minute. They have almost as many guns as Americans do, but they're not offing people left, right and center with guns.
Except that this incident STILL had nothing to do with gun culture. It had to do with mental illness and domestic violence. If the guy didn't have a gun, he would have grabbed a kitchen knife or just strangled her.Quote:
Originally Posted by ckg927
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Originally Posted by OpIv37
That's not true Op. Stabbing or strangling or beating someone to death requires a very personal connection with the person while shooting, even from relatively close range does not.
To look someone in the eye and squeeze their neck until death or pushing a knife is very different then pulling a trigger on a machine.
And in terms of culture there is a feeling in many groups that violence is the way to handle a problem and gun violence is an easy way to make your problems go away.
Except we're not talking about a sane, rational human being here. We are talking about someone who is already mentally ill enough to want to hurt his girlfriend and himself. And I'm not saying there isn't a gun culture- I'm saying this particular case isn't an example of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by EricStratton
Studies have shown that a lack of access to a gun significantly decreases the chances of somebody being killed. So no they won't just grab a knife or strangle somebody.Quote:
Originally Posted by OpIv37
On a similar but somewhat off topic topic, I find the way some in the MSM and fans have categorizes Belcher's rumored mental illness to be both digusting and horribly ignorant of facts. Being depressed or even dealing with a disorder (ex Bipolar) does not make somebody irrational or even crazy.
I'd like to see the methodology behind those studies and how "access" is defined. Correlation is not necessarily causality.Quote:
Originally Posted by DraftBoy
Ill see what I can dig up when I get home.Quote:
Originally Posted by OpIv37
If that's the case, you should be glad that they have shaky, twitchy fingers. Guarantee's they probably won't hit anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeMama
"I have no problem with what Costas said or the issues that he raised" ~ Pmoon6, lifetime NRA member, Concealed Carry permit holder and marksman extraordinaire.
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Originally Posted by pmoon6
And still very humble I see.
I think the important thing is that Costas got people talking about the issue again. And to a certain extent thinking more critically about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by pmoon6
Well, you do get an ego boost when you hit a moving elk in the heart at 400 yards. I still can't believe I made that shot and I would be a liar if I said I wasn't immeasurably proud of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by EricStratton
Even a blind dog can lick his balls from time to time.
Wow, I didn't think it possible, but there seems to be one person with a modicum of intelligence living in New Jersey. What wit!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by EricStratton
The Gun Control Act of 1968 eliminated mail order sale. As a lad, I ordered a .410 shotgun from Sears Guns were far more available then. My local drugstore sold ammunition, not an uncommon thing. And shootings were far less than today. What happened was the liberal cultural revolution of the '60's. Express yourself. I gotta be me.
The ties that bound, the unity of shared values were replaced with mocking. See that cruel person, David Letterman any night of the week - he's emblematic.
I could cite numerous incidents in my own locality, where the presence of firearms in the hands of responsible folks have prevented tragedy.
Let me ask you gun haters a hypothetical: you are on the sidewalk outside my house. I hear a ruckus, open the door, and see a perp threatening you and your family. When I get out my shotgun to protect you, do you dig your heels in, and tell me to go away? Answer that, please.
The problem isn't firearms, it's a destruction of values largely perpetrated by one of the major political parties in the craven interest of fatting themselves by keeping themselves in control. So corrupt. And the Yutes of America champion them. A Weimer Republic, Gulags, camps are around the corner. You bleeding sods, you are going to reap the consequences. I'm glad my days are short.
I absolutely agree. We HAVE to abolish the Republican Party, and if we can't, then a 2nd Amendment solution might be required.Quote:
Originally Posted by stuckincincy
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. Thomas Jefferson
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Originally Posted by OpIv37
Dude, since i've been here I think i've agreed with about 99.9% of the posts you've made. Good stuff!
Hear Hear!Quote:
Originally Posted by stuckincincy
Thanks! $43,000 increased debt every second of every hour of every day, 16T deficit, 100T plus debt, a Treasury printing press manufacturing 100 billion+ of worthless greenbacks a month based on nothing, a SS fund loaded with IOUs that get converted into phony government revenues, union-controlled colleges far outstripping the general rate of inflation, same for medical doctors, and so on.Quote:
Originally Posted by YankeeInRaleigh
We will probably be able to outrun the fall before me and wife croak. No expectation of (lousy) health care unless we burn our house down, toss a lifetime of frugality away and stick the cost on the backs of others. Those in their 20's through 50's are so, so, stupid. They are ***** themselves beyond belief. But that's the hope and change they voted for.
So we are glad that we lived in a time when one's efforts, the fruits of one's labor actually mattered. Our last act will be to give our meager holdings over to some foreign charity, so this government can't grab it to further insinuate themselves.
The young has lost the support of the old, and that's a critical thing.
Bon apetit! :dance2:
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Originally Posted by OpIv37
The school shooting will further add to the debate. A debate that must be had.
Having Guns in a civilized society is a paradox.Quote:
Originally Posted by OpIv37
If the society is really civilized (which were not by the way) then there would be no need for guns. (Disputes would be solved amicably)
If the society is not civilized, not mature enough to handle the responsibility, then allowing guns would be even more disastrous.
We live in a social mindset that is about 50- 100 years out of date! This is often referred to as Cultural Lag which is one of the major threats to human survival. Simply put, our technological ability to destroy ourselves and our planet has outgrown our ability to get along. As a result we live in a world where we fear a nuclear/biological attack from some nut job that lives in caves a few thousand miles away. We fear attack from other countries and competition from other states. We are afraid of the less fortunate and from those that society has shunned. We are even afraid from our neighbors, friends and sometimes loved ones. After all most murders are not random acts of violence, rather they are perpetrated by those we know.
*There is a reason why no American can go out and buy tanks, helicopters, high grade explosives, fighter jets, WMDs, etc.. If we are mature enough, trusted enough, and have a constitutional right to bear arms why does that right stop at guns?
In fact, when the assault weapons ban was in effect, firearms deaths were about half of what they were (are are again).Quote:
Originally Posted by DraftBoy
Gun deaths to surpass deaths in traffic accidents by 2015: report
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...#ixzz2G9s9FTCV
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Originally Posted by stuckincincy
Me too.
Op: Those are part of the issue, but the bigger picture is that the United States uses violence as official policy; we're using drones in at least half a dozen other countries, killing civilians more often than not. At least half of the states have some form of the death penalty(which puts us in some unique company with North Korea, China and Saudi Arabia; they have it as well). Also, we don't seem to have the "we're all in this together" mindset that is seen in so many other countries; here, it's almost a "I've got mine so F you!" attitude.Quote:
Originally Posted by OpIv37
I was in the Marines for 6 years, own several firearms, and will fight if anyone attempts to take my right away. The issue here is mental health. The fact that it is near impossible to get proper help for the mentally ill is a serious problem that should be addressed. Guns...are not the issue.