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More Carry-On Items Banned on Planes
I understand about being cautious, but this is getting ridiculous. We're not able to travel freely anymore. And forget about quick in and out at the airport. Between security (which I understand) now we have to check virtually everything we've packed. So much for carry-on bags. :down: And honestly, if a crazy person was going to blow up a plane, who's to say he/she wouldn't hide something in baby food?
In response to the elevated terror threat, the TSA has implemented the following security measures on all flights.
BANNED:
· Liquids or gels of any kind in carry-on luggage. Items must be checked.
· This includes all beverages, shampoo, suntan lotion, creams, tooth paste, hair gel, and other items of similar consistency.
ALLOWED:
· Baby formula, breast milk, or juice if a baby or child is traveling.
· Prescription medicine with a name that matches the passenger’s ticket, and insulin and essential other non-prescription medicines.
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It does suck but it's needed. I'd rather pack my toothpaste and other items in my checked bag than risk some terrorist blowing the airplane up.
Like was said in another thread: "welcome to the 21st century".
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Kills my plans for my trip to Buffalo. I am going carry-on only. Guess I will have to pick up toothpaste and shampoo on that end.
My question....if you have a small toothpaste tube in your picket, how would they know?? They don't xray your body? and you only empty pockets if you beep
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Originally Posted by ArcticWildMan
It does suck but it's needed. I'd rather pack my toothpaste and other items in my checked bag than risk some terrorist blowing the airplane up.
Like was said in another thread: "welcome to the 21st century".
if we're afraid of toothpaste, the terrorists have already won.
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You have to empty your pockets at the security checkpoints. That's been ongoing for a while. I wouldn't want to be you if you tried to sneak in that tube of toothpaste.
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Originally Posted by Valerie
[COLOR="DarkOrchid"][B]I understand about being cautious, but this is getting ridiculous. We're not able to travel freely anymore. And forget about quick in and out at the airport. Between security (which I understand) now we have to check virtually everything we've packed. So much for carry-on bags. :down: And honestly, if a crazy person was going to blow up a plane, who's to say he/she wouldn't hide something in baby food?
The security for food service personnel isn't all that thorough, either. Say you're boarding a plane in Detroit. Food service guy smuggles Suspicious Hair Gel plus Suspicious Toothpick Detonator onto plane. Islamic guy knows where to find the stuff after he boards, slips into his bag for further assembly either when he's doing potty, or when he has his head between his knees in the airline seat.
Dastardly!
Patti
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Originally Posted by LtFinFan66
Kills my plans for my trip to Buffalo. I am going carry-on only. Guess I will have to pick up toothpaste and shampoo on that end.
My question....if you have a small toothpaste tube in your picket, how would they know?? They don't xray your body? and you only empty pockets if you beep
that's why a lot of this security is worthless. It's just eye candy so some government executive can justify his six-figure salary with the outward appearance of security.
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Originally Posted by OpIv37
if we're afraid of toothpaste, the terrorists have already won.
Until they have the ability to test for these kinds of chemicals involved in this kind of plot, I'd rather they err on the side of caution.
I don't think having to check toothpaste is a "victory" for the terrorists. It's an annoyance but nothing more.
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Originally Posted by ArcticWildMan
You have to empty your pockets at the security checkpoints. That's been ongoing for a while. I wouldn't want to be you if you tried to sneak in that tube of toothpaste.
I thought they only made you empty pockets if you set off the metal detector
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i doubt that its needed and would bet its more likely a mainly psychological measure
but i wont complain about it because it will work itself out. we are getting smarter and dont just accept what we are told anymore, courtesy of king george
given that theyve continued to fail the penetration tests ill be interested to see if this helps them or not. my guess is no. we should know in about a year
but i can just imagine people in a room looking at each other for answers and coming up with this. now we have to wait for the roll to come to rest
btw - didnt they ask the heebs, those people know how to foil plane attacks
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Send all your stuff by UPS and pick it up at the hotel.
It's worth the $15.00 IMO
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Everybody *****ing about our security measures needs to fly on an El-Al fllight and undergo the screening that the Israelis put you through.
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I can picture the suitcase lobby fighting this but it would be nice if some regulations were put in to really limit what people drag down the aisles of an airplane.
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Originally Posted by ArcticWildMan
Until they have the ability to test for these kinds of chemicals involved in this kind of plot, I'd rather they err on the side of caution.
I don't think having to check toothpaste is a "victory" for the terrorists. It's an annoyance but nothing more.
one of the many annoyances that taken as a whole have changed our lifestyle- that's why it's a victory.
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Originally Posted by ArcticWildMan
Everybody *****ing about our security measures needs to fly on an El-Al fllight and undergo the screening that the Israelis put you through.
are you suggesting that the US is now as unsafe as Israel?
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no biggie really at least it will be quicker to board and un board airplanes, I assume ther will be little or no carry on baggage soon
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No, I'm saying that you would freak if you saw what the Israelis do for airline security.
You can ***** and moan about our security measures all you want but they are in place to keep us as safe as possible. I'll gladly pack my toothpaste in my checked baggage if it means we deny the crazies in the world a means to blow us up.
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Originally Posted by L.A. Playa
no biggie really at least it will be quicker to board and un board airplanes, I assume ther will be little or no carry on baggage soon
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Originally Posted by EricStratton
I can picture the suitcase lobby fighting this but it would be nice if some regulations were put in to really limit what people drag down the aisles of an airplane.
When we went to DC, some of the carry on bags were bigger than my main suitcase. I think carry on should be banned.
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Originally Posted by L.A. Playa
no biggie really at least it will be quicker to board and un board airplanes, I assume ther will be little or no carry on baggage soon
I disagree. I think it will take LONGER to get through security because if they see something that looks like lotion, toothpaste or shampoo in a carry-on, they'll have to inspect it by hand.
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That's my point, LA, you can't carry much of anything on the plane anymore. If I'm going away for a weekend trip and I only have one bag, I would prefer not to hassle with baggage claim. By checking bags, you're adding a lot of unneeded extra time and inconvenience, IMHO.
And, like I said, who's to say something won't be carried through in baby food? If you're going to ban my water, the baby's water should be banned too. I fully understand the need for safety precautions, but this is getting out of hand.
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We did a little test to see if we could get through security with lighters in our bags on our recent flights. We were able to get back with 4 of them. They found one on our flight home and that's it. Security at BWI was a joke.
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Originally Posted by ArcticWildMan
No, I'm saying that you would freak if you saw what the Israelis do for airline security.
You can ***** and moan about our security measures all you want but they are in place to keep us as safe as possible. I'll gladly pack my toothpaste in my checked baggage if it means we deny the crazies in the world a means to blow us up.
See, you're making the false assumption that these security measures actually keep us safer. Some of them do- some of them are just ridiculous.
You show me one piece of evidence that proves having our shoes X-rayed has prevented even ONE terrorist attack and I will never complain about having to remove my shoes in an airport again. Until then, it's a knee-jerk reaction to something one guy tried once and wasn't even successful.
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Hey Op, maybe you should take out a full page add in the NY Times or other national paper pleading to the terrorists to stop trying to develop new ways to blow us up because people can't carry toothpaste with them anymore. I'm sure they'll respect your wishes so they don't inconvenience you.
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Originally Posted by OpIv37
I disagree. I think it will take LONGER to get through security because if they see something that looks like lotion, toothpaste or shampoo in a carry-on, they'll have to inspect it by hand.
im talking about getting on and off a plane, all this is good for the economy. They will need to hire more TSA to enforce the new laws and more people will say screw it and buy travel size shampoo, toothpaste etc when tehy arrive at their destination, only problem is if you get stuck overnight somewhere you will have more smelly people on the plane
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Originally Posted by BAM
We did a little test to see if we could get through security with lighters in our bags on our recent flights. We were able to get back with 4 of them. They found one on our flight home and that's it. Security at BWI was a joke.
my point exactly- it's a big hassle without making us safer. Either make us safer, or don't hassle us- but don't inconvenience everyone unless there's some benefit.
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Originally Posted by OpIv37
See, you're making the false assumption that these security measures actually keep us safer. Some of them do- some of them are just ridiculous.
You show me one piece of evidence that proves having our shoes X-rayed has prevented even ONE terrorist attack and I will never complain about having to remove my shoes in an airport again. Until then, it's a knee-jerk reaction to something one guy tried once and wasn't even successful.
The fact that there haven't been any other attempts via a shoe bomb proves that it works don't you think? :idea:
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I have to say, I hate taking my shoes off too. I usually don't wear socks so I'm barefoot. When I went to NY a few weeks ago, there was a man in front of me with his shoes off. His feet were sweating so badly, he left footprints. I was disgusted to have to walk behind in on his wet, gross footprints. It's unsanitary!
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Originally Posted by ArcticWildMan
Hey Op, maybe you should take out a full page add in the NY Times or other national paper pleading to the terrorists to stop trying to develop new ways to blow us up because people can't carry toothpaste with them anymore. I'm sure they'll respect your wishes so they don't inconvenience you.
maybe we should find out if terrorists are actually trying to put explosives in toothpast tubes or if it's even possible to put enough explosives in a toothpaste tube to damage an airliner or maybe we should find other ways to detect explosives besides all-out banning things.
And if toothpaste tubes are so dangerous why are they allowed on airplanes even in carry-on luggage? Ever heard of remote detonation?
or better yet- maybe we should treat the root causes of terrorism instead of the symptoms.
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Originally Posted by ArcticWildMan
The fact that there haven't been any other attempts via a shoe bomb proves that it works don't you think? :idea:
or maybe it proves that the shoe bomb idea wasn't a very good one in the first place so the terrorists abandoned it.
The Simpsons explains it best:
Homer: Well, there's not a bear in sight. The Bear Patrol is sure doing its job.
Lisa: That's specious reasoning, Dad.
Homer: Thank you, sweetie.
Lisa: Dad, what if I were to tell you that this rock keeps away tigers.
Homer: Uh-huh, and how does it work?
Lisa: It doesn't work. It's just a stupid rock.
Homer: I see.
Lisa: But you don't see any tigers around, do you?
Homer: Lisa, I'd like to buy your rock.
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I figure a good Terror scare is deflecting the American attention from some other issue
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Originally Posted by OpIv37
maybe we should find out if terrorists are actually trying to put explosives in toothpast tubes or if it's even possible to put enough explosives in a toothpaste tube to damage an airliner or maybe we should find other ways to detect explosives besides all-out banning things.
And if toothpaste tubes are so dangerous why are they allowed on airplanes even in carry-on luggage? Ever heard of remote detonation?
or better yet- maybe we should treat the root causes of terrorism instead of the symptoms.
As an FAA employee I'll clue you in on something.....ALL checked baggage is screened for explosives. Explosives leave a residue that these machines can pick up. Your carry on isn't screened, thus the reason for this latest attempt.
An actual threat and the means to impliment it has been identified and you ***** because you can't carry your precious tube of toothpaste on board. Talk about a selfish attitude. OP doesn't like it so it's a stupid idea. Ride a freaking train if it bothers you that much.
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If that's the case, AWM, why can't they screen the carry-on bags the same way they do for checked bags? They're already running them through an x-ray machine.
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it would take too long and inconvience people like OP
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Because that machine is somewhere in the bowels of the airport (nowhere near the customer check-in) and it would add HOURS to check-in if every single person had to surrender their carry on bags to have the machine sniff it.
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Which kinda is my point. Airports are notorious for losing luggage and since I am a travler who rarely checks my bags, it not only annoys me that I have to but it scares me that when I get off the plane at my destination I won't have any of my stuff.
And, we're not just talking about toothpaste. I have a make-up bag, already packed with full size shampoo, conditioner, gel, toothpaste, deoderant, etc. That's a lot of stuff that now has to be checked. And now I have to waste time dealing with baggage claim.
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Originally Posted by Valerie
That's my point, LA, you can't carry much of anything on the plane anymore. If I'm going away for a weekend trip and I only have one bag, I would prefer not to hassle with baggage claim. By checking bags, you're adding a lot of unneeded extra time and inconvenience, IMHO.
And, like I said, who's to say something won't be carried through in baby food? If you're going to ban my water, the baby's water should be banned too. I fully understand the need for safety precautions, but this is getting out of hand.
so frikkin' what?? boo frikkin hoo....you can't carry your toiletries on a plane...it is a plane ride for crying out loud...read a book, a newspaper or take a nap...why do people think that the inside of the plane is equivalent to their bedroom?? almost all plane flights (save the ones AWM take) are less than three hours...can't American's make it without putting on make up, sucking down a Starbucks or yacking on the phone for three frikkin' hours? Pathetic.
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Originally Posted by Valerie
Which kinda is my point. Airports are notorious for losing luggage and since I am a travler who rarely checks my bags, it not only annoys me that I have to but it scares me that when I get off the plane at my destination I won't have any of my stuff.
And, we're not just talking about toothpaste. I have a make-up bag, already packed with full size shampoo, conditioner, gel, toothpaste, deoderant, etc. That's a lot of stuff that now has to be checked. And now I have to waste time dealing with baggage claim.
notorious?? I have probably flown over 250 times in my life...cannot get to any where from Buffalo without a connection...probably made it through 700 take offs and landings in my life...never lost one bag of luggage...even when our bag was "lost" in Kiev, Ukraine it was eventually found (in less than 24 hours) and made it's way to where we were staying in Donetsk.
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It sucks but unfortunately we live in a world where people think it's their religious duty to try and kill us. Until we evolve into the kind of world that Star Trek portrayed (world peace), this is just the way things are going to be.
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i flew in July and American Airlines lost my luggage, they had it at my door step 7 hours later. It wasn't a big deal, and I went to the store and bought myself some cool clothes just in case it didn't arrive in time.
if that's not the glass half full I don't know what is.
Imbondz :hi5: Imbondz
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Originally Posted by ArcticWildMan
As an FAA employee I'll clue you in on something.....ALL checked baggage is screened for explosives. Explosives leave a residue that these machines can pick up. Your carry on isn't screened, thus the reason for this latest attempt.
An actual threat and the means to impliment it has been identified and you ***** because you can't carry your precious tube of toothpaste on board. Talk about a selfish attitude. OP doesn't like it so it's a stupid idea. Ride a freaking train if it bothers you that much.
well why does the machine have to be in the "bowels" of the airport? Why can't they build the equipment into the x-ray machines?
We're so afraid of these guys that we're banning TOOTHPASTE and that doesn't bother you? We're a deodorant ban away from being France.
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Originally Posted by Ebenezer
notorious?? I have probably flown over 250 times in my life...cannot get to any where from Buffalo without a connection...probably made it through 700 take offs and landings in my life...never lost one bag of luggage...even when our bag was "lost" in Kiev, Ukraine it was eventually found (in less than 24 hours) and made it's way to where we were staying in Donetsk.
I never lost a bag in my life until Christmas of this year- they lost it going into Puerto Rico and took about 30 hours getting it back to me. Then on my very next trip, they lost it in Australia and took about 8 hours getting it back to me.
There was a report earlier this year about how there has been a huge increase in lost luggage recently.
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Originally Posted by OpIv37
well why does the machine have to be in the "bowels" of the airport? Why can't they build the equipment into the x-ray machines?
We're so afraid of these guys that we're banning TOOTHPASTE and that doesn't bother you? We're a deodorant ban away from being France.
:rolleyes: explain to me again why we need toothpaste on an airplane? they don't serve food any more and if you suffer from hallitosis that is that bad you aren't going to pick up anybody on the airplane anyway.
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Originally Posted by L.A. Playa
is Eb on steroids ??
why?
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just have noticed a more aggressive tone in your posts
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Originally Posted by Ebenezer
so frikkin' what?? boo frikkin hoo....you can't carry your toiletries on a plane...it is a plane ride for crying out loud...read a book, a newspaper or take a nap...why do people think that the inside of the plane is equivalent to their bedroom?? almost all plane flights (save the ones AWM take) are less than three hours...can't American's make it without putting on make up, sucking down a Starbucks or yacking on the phone for three frikkin' hours? Pathetic.
Checking baggage is a HUGE hassle- at Dulles it takes like an hour to get your checked bags because the terminals are remote from the main building.
And she's talking about TOILETRIES, not Starbucks or cell phones. Who the **** are these ****ing terrorists to tell US what we can and can't take on planes?
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Originally Posted by L.A. Playa
just have noticed a more aggressive tone in your posts
sick of the persistant whining going on lately...that's all.
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Originally Posted by OpIv37
Checking baggage is a HUGE hassle- at Dulles it takes like an hour to get your checked bags because the terminals are remote from the main building.
And she's talking about TOILETRIES, not Starbucks or cell phones. Who the **** are these ****ing terrorists to tell US what we can and can't take on planes?
flying is popular...lots of people - lots of bags...the safety of the whole flight takes precedence over the luxury of a few...check the bags...and again, why do you need to carry ANYTHING on a plane??
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Originally Posted by Ebenezer
:rolleyes: explain to me again why we need toothpaste on an airplane? they don't serve food any more and if you suffer from hallitosis that is that bad you aren't going to pick up anybody on the airplane anyway.
ever take a 15 hour flight to Australia? Ever been stuck in an airport for 20 hours because of a storm? Ever have an airline lose your luggage and you have no toothpaste when you get to the destination, then you have to spend YOUR time and YOUR money looking for it? Frequent business travelers ALWAYS carry toiletries on the plane for precisely these scenarios.
and again: we are letting the terrorists dictate our actions. Regardless of how minor the change is, they are changing the way we do things and we shouldn't be allowing that to happen.
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Originally Posted by OpIv37
well why does the machine have to be in the "bowels" of the airport? Why can't they build the equipment into the x-ray machines?
We're so afraid of these guys that we're banning TOOTHPASTE and that doesn't bother you? We're a deodorant ban away from being France.
Sure, that's it, just snap your fingers and "build it into" an X-ray machine. Never mind that the machine they use to sniff for explosives is quite large and complex. We'll just slap it on the nearest X-ray machine so everybody can be happy.
Op, you're losing any rational thought, give it up buddy.