Just talked with a source about Gailey's future and QB in draft

Just talked with a source within the NFL and he told me that he doesn't think Gailey keeps his job following the season and has heard that the Bills are high on Arkansas QB Tyler Wilson.

Sounds like BS. Who's high on Tyler Wilson? Gailey? Or the next football coach? If Gailey is let go, probably so will Nix. Many of the scouts and most of the coaches will be donzo. Yet, their "high" on Wilson? Yawn.

I don't think Buddy will be fired if he has the balls to fire Gailey.

Obviously you trust him/her quite a bit to post this, how connected would you consider this source T-long?

On a separate note, Wilson is projected to go in the mid-first round. Right around where we should be picking.

That's interesting. If true, it's a bit surprising actually. I don't expect Nix is on a hotseat, but I really didn't think Gailey was either.

This is a very trusted source....I don't have many these days now that I have 3 kids and barely have time to go to the bathroom myself. But I 100% trust this guy...he is very well connected, especially with the Bills.

He is under the impression that Nix stays but Gailey will go barring a 4-1 or 5-0 finish. Ralph trusts Nix but also knows how bad for business keeping Gailey will be.

I personally thought both would be back, but I guess we will wait and see.

Can't comment on the Gailey thing, but...Wilson is a VERY highly though of QB prospect among NFL eval guys, fans have him under rated. No doubt Bills are interested, expect him to be a Bills visitor at OBD without a doubt.

I hope he's right. Getting a new coach and a new QB are two biggest steps in turning the ship around.

For short term gain, even possibly going to the playoff next year, you keep Gailey. For long term bigger things, you get a new HC.

Fitz, regardless what Gailey and Nix said this past week, is certainly on the list to be upgraded. I don't know why fans/wgr hosts are so up in arms about having to hear Gailey/Nix to make any statement about Fitz NOW. If you are people management business, and just cannot act like a fan and throw emotion left and right.

If I'm Nix, I'd have to line up candidates before I fire Gailey. And I'd prefer minimum philosophical changes both offensively or defensively.

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Originally Posted by DraftBoy

Can't comment on the Gailey thing, but...Wilson is a VERY highly though of QB prospect among NFL eval guys, fans have him under rated. No doubt Bills are interested, expect him to be a Bills visitor at OBD without a doubt.

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You could he could could just into the top 7-8 picks? Lots of teams need QB's and after Geno there is not clear cut "leader" among the rest of the QB's to be the 2nd QB picked.

I still don't believe you reach for a QB. Just remember picking a wrong guy is worse than not picking one.

I really believe Nix went the safe route not picking a development QB, and I believe it's about to change this time around. But if there is a almost sure fire MLB in the 1st round that can transform this defense into a stingy, top 5 one, you have to go this route.

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Originally Posted by Slim

You could he could could just into the top 7-8 picks? Lots of teams need QB's and after Geno there is not clear cut "leader" among the rest of the QB's to be the 2nd QB picked.

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Yes I could.

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Originally Posted by ghz in pittsburgh

For short term gain, even possibly going to the playoff next year, you keep Gailey. For long term bigger things, you get a new HC.

Fitz, regardless what Gailey and Nix said this past week, is certainly on the list to be upgraded. I don't know why fans/wgr hosts are so up in arms about having to hear Gailey/Nix to make any statement about Fitz NOW. If you are people management business, and just cannot act like a fan and throw emotion left and right.

If I'm Nix, I'd have to line up candidates before I fire Gailey. And I'd prefer minimum philosophical changes both offensively or defensively.

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What the hell makes you think Gailey can get this team to make the playoffs next year?

At this point, whatever.

T-Long I trust what you say. You are one of the few I actually do.
Makes a ton of sense in my book. I can't see how the Bills will keep Gailey after this season.
The interesting thing will be who is the next coach?

I really like Tyler Wilson a lot, I think the Arkansas situation was just a mess this year. They were a top 10 team going in. The I'd can throw the rock no doubt and I luv his attitude..... Sort of Cutler like....

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Originally Posted by tampabay25690

T-Long I trust what you say. You are one of the few I actually do.
Makes a ton of sense in my book. I can't see how the Bills will keep Gailey after this season.
The interesting thing will be who is the next coach?

I really like Tyler Wilson a lot, I think the Arkansas situation was just a mess this year. They were a top 10 team going in. The I'd can throw the rock no doubt and I luv his attitude..... Sort of Cutler like....

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I was just about to post just about everything you've said. I've know T-Long a long time and while he's no Pat Moran (j/k), I've never known him to post BS and it all does make sense. Nix has a team that can win, but there's two major flaws, QB and coach. Retaining Gailey would kill a lot of fan support and it goes the same for Fitz.
I've been high on Tyler Wilson since the season started, he's big, tough and has a strong arm, he has the physical tools and his faults can be corrected with coaching and patience. Some rankings have him ahead of Barkley and just behind Smith. He will not last to the 2nd round and while a stud LB sounds good, this team needs a QB that can put points on the board, a top 5 or 10 defense doesn't do any good if you can't score, look at Arizona. This is not the 80's you need an offense to win.

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Originally Posted by T-Long

Just talked with a source within the NFL and he told me that he doesn't think Gailey keeps his job following the season and has heard that the Bills are high on Arkansas QB Tyler Wilson.

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I think Gailey does keep his job as long as Nix keeps his, and I've heard they really like E.J. Manuel of Florida St. I'm not certain that they draft a QB earlier than the 2nd round though. It depends strongly on who they have graded highest regardless of position on their draft board when they pick in the first round. They have been pretty consistent in that respect since Nix took over as GM. JMO

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Originally Posted by T-Long

He is under the impression that Nix stays but Gailey will go barring a 4-1 or 5-0 finish. Ralph trusts Nix but also knows how bad for business keeping Gailey will be.

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This more than anything screams of being true.

Ralph doesn't approach things in terms of what is good for the football organization.

He also historically only does just enough to keep the horde buying tickets.

and we lap it up... year after year. Just look at this thread. Some are already wondering about our next coach and what QB were going to draft.

Until Bills fans smarten up... we'll get the team we deserve.

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Originally Posted by kishoph

I was just about to post just about everything you've said. I've know T-Long a long time and while he's no Pat Moran (j/k), I've never known him to post BS and it all does make sense. Nix has a team that can win, but there's two major flaws, QB and coach. Retaining Gailey would kill a lot of fan support and it goes the same for Fitz.
I've been high on Tyler Wilson since the season started, he's big, tough and has a strong arm, he has the physical tools and his faults can be corrected with coaching and patience. Some rankings have him ahead of Barkley and just behind Smith. He will not last to the 2nd round and while a stud LB sounds good, this team needs a QB that can put points on the board, a top 5 or 10 defense doesn't do any good if you can't score, look at Arizona. This is not the 80's you need an offense to win.

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I'd prefer taking Te'o if he's there then trading back into the first for a QB if necessary.

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Originally Posted by ghz in pittsburgh

I still don't believe you reach for a QB. Just remember picking a wrong guy is worse than not picking one.

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100% nonsense!!!

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Originally Posted by ghz in pittsburgh

For short term gain, even possibly going to the playoff next year, you keep Gailey.

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1000% NONSENSE!!!

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Originally Posted by ghz in pittsburgh

I still don't believe you reach for a QB. Just remember picking a wrong guy is worse than not picking one.

I really believe Nix went the safe route not picking a development QB, and I believe it's about to change this time around. But if there is a almost sure fire MLB in the 1st round that can transform this defense into a stingy, top 5 one, you have to go this route.

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Right, and anyone who has paid attention to how this team has drafted the last 3 draft years, knows the Bills wont reach for a QB. I don't think position is really as important to Nix as grade of the prospect in relation to the Bills when drafting. I have yet to see this team draft a first rounder based on need since Gailey and Nix took over. JMO

You should never draft based on need. You go with the top player on your board regardless IMO. I do want a QB btw

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Originally Posted by T-Long

Just talked with a source within the NFL and he told me that he doesn't think Gailey keeps his job following the season and has heard that the Bills are high on Arkansas QB Tyler Wilson.

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I trust you. And I'm not questioning that you heard that. It just doesn't make much sense for Nix to come out as so vehemently defend Chan by saying you cant keep blowing it up, stay the course, etc... And then be planning to fire him.

Why wouldn't Nix just keep quiet on Chan or say they will look at everything in the off-season? Why go so far to extremes to tell everyone that he is staying and that keeping him is the right move for the future?

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Originally Posted by X-Era

I trust you. And I'm not questioning that you heard that. It just doesn't make much sense for Nix to come out as so vehemently defend Chan by saying you cant keep blowing it up, stay the course, etc... And then be planning to fire him.

Why wouldn't Nix just keep quiet on Chan or say they will look at everything in the off-season? Why go so far to extremes to tell everyone that he is staying and that keeping him is the right move for the future?

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The old tried & true vote of confidence. Happens every year to Coaches about to be fired.

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Originally Posted by X-Era

I trust you. And I'm not questioning that you heard that. It just doesn't make much sense for Nix to come out as so vehemently defend Chan by saying you cant keep blowing it up, stay the course, etc... And then be planning to fire him.

Why wouldn't Nix just keep quiet on Chan or say they will look at everything in the off-season? Why go so far to extremes to tell everyone that he is staying and that keeping him is the right move for the future?

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I'll even take this argument a step further, he also defends Gailey's stance on Fitzpatrick pretty heavily every time he comes on WGR550. I don't think Gailey is going anywhere unless the Bills completely fall apart in the last 5 games of the season. I think the Bills front office is pretty serious about staying the course this time around. Gailey could very well be this team's last head coach under Ralph Wilson Jr. JMO

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Originally Posted by X-Era

I trust you. And I'm not questioning that you heard that. It just doesn't make much sense for Nix to come out as so vehemently defend Chan by saying you cant keep blowing it up, stay the course, etc... And then be planning to fire him.

Why wouldn't Nix just keep quiet on Chan or say they will look at everything in the off-season? Why go so far to extremes to tell everyone that he is staying and that keeping him is the right move for the future?

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There probably has been an internal ultimatum issued...finish at 8-8 or better, or he's gone. As long as the goal is still attainable, Nix would have to support Gailey until he completely fails.

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Originally Posted by YardRat

There probably has been an internal ultimatum issued...finish at 8-8 or better, or he's gone. As long as the goal is still attainable, Nix would have to support Gailey until he completely fails.

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That's it right there... No matter what NIx has defined as his gauge (palyoffs, 8-8, etc), he's not gonna put himself in the position of being a stumbling block for Gailey until the goal is no longer attainable... ESPECIALLY if they're friends. Hell... Even the playoffs are not out of the question yet!

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Originally Posted by YardRat

There probably has been an internal ultimatum issued...finish at 8-8 or better, or he's gone. As long as the goal is still attainable, Nix would have to support Gailey until he completely fails.

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In the context of the OP, this makes the most sense, imho.
I wouldn't rule out Nix making a serious move for a QB, either. Providing he has him graded around where the pick is that he moves to, I think he will be prepared to do it, even if it means giving up a bunch of other picks.
Nix might be somewhat conservative in respect of the draft, and making moves, but as he showed with Mario, if he thinks it is the right move and player, he's not afraid to pull the trigger.
For all that results aren't showing it, I believe that Nix has improved the roster an awful lot in his time here, and if he can hang on to Byrd and Levitre etc. as well, he will be doing pretty much what he said he was going to do.

As regards the coaching situation, I'm still somewhat on the fence. With a better QB, or better QB play, we could possibly have been at 7-4, rather than 4-7. I also am starting to come around to how the D is improving, and I wonder if a coaching change wouldn't necessarily cause too much disruption - unless the new coaches do run similar schemes, more particularly on D.

We don't just need a QB in the draft, we also need a good WR. If Nelson had been healthy, we might have done a bit better, but atm our WR corps is awfully thin, and it still doesn't look too promising, even with Nelson back. I suppose another QB might actually be able to hit Graham down the field, so that might reduce the need somewhat, but it still doesn't look great.

While I think Bradham is coming along nicely, we also still need a better LB in there, who is good in coverage, and CB is also going to be on the list.

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Originally Posted by X-Era

I trust you. And I'm not questioning that you heard that. It just doesn't make much sense for Nix to come out as so vehemently defend Chan by saying you cant keep blowing it up, stay the course, etc... And then be planning to fire him.

Why wouldn't Nix just keep quiet on Chan or say they will look at everything in the off-season? Why go so far to extremes to tell everyone that he is staying and that keeping him is the right move for the future?

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Nix stays silent the rumors start flying weeks ago and every day is a distraction. Him remaining strong in his defense is nothing to read into. Strictly PR.

However, lol if the Bills lose today, it will be really hard for them to not explore other options at HC. Just saying. Jacksonville is 2-9.

Why wouldn't Nix defend Gailey? He's the one that hired him and wants to see him succeed more than anyone. As slim as it may be at this point, as long as the Bills still have a chance to finish with a winning record and make the playoffs Nix isn't going to do or say anything to undermine him. Nix probably still wants to keep Gailey regardless of how this season finishes, but may be forced to fire him simply due to the fact that he won't be able to sell him to the fans for another season.

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Originally Posted by YardRat

There probably has been an internal ultimatum issued...finish at 8-8 or better, or he's gone. As long as the goal is still attainable, Nix would have to support Gailey until he completely fails.

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Sure. But he can issue the ultimatum in private but doesn't have to go to the lengths he does defending Gailey and talking about change being bad.

He could have done thing without the WGR rant.

For those advocating the Bills keeping Gailey and Fitz, the stadium has 40,000-50,000 empty seats today. Ticket sales will plummet in 2013 if obvious changes aren't made.

The Bills will beat the 2 win Jags... but can't beat anyone good and will finish below .500 again.

This act has been played for 13 years and the locals who buy tickets obviously aren't buying this dreck anymore. They want a winner and could care less how satisfied the Bills are with the bottom line.

i would stay away from , manuel, geno, and barkley....i like what i see in tyler wilson and landry jones..even nesssib from cuse has played solid

Gailey can **** off and i hope Nix gives it to Whaley

We crushed the great Jaguars. We don't need to make any changes.

Step one.

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Originally Posted by Novacane

We crushed the great Jaguars. We don't need to make any changes.

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The sad thing is that this is probably how Wilson and the front office actually think.

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Originally Posted by TrEd FTW

The sad thing is that this is probably how Wilson and the front office actually think.

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I don't doubt it. I wish them good luck selling that to the fans.

We're good at besting the crap teams but the fans aren't buying it anymore. Just because we beat up a 9 loss team does not mean we've made improvements.

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Originally Posted by Night Train

For those advocating the Bills keeping Gailey and Fitz, the stadium has 40,000-50,000 empty seats today. Ticket sales will plummet in 2013 if obvious changes aren't made.

The Bills will beat the 2 win Jags... but can't beat anyone good and will finish below .500 again.

This act has been played for 13 years and the locals who buy tickets obviously aren't buying this dreck anymore. They want a winner and could care less how satisfied the Bills are with the bottom line.

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Here is the problem no one wants to talk about though. The unfortunate reality here is that this team doesn't listen to it's fans. We have a GM and front office that think fans don't know crap. This same record is played virtually every year. After the Bills collapse, there's always that contingent of fans crying bloody murder, and at the beginning of every new season they go right back, and the first few home games are sold out again. All the Bills have to do is get rid of an assistant coach, sign a big name player, promise change, and the fans will eat it right up. It's worked for the past 12 years, and until all 16 games are blacked out, that formula is not likely to change no matter how disgusted we get. Just saying.

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Originally Posted by Extremebillsfan247

Here is the problem no one wants to talk about though. The unfortunate reality here is that this team doesn't listen to it's fans. We have a GM and front office that think fans don't know crap. This same record is played virtually every year. After the Bills collapse, there's always that contingent of fans crying bloody murder, and at the beginning of every new season they go right back, and the first few home games are sold out again. All the Bills have to do is get rid of an assistant coach, sign a big name player, promise change, and the fans will eat it right up. It's worked for the past 12 years, and until all 16 games are blacked out, that formula is not likely to change no matter how disgusted we get. Just saying.

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In the last 10 years have we kept the HC instead of firing him after 3 years? Instead we do what you didn't mention which is to blow it up, have a horrible year 1, a mediocre year 2 and 3 and then start all over again. When will that end? Is it absolutely ridiculous to add a few more pieces and keep the HC for one more year and see if that works? If we end up 8 and 8 this year?

We should be thinking of what's the best solution. Yet it seems we might be demanding drastic change just out of anger. And even if keeping Gailey for another year is a data point we don't have, it's something new... Why is it not true that if you do what you've always done, you get what you've always got?

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Originally Posted by X-Era

In the last 10 years have we kept the HC instead of firing him after 3 years? Instead we do what you didn't mention which is to blow it up, have a horrible year 1, a mediocre year 2 and 3 and then start all over again. When will that end?

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You're right. Too bad Gregg Williams isn't still here.

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Originally Posted by FunTimesYaY!

You're right. Too bad Gregg Williams isn't still here.

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I'm glad he's gone.

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Originally Posted by X-Era

I'm glad he's gone.

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We could have kept him for that magic continuity of mediocrity you want us to have.

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Originally Posted by FunTimesYaY!

We could have kept him for that magic continuity of mediocrity you want us to have.

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And we didn't... A data point we never collected.

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Originally Posted by X-Era

And we didn't... A data point we never collected.

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We didn't for a reason. Just like we didn't with Jauron. Just like we shouldn't with this guy who's worse than Gregg and Jauron.

None are good enough.

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Originally Posted by FunTimesYaY!

We didn't for a reason. Just like we didn't with Jauron. Just like we shouldn't with this guy who's worse than Gregg and Jauron.

None are good enough.

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And if Gailey becomes the first HC to even get us to 8 and 8 or better since 2004? You say none were good enough yet none have had that 4th year either.

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Originally Posted by X-Era

And if Gailey becomes the first HC to even get us to 8 and 8 or better since 2004? Or even the only HC since Levy and the one 2004 year with Mularkey to take us to 9 and 7?

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If ifs and buts were candy and nuts we'd all have a Merry Christmas.

9-7 ain't happening. 8-8 likely isn't either.

So that's great, Gailey inherits Jaurons' perennial 7-9 squads and takes 3 years to get them back to 7-9 and this is some kind of awesomeness that should keep him around longer! Not too mention his coaching staff choices, his play calling, his gameplans and his in game adjustments that are all terrible.

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Originally Posted by Night Train

For those advocating the Bills keeping Gailey and Fitz, the stadium has 40,000-50,000 empty seats today. Ticket sales will plummet in 2013 if obvious changes aren't made.

The Bills will beat the 2 win Jags... but can't beat anyone good and will finish below .500 again.

This act has been played for 13 years and the locals who buy tickets obviously aren't buying this dreck anymore. They want a winner and could care less how satisfied the Bills are with the bottom line.

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No, more like 20,000. Huge difference.