Redskins Giving up on 2012 Season

Here is a real life example of a team giving up on a season which leads to tanking it... After their loss today Redskins are 3-6 putting them in a position where they will have to win out in order to make playoffs. They are trowing in the White Towel.


"Giving up on 2012" "Looking at 2013" or "throwing in the white towel" means not giving a **** about how many more games they Win, thus winning is no longer the goal but player evaluation which is another way to tank the last half of the season.

***For those of you who believe that coaches and players never quite and always try to win.... your wrong***

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Originally Posted by Mike

Here is a real life example of a team giving up on a season which leads to tanking it... After their loss today Redskins are 3-6 putting them in a position where they will have to win out in order to make playoffs. They are trowing in the White Towel.


"Giving up on 2012" "Looking at 2013" or "throwing in the white towel" means not giving a **** about how many more games they Win, thus winning is no longer the goal but player evaluation which is another way to tank the last half of the season.

***For those of you who believe that coaches and players never quite and always try to win.... your wrong***

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Prove it.

This is why other leagues have draft lotteries. Shanahan is safe as head coach. No matter how this season ends he will not be fired. So what will he do? Player evaluation = playing rookies and second year players which will pile on the losses.

***This is what happens in other leagues as well when a team has no chance at a meaningful season, the players, coaches, etc pack it in which is exactly why they have draft lotteries.

No link. Speculation.

Thank you again Mike for the waste of bandwidth and also how even if you meant to implement the Bills should do the same, you didn't even mention it.

Moron, Spam zone please.

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Originally Posted by Joe Fo Sho

Prove it.

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How?

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Originally Posted by ServoBillieves

No link. Speculation.

Thank you again Mike for the waste of bandwidth and also how even if you meant to implement the Bills should do the same, you didn't even mention it.

Moron, Spam zone please.

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http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000090015/article/mike-shanahan-washington-redskins-looking-to-2013

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http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000090015/article/mike-shanahan-washington-redskins-looking-to-2013

They don't even have anything to gain by "giving up" anyway.

The Rams have their first round pick.

So what's the point in "giving up" from their perspective?

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Originally Posted by ServoBillieves

No link. Speculation.

Thank you again Mike for the waste of bandwidth and also how even if you meant to implement the Bills should do the same, you didn't even mention it.

Moron, Spam zone please.

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You are one of those nieve people that dont really know how life works...
This is the byproduct of your education and lack of knowledge of history and direct real world experience.

Presidents have been bought and sold!!! And you dont think an NFL team will not care about losing an extra game or two in an otherwise meaningless season. The naiveté is astounding.

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Originally Posted by FunTimesYaY!

They don't even have anything to gain by "giving up" anyway.

The Rams have their first round pick.

So what's the point in "giving up" from their perspective?

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People dont always give up because they something to gain. Usually people give up when they have nothing to gain which is the case here. Now imagine if they had something to gain by giving up! That much more incentive.

you do know that the skins don't have a pick in round 1 next year right?

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Originally Posted by Mike

People dont always give up because they something to gain. Usually people give up when they have nothing to gain which is the case here. Now imagine if they had something to gain! That much more incentive.

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This doesn't even make any sense. This thread is horrible. And has no premise or point.

Evaluating your roster isn't giving up, it's evaluating the roster. Them tanking, purposefully, has no gain for them.

And if they are giving up...are they in collusion with the Rams organization to get St Louis a better draft pick?

:rofl:

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Originally Posted by FunTimesYaY!

This doesn't even make any sense. This thread is horrible. And has no premise or point.

Evaluating your roster isn't giving up, it's evaluating the roster. Them tanking, purposefully, has no gain for them.

And if they are giving up...are they in collusion with the Rams organization to get St Louis a better draft pick?

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READ THE ARTICLE!!!!

Mike Shanahan: "Washington Redskins looking to 2013"

"After being manhandled by the Panthers, Shanahan essentially has thrown in the towel on 2012."

WRITER POINTS OUT "It's a little alarming to hear this when the Redskins have seven games left in this season."

FLETCHER THEN SAYS IN REGARDS TO STARTING 3-6: "You see who really wants to play football." Implying that players GIVE UP when faced with a 3-6 start.

THE POINT IS THAT PLAYERS, COACHES, ETC... GIVE UP ON A SEASON WHEN THEY START SLOW EVEN WHEN THEY DONT HAVE SOMETHING TO GAIN.

NOW IMAGINE IF THEY HAD SOMETHING TO GAIN LIKE DRAFT PICS OR A TOP5 PIC OR A PLAYER LIKE LUCK!

CONTINUOUSLY JUST ABOUT EVERYONE ON THIS BOARD HAS SAID NO TEAM WOULD EVER GIVE UP, PLAYERS WOULD GIVE A 100% EVEN WHEN 3-6 TO SAVE THEIR JOBS....OBVIOUSLY THAT IS NOT THE CASE COACHES AND PLAYERS GIVE UP....

.....WINS ARE LEFT ON THE TABLE

You read the article.

"Shanahan said the rest of the season will become an evaluation for next year, according to Rich Campbell of The Washington Times."

EVALUATING THE ROSTER IS NOT THROWING GAMES.

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Originally Posted by FunTimesYaY!

You read the article.

"Shanahan said the rest of the season will become an evaluation for next year, according to Rich Campbell of The Washington Times."

EVALUATING THE ROSTER IS NOT THROWING GAMES.

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You obviously cant read between the lines.

What they are talking about here is simple:

They are not doing everything in their power to WIN. WINS are left on the Table. Some of the players are 'throwing in the white towel' as are the coaches.

What this means is that winning is no longer the goal! Instead of kicking the tying 22 yard FG they will go for it... Player evaluation = preseason!

They will be leaving WINS on the table.. ie not giving a 100%.

*And these are Their words: 'throwing in the towel' 'giving up on 2012' not mine! The Author of the piece finds this Alarming for a reason...

-----And you dont think a losing Team that has something to gain would ever do the same thing? Leave WINS on the table ala 2012 Colts??? Really lol---

Lmao. Redskins first team to throw their season so another team can draft 1st overall with their pick.

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Originally Posted by Crisis

Lmao. Redskins first team to throw their season so another team can draft 1st overall with their pick.

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Such a generous organization.

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Originally Posted by Mike

How?

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You tell me, you're the one making the argument...and it's ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by FunTimesYaY!

"People dont always give up because they something to gain. Usually people give up when they have nothing to gain which is the case here. Now imagine if they had something to gain! That much more incentive."

This doesn't even make any sense.
Yes it does make sense. Lets say that you are a surgeon in France taking home $150,000 Euro/yr and after paying a 40% and working 15hrs/wk. Would you instead work 25hrs per week still take home $150,000 Euro/yr after paying much more in taxes?

Most people would be giving up those extra hours because they have nothing to gain. In the same way NFL players would not put in the extra time, effort, and risk injury


This thread is horrible. And has no premise or point.

Just because it goes against the grain does not mean its horrible. You guys are disappointed because of your high expectations. God forbid anyone ever expressed an opinion that goes against the grain and challenges your opinions....

Evaluating your roster isn't giving up, it's evaluating the roster.

Its giving up on winning. When a team says we are evaluating the rost for the rest of the season what do you think they are talking about???? They are saying, winning is no longer the Goal. They are saying that they will treat the rest of the season like a Preseason... thats what it means.

Them tanking, purposefully, has no gain for them.

Do teams lose games in the Preseason on Purpose??? Probably NOT but winning is irrelevant The goal is player evaluation and development. Winning is not the goal.

And if they are giving up...are they in collusion with the Rams organization to get St Louis a better draft pick?

Your reaching here... Like I stated before, most often giving up is a psychological response to extreem adversity. Generally, when human being know they dont have much of a choice for something better, when their opportunity is limited they give up. There does not need to be a benefit to giving up. Giving up is its own mental relief, its its own benefit.

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Between Mitch and Mike, this forum has really turned into a sad place.

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Originally Posted by Joe Fo Sho

You tell me, you're the one making the argument...and it's ridiculous.

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Read the article....

These are the Redskin players saying that some of their teammates 'will throw in the white towel'
Its the coach saying that they are playing for 2013...

I am pointing something very obvious out. Something that is so much of human nature and behaiour that fans want to pertend it does not exist. You think for some odd reason that NFL players play a 100% all of the time. They they dont take plays or games or seasons off. That somehow starting 3-6 doesnt make a difference. That coaches are allways trying to WIN....

***THE GREATEST COACH OF ALL TIME DID NOT CARE ABOUT WINNING!!!! ALL HE ASKED IS THAT HIS PLAYERS GIVE A 100% THATS ALL***

To be fair to the author of the thread, if Shannahan did indeed make these comments, which the article certainly suggests, then it does prove his point that some franchises are willing to look to the future and sacrifice wins for the opportunity to draft higher or develop young players that they might not otherwise put on the field if they were trying to win ball games.

Even without a first round pick you still want a high pick in other rounds and also you can put young players on the field much much more without worrying about inexperience in an effort to get them ready for next year.

I came here from BBMB however long ago, and sadly its becoming more of the same because of this bull.

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Originally Posted by Mike

Read the article....

These are the Redskin players saying that some of their teammates 'will throw in the white towel'
Its the coach saying that they are playing for 2013...

I am pointing something very obvious out. Something that is so much of human nature and behaiour that fans want to pertend it does not exist. You think for some odd reason that NFL players play a 100% all of the time. They they dont take plays or games or seasons off. That somehow starting 3-6 doesnt make a difference. That coaches are allways trying to WIN....

***THE GREATEST COACH OF ALL TIME DID NOT CARE ABOUT WINNING!!!! ALL HE ASKED IS THAT HIS PLAYERS GIVE A 100% THATS ALL***

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What's your argument again? Originally it was that the colts lost on purpose to get the #1 pick. Now it's that people in general will stop trying when faced with adversity? Those are 2 different arguments.

If the team comes out next week with a 2nd string OLine, waives a few vets and starts players off the practice squad I'll believe this. Otherwise it's pure crap.

Maybe the Rams can land the #1 pick and become a prime trading partner (again)

i think shanahan said this as a form of motivation. he has an underperforming team. shanahan almost always has deflected any personal responsibility over the years when things go bad. he fires everyone else. but he takes the accolades when his team does well.

So this is him walking away from people demanding that he win. "hey, it's on the players. and frankly i'm here next year. if they keep playing poorly they won't be."

sounds like a motivational speech to guys who are on the bubble who maybe accepted the status quo.

I do think teams give up in the year like mike suggests. it might not be a "let's go out and lose" but i remeber the TO year. he wasn't trying. arguably other guys were so frustrated with the same mistakes over and over and the same solutions and trent being the qb, they weren't going the extra mile to do anything. and when you fire the coach in the middle of the year, you are saying, "we are done this year. Everyone is on the bubble and you have to save your job if youwant it."

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Originally Posted by Joe Fo Sho

What's your argument again? Originally it was that the colts lost on purpose to get the #1 pick. Now it's that people in general will stop trying when faced with adversity? Those are 2 different arguments.

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Colts:
I never said the Colts organization all sat in a dark room and decided to lose on purpose but instead a perfect situation for tanking was created and that it worked. What I said was that the organization, FO, Coaches, Players gave up on the season and underperformed in concert with the manipulation from above.

Redskins
The point is that its not all about winning. Players and Coaches 'give up' quite a bit when making playoffs is out of reach to the point that players and coaches even talk to the media about it. Games are then about developing talent, ie its preseason!

Saints:
Saints started out 0-4! Why, yes there was a reason and before you jump up my ass on the assumption that it was draft related hear me out, there was another reason. How & Why: Payton intentionally named interm Joe Vitt as interm coach. Joe Vitt being a guy who was an ok coach at best, and himself suspended for 6weeks. Why not hire Bill Parcels, a man who wanted the job and was familiar with system or Saints OC candidate -who was a hot coaching candidate??? So, WHY? NO, not draft picks, it was simply designed to save his career. Now Payton is one of the hottest coaching candidates. Had Saints started out 4-0 with a formidable coach like Parcels or their OC then Paton may have been a tainted coach out of a job at the end of the season.

Overall Point: Manipulation from above can be a very effective means into influencing players,coaches, etc... -many of whom have given up themselves into giving minimal effort which leads to losing far more than under competitive circumstance.

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Originally Posted by Mike

Here is a real life example of a team giving up on a season which leads to tanking it... After their loss today Redskins are 3-6 putting them in a position where they will have to win out in order to make playoffs. They are trowing in the White Towel.


"Giving up on 2012" "Looking at 2013" or "throwing in the white towel" means not giving a **** about how many more games they Win, thus winning is no longer the goal but player evaluation which is another way to tank the last half of the season.

***For those of you who believe that coaches and players never quite and always try to win.... your wrong***

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Shanahan came out and said today that it's bull**** that reporters reported that his statements meant that he's given up on the season. Jumped the gun again.

So why did the Redskins win today, Mike?

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Originally Posted by Joe Fo Sho

So why did the Redskins win today, Mike?

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Teams that give up roll up 31-6 beatdowns on occasion. :rofl:

Hahahaha

THREAD BUSTED!!!

Close her up kids.

2-0 since they were "giving up" Mike! :rofl:

Well they won against their rivals the Cowboys. Does that account for something?!

Is this slack-jawed ****** going to own up to his bull****.

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Originally Posted by Mike13

Is this slack-jawed ****** going to own up to his bull****.

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What exactly do you want me to own up to???

All I am arguing is that some teams give up... you guys are arguing that that never happens. I admit that this is highly controversial and that it is Wild Speculation...

What I found interesting is that there was an article which quotes players and coaches talking about this very thing. What is most important is the timing of the quotes. It came after a heart breaking loss, and it seems in retrospect that players and coaches reacted emotionally when speaking. When speaking emotionally people tend to be more honest and filter less.

As far as the Redskins winning, I'll eat the crow, however it does not mean that giving up does not exits.

Good thing for the Giants the Redskins "gave up"

Oh wait.

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Originally Posted by FunTimesYaY!

Good thing for the Giants the Redskins "gave up"

Oh wait.

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Read what Mahdi wrote. I am very glad the Redskins won. That being said did you watch the game? Did you hear Gruden talking about it, the comments that Shanahan said. What about Steve Young? Did you watch the post game report?

What you implied was that I lied and made the whole thing up- heck I had to show you a link. FU for thinking that. All I did was post what was said. What coaches and players were quoted saying after a loss. And you still justified it.

Whats the point? The point is that teams do give up on winning when it seems impossible to make the playoffs. Organization IR players, play backups, release players, etc.. when winning seems over. Just go look at the Eagles. During these time for such teams it becomes about next season. If you dont think that this NEVER happens in pro sports you are quite irrational.

If you think every team does everything it can do every single year without reservation to win no matter their record or circumstance and that giving up has never occurred in the NFL let me know because that is what you are arguing.

Mike,
Please start a "Bills Giving Up on 2012 Season" thread so that we have a shot at the playoffs.

(I kid, I kid)

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Originally Posted by Mike

Read what Mahdi wrote. I am very glad the Redskins won. That being said did you watch the game? Did you hear Gruden talking about it, the comments that Shanahan said. What about Steve Young? Did you watch the post game report?

What you implied was that I lied and made the whole thing up- heck I had to show you a link. FU for thinking that. All I did was post what was said. What coaches and players were quoted saying after a loss. And you still justified it.

Whats the point? The point is that teams do give up on winning when it seems impossible to make the playoffs. Organization IR players, play backups, release players, etc.. when winning seems over. Just go look at the Eagles. During these time for such teams it becomes about next season. If you dont think that this NEVER happens in pro sports you are quite irrational.

If you think every team does everything it can do every single year without reservation to win no matter their record or circumstance and that giving up has never occurred in the NFL let me know because that is what you are arguing.

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Oh, it's generic "teams" now, not the (ahem) title of this thread.

Great game against the Giants!

Patti

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Oh, it's generic "teams" now, not the (ahem) title of this thread.

Great game against the Giants!

Patti

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I have argued that over a year now. There is a certain percentage of members on this board that for some reason think that NFL players are these super humans who never succumb to laziness no matter the circumstances because of the pay they receive The Redskins were an example that giving up does happen in the NFL. The fact that an NFL Coach and Players talked so openly about it with nothing to gain was evident of that notion. If you read whole conversation basically I am getting blasted for sharing a link with information that goes against what the fans want to believe. Giving up does happen in the NFL even when there is nothing to gain the same way it happens at your job.

This thread is even more hilarious now.

Good thing for the Cowboys that the Skins gave up...oh wait.

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Originally Posted by FunTimesYaY!

This thread is even more hilarious now.

Good thing for the Cowboys that the Skins gave up...oh wait.

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HA, I forgot about this...awesome.

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Originally Posted by FunTimesYaY!

This thread is even more hilarious now.

Good thing for the Cowboys that the Skins gave up...oh wait.

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What Mike really meant to say was that they were getting ready for 2013, the postseason, duh.

BTW, go 'Skins. Lose in the Super Bowl and give that turd Fisher the #31 pick.

wow.....this right here is classic comedy

well done!