If the Bills go "All In" for Marvin Harrison JR, How would you feel?

I'd be upset...."all in" did not work and we need the picks we'd spend to ger young cheaper impact talent. We need to restock.

That said, the 2nd for Diggs next year is burning a hole in Beane's pocket and he's trading up to some extent ... Can't help himself... that's why we don't have draft talent pipeline pushing fa starters and pay for bargain bin slap patch starters.

I'd rather use all our picks on receivers than go all in in one guy.

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Originally Posted by OpIv37

Weird revisionist history. Von’s contract is the reason for the bloodletting this offseason and the reason we can’t afford multiple picks for a WR.

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Diggs’ contract is much more of a hindernace than Vons. Again, this was about the draft, not Von Miller

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Originally Posted by OpIv37

Weird revisionist history. Von’s contract is the reason for the bloodletting this offseason and the reason we can’t afford multiple picks for a WR.

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Originally Posted by justasportsfan

I'd rather use all our picks on receivers than go all in in one guy.

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Fair.

Again I’m not saying I think they should, but I have a feeling they will move up significantly for a WR. Do I think they’ll pull a Ditka? No. But there’s been more than one talking head saying MHJ is going to be a Bill

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Originally Posted by sukie

31mil dead cap has nothing to do with Von.

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31 mil in dead cap is only a tiny fraction of this year’s cap issues.

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Originally Posted by Forward_Lateral

Diggs’ contract is much more of a hindernace than Vons. Again, this was about the draft, not Von Miller

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Um no. All the bloodletting happened before the Diggs trade. When they signed Von, they knew this year would be cap hell and they bet the farm they’d win it before the bills came due. They failed.

And, if we didn’t have to cut so many guys due to the cap problems, trading up in the draft would be a more viable option. But all the cap cuts created a ton of holes and left the draft as the only available option to fill them. So, the initial premise of trading up for MHJ is no longer viable.

Saying “it’s just about this draft” is an insane oversimplification that does not account for the reality of the cap situation largely created by overpaying Von. You want to look at the draft as a vacuum and that’s simply not realistic.

And on a related note, we lost Diggs, Morse, White, and Poyer, and likely Hyde. We have no cap room. If we had at least one ring, no one would give a ****. Instead, it’s a rebuild in the prime of Josh’s career. And people think it’s somehow even worthy of discussion to trade virtually an entire draft for 1 WR?

There is no analytical ability or reasonable thought process involved in even invoking the question. It just makes zero sense given the reality of the team’s situation.

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Originally Posted by OpIv37

31 mil in dead cap is only a tiny fraction of this year’s cap issues.

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:rofl: You can't be serous??? Well, maybe you can. Your judgement and grasp of reality has been shown to be way off the wall.

Even before the additional $4M cap hit the Bills took by trading Diggs, he had the second largest cap number of the whole team, only behind Josh Allen.

His $27M (would have if he stayed on the team) equaled 10.7% of the total cap (Josh's $303M equals 11.89%). Von Miller's 5.93% cap hit is #3. A FAR cry from 10.7%....45% LESS.

Elite franchise QB's are supposed to be the #1 cap hit on the team. Josh 11.89% ranks him #9 in the NFL and less than HALF of two relative slugs in Deshaun Watson (25.05%) and Dak Prescott (23.28%)

Diggs' $27M cap hit would have had him #4 in WR.

Sorry, but $27M (or $31M) cap hit is NOT "only a tiny fraction of this year's cap issues".

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Originally Posted by OpIv37

And on a related note, we lost Diggs, Morse, White, and Poyer, and likely Hyde. We have no cap room. If we had at least one ring, no one would give a ****. Instead, it’s a rebuild in the prime of Josh’s career. And people think it’s somehow even worthy of discussion to trade virtually an entire draft for 1 WR?

There is no analytical ability or reasonable thought process involved in even invoking the question. It just makes zero sense given the reality of the team’s situation.

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Diggs - BYE-BYE. He was useless in the playoffs and not worth the headache. Getting him off the books completely going forward is a fantastic and smart cap management. Great to move on from him now, and get relatively high value in draft capital.

BTW...you were one that said there was "no way to move him." two months before they did exactly that. Another one of your wonderful predictions that are worthless.

Morse - He has already been replaced and him being gone will make hardly any difference. He was aging and on the downside of his career, with a history of concussions. Good move to cut him loose.

White - damaged goods. Also on the downside of his career and will never be what he was before his two devastating injuries. His age and injury history has this a GREAT move to cut him loose.

Poyer - damaged goods. Already past the "downside of his career" but so valueless that he could only get barely above vet minimum. Another GREAT move to cut him loose.

Hyde - more damaged goods. It's no surprise that he is still a FA. Likely that he will retire. The Bills could still re-sign him (probably) for vet minimum if they deem it worth while.

The Bills DO have "cap space" coming June 1. They don't need aging expensive vets. This is NOT a "rebuild"...how dumb. The core is strong and the past few drafts have the Bills in fantastic shape with a plethora of very good players, with great upsides.

Kincaid
Torrence
James Cook
Terrel Bernard
Shakir
Benford
Rousseau
Spencer Brown

Are all solid starters that are young and (mostly) cheap.

This draft his LOADED with excellent WR prospects.

All-in-all, the Bills are in very good shape and with Josh Allen their Super Bowl window is WIDE OPEN (THIS YEAR), opposite of your sourpuss unrealistic baloney.

Just sayin'

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Originally Posted by notacon

Diggs - BYE-BYE. He was useless in the playoffs and not worth the headache. Getting him off the books completely going forward is a fantastic and smart cap management. Great to move on from him now, and get relatively high value in draft capital.

BTW...you were one that said there was "no way to move him." two months before they did exactly that. Another one of your wonderful predictions that are worthless.

Morse - He has already been replaced and him being gone will make hardly any difference. He was aging and on the downside of his career, with a history of concussions. Good move to cut him loose.

White - damaged goods. Also on the downside of his career and will never be what he was before his two devastating injuries. His age and injury history has this a GREAT move to cut him loose.

Poyer - damaged goods. Already past the "downside of his career" but so valueless that he could only get barely above vet minimum. Another GREAT move to cut him loose.

Hyde - more damaged goods. It's no surprise that he is still a FA. Likely that he will retire. The Bills could still re-sign him (probably) for vet minimum if they deem it worth while.

The Bills DO have "cap space" coming June 1. They don't need aging expensive vets. This is NOT a "rebuild"...how dumb. The core is strong and the past few drafts have the Bills in fantastic shape with a plethora of very good players, with great upsides.

Kincaid
Torrence
James Cook
Terrel Bernard
Shakir
Benford
Rousseau
Spencer Brown

Are all solid starters that are young and (mostly) cheap.

This draft his LOADED with excellent WR prospects.

All-in-all, the Bills are in very good shape and with Josh Allen their Super Bowl window is WIDE OPEN (THIS YEAR), opposite of your sourpuss unrealistic baloney.

Just sayin'

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I can see where you are both coming from.
Granted that they have replacements (to your point) , none of them have proven to be better than the ones they replaced (OPivs point) .

We wont know if the young replacements are better until they play. On paper we're NOT better.

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I can see where you are both coming from.
Granted that they have replacements (to your point) , none of them have proven to be better than the ones they replaced (OPivs point) .

We wont know if the young replacements are better until they play. On paper we're NOT better.

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They aren't really worse.

Milano will be back, so the LBs are already instantly better than last year.

Corners are a wash, as the ones they lost (Tre and Dane) didn't contribute all that much.

Safety, to me is the big question mark. Even though Po and Hyde showed their age a lot, they still played better than average. Rapp played ok in his role, but how will he do in one of the traditional safety spots? Who will man the other safety spot?

I wouldn't say they are all that much worse on paper, to be honest. The only position they've gotten weaker at is safety, but there's still the draft.

I know the naysayers don’t want to believe it but if you listen to the podcast with McGovern, he was brought in as Morse’s replacement. Oh and BTW he played center at PSU.

It's still going to come down to Josh Allen and rushing the other teams passer.

Nota's darling...Joe B did the basically the same thing in his mock yesterday, except for Nabers.

The Bills give the Titans 28, 60 and 133 this year, plus next years' No. 1 for the Titans 7 and 182. The Bills take Nabers.

https://theathletic.com/5391796/2024...n-diggs-trade/

I can understand moving up some for either Thomas or AD Mitchell, and giving up less. there is a chance you won't have to move up at all for Mitchell.

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Nota's darling...Joe B did the basically the same thing in his mock yesterday, except for Nabers.

The Bills give the Titans 28, 60 and 133 this year, plus next years' No. 1 for the Titans 7 and 182. The Bills take Nabers.

https://theathletic.com/5391796/2024...n-diggs-trade/

I can understand moving up some for either Thomas or AD Mitchell, and giving up less. there is a chance you won't have to move up at all for Mitchell.

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But I’m a moron for just asking the question

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Originally Posted by notacon

Diggs - BYE-BYE. He was useless in the playoffs and not worth the headache. Getting him off the books completely going forward is a fantastic and smart cap management. Great to move on from him now, and get relatively high value in draft capital.

BTW...you were one that said there was "no way to move him." two months before they did exactly that. Another one of your wonderful predictions that are worthless.

Morse - He has already been replaced and him being gone will make hardly any difference. He was aging and on the downside of his career, with a history of concussions. Good move to cut him loose.

White - damaged goods. Also on the downside of his career and will never be what he was before his two devastating injuries. His age and injury history has this a GREAT move to cut him loose.

Poyer - damaged goods. Already past the "downside of his career" but so valueless that he could only get barely above vet minimum. Another GREAT move to cut him loose.

Hyde - more damaged goods. It's no surprise that he is still a FA. Likely that he will retire. The Bills could still re-sign him (probably) for vet minimum if they deem it worth while.

The Bills DO have "cap space" coming June 1. They don't need aging expensive vets. This is NOT a "rebuild"...how dumb. The core is strong and the past few drafts have the Bills in fantastic shape with a plethora of very good players, with great upsides.

Kincaid
Torrence
James Cook
Terrel Bernard
Shakir
Benford
Rousseau
Spencer Brown

Are all solid starters that are young and (mostly) cheap.

This draft his LOADED with excellent WR prospects.

All-in-all, the Bills are in very good shape and with Josh Allen their Super Bowl window is WIDE OPEN (THIS YEAR), opposite of your sourpuss unrealistic baloney.

Just sayin'

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We had that “core” last year PLUS all the talent and experience we lost. And you can list the flaws of the guys we lost. We still don’t have anyone equal or better to make up the gap. And the June 1 cap space won’t be nearly enough to replace it all.

The Bills are in far worse shape than they were last year, and the results prove that last year wasn’t good enough. This is nothing but the usual homer spin from you.

We don’t need a Sammy Watkins type trade. I’d rather have the 2nd, 3rd, or 9th WR drafted that year.

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Originally Posted by TacklingDummy

We don’t need a Sammy Watkins type trade. I’d rather have the 2nd, 3rd, or 9th WR drafted that year.

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Yep. We need to learn from our mistakes.

Besides we have too many holes that need reinforcing if not plugging.

Hold water, there will definitely be quality choices left for us at 28 or even a little later with a trade down.

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Originally Posted by TacklingDummy

We don’t need a Sammy Watkins type trade. I’d rather have the 2nd, 3rd, or 9th WR drafted that year.

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Beat me to it!

Please no trade ups!

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Originally Posted by jamze132

Beat me to it!

Please no trade ups!

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I'd be ok with a trade up that didn't involve giving up that much draft capital.

If the guy they really want is there at like 15-20, then I'd be ok with it, I think.