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Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"
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Originally Posted by
coastal
Completely agree.. 8.5 of his sacks came in 3 games. So remove those games and he had 4.5 in 13 games?
Fool's Gold.
Good logic.
I did the same thing with Adrian Peterson's numbers from 2012.
Get this... did you know that if you take away all his 100+ games, he totally sucked?
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Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"
This thread has sunk even lower.
Its very simple: Coastal is pot-committed to fools gold, he can't back down. Mario will need 225 sacks and the cure for cancer to get him to reverse his stance. Even then, Mario will be chastised because he's not a rah-rah leader and he signed a contract anyone on the planet would've signed.
25 pages, smmfh
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I agree we all need to stop feeding the fn billszone secret Miami fan TROLL and move on. He is such a bonehead anyway
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Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"
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Originally Posted by
GvilleBills
This thread has sunk even lower.
Its very simple: Coastal is pot-committed to fools gold, he can't back down. Mario will need 225 sacks and the cure for cancer to get him to reverse his stance. Even then, Mario will be chastised because he's not a rah-rah leader and he signed a contract anyone on the planet would've signed.
25 pages, smmfh
It is a low thread, but a starting DE who over 16 games garners 38 total tackles, 28 of them solo, and 13 of them being sacks means that he stopped 15 ball carriers other that a qb on his own, is suspect. The Bills paid a high price for a one-trick pony.
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Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"
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Originally Posted by
JoeMama
Good logic.
I did the same thing with Adrian Peterson's numbers from 2012.
Get this... did you know that if you take away all his 100+ games, he totally sucked?
That's just dishonest... Adrian Peterson is a future HOF'er. Mario isn't.
why is that?
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Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"
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Originally Posted by
coastal
That's just dishonest... Adrian Peterson is a future HOF'er. Mario isn't.
why is that?
Nothing about Joe's post was dishonest.
You trotting out HOF status (like it means anything) is however a dishonest argument.
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Originally Posted by
SquishDaFish
I agree we all need to stop feeding the fn billszone secret Miami fan TROLL and move on. He is such a bonehead anyway
Says the bonehead who can't just help himself.
here... squishy, squishy, squishy...
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Originally Posted by
DraftBoy
Nothing about Joe's post was dishonest.
You trotting out HOF status (like it means anything) is however a dishonest argument.
How is it dishonest?
you're talking about a guy in AP that can flirt with the rushing record year after year.
The hundo million dollar man isn't flirting with anything unless he's packing bling and limp wristed.
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Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"
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Originally Posted by
coastal
How is it dishonest?
you're talking about a guy in AP that can flirt with the rushing record year after year.
The hundo million dollar man isn't flirting with anything unless he's packing bling and limp wristed.
I hear Jason LaCanfora is quiting. There's a job for ya. You can be laughed at by the entire country instead of just in our little corner of cyberspace.
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Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"
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Originally Posted by
coastal
That's just dishonest... Adrian Peterson is a future HOF'er. Mario isn't.
why is that?
The whole premise is ridiculous.
Look at any DE's game logs.
Sacks tend to occur in chunks.
You're looking for this perfect distribution of sacks so that a DE gets one every single game, as if that's how it works...
Robert Mathis had 19.5 sacks, 13 in six games.
Robert Quinn 19 sacks, 13 in five games.
Greg Hardy had 15 sacks, 10 in three games.
Those are the only three guys that had better sack totals than Mario this season. I guess they're all fool's gold too because they didn't abide by coastal's arbitrary laws of sack distribution.
Put the internet ego aside for 5 seconds and rejoin us in reality.
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Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"
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Originally Posted by
JoeMama
The whole premise is ridiculous.
Look at any DE's game logs.
Sacks tend to occur in chunks.
You're looking for this perfect distribution of sacks so that a DE gets one every single game, as if that's how it works...
Robert Mathis had 19.5 sacks, 13 in six games.
Robert Quinn 19 sacks, 13 in five games.
Greg Hardy had 15 sacks, 10 in three games.
Those are the only three guys that had better sack totals than Mario this season. I guess they're all fool's gold too because they didn't abide by coastal's arbitrary laws of sack distribution.
Put the internet ego aside for 5 seconds and rejoin us in reality.
Two of those guys have double the games sample size?
you're not very good at this are you?
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Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"
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Originally Posted by
stuckincincy
It is a low thread, but a starting DE who over 16 games garners 38 total tackles, 28 of them solo, and 13 of them being sacks means that he stopped 15 ball carriers other that a qb on his own, is suspect. The Bills paid a high price for a one-trick pony.
While those are good points, it seemed Pettine said "sic balls, Chopper!". Mario's job was to get to the QB, and only 3 guys did it better last year.
Very interested in his results this year. I think he gets more flack because of that ridiculous contract. That kind of bread, natural reaction is to expect him to lead the league in every category. But that contract is what it is, he just signed it. Signing it won't make him something he's not.
Like I said, very interested in the coming year.
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Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"
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Originally Posted by
coastal
Two of those guys have double the games sample size?
you're not very good at this are you?
http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q.../facepalm6.gif
With no false modesty, I think I demonstrated that sacks occur in chunks pretty well.
Everyone's numbers look pedestrian if you take away their big games.
This schtick of yours isn't as cute as you think it is.
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Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"
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Originally Posted by
coastal
How is it dishonest?
you're talking about a guy in AP that can flirt with the rushing record year after year.
The hundo million dollar man isn't flirting with anything unless he's packing bling and limp wristed.
Yes but that has nothing to do with what Joe commented on, hence the dishonesty of the argument.
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Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"
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Originally Posted by
JoeMama
Unless, of course, one is talking about Jairus Byrd, then the fact that 75% of his 'stats' were accumulated in 2 games against rookie QB's is irrelevant and he is a 'playmaker' that deserves the money.
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Ok boys...
Were on the precipice of year 3 of Super Mario's stay in WNY!
what's your take?
Game changer? Worth it? Community icon? Leader?
Is this finally the year our beloved Bills reach the playoffs and is the highest paid player in this franchise's history the person that's going to help lead us there?
or was he just brought into sack the quarterback from time to time?
what say you?
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Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"
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Originally Posted by
coastal
precipice
where do you learn words like this??
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Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"
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Originally Posted by
Blondie
where do you learn words like this??
the Jesuits.
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WOW .. he made 13 SACKS last year??
He is paid 5.9 MILLION for a total of 23.5 sacks as his career at the BILLS ..
I see why Buffalo can't clean their city now... :D
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Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"
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Originally Posted by
coastal
Ok boys...
Were on the precipice of year 3 of Super Mario's stay in WNY!
what's your take?
Game changer? Worth it? Community icon? Leader?
Is this finally the year our beloved Bills reach the playoffs and is the highest paid player in this franchise's history the person that's going to help lead us there?
or was he just brought into sack the quarterback from time to time?
what say you?
For nearly $100M we could have done a helluva lot better. Three or four good players.
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Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"
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jimmifli
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Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"
Did Mario steal your lunch money or bang your wife?
Everyone knows he was paid 100m to sack the QB and has been the teams best pass rusher since Bruce Smith.
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Originally Posted by
Mr. Pink
Everyone knows he was paid 100m to sack the QB and has been the teams best pass rusher since Bruce Smith.
:rofl:
Jerry Hughes rushes the passer too, and doesn't nearly cost as much.
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Originally Posted by
Mr. Pink
Did Mario steal your lunch money or bang your wife?
Everyone knows he was paid 100m to sack the QB and has been the teams best pass rusher since Bruce Smith.
We'll if Mario wants to bang me it's gonna come with a hefty price tag :D
Tee hee
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Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"
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Originally Posted by
coastal
:rofl:
Jerry Hughes rushes the passer too, and doesn't nearly cost as much.
And he doesn't cost as much as Kyle Williams either. Is Kyle more fools gold?
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81 TACKLES
23.5 SACKS
7 PDEF
3 FF
All of that in 2 seasons.........I have no problem with Mario Williams or his contract.
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Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"
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streetkings01
81 TACKLES
23.5 SACKS
7 PDEF
3 FF
All of that in 2 seasons.........I have no problem with Mario Williams or his contract.
I could see there being people thinking his contract was a problem if the team was up against the salary cap and it hinders them from adding another piece. But they're still 7 million away from the cap.
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So I got you two knuckle heads down for "worth it".
jimmi is throwing an intellectual tantrum.
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Blondie
We'll if Mario wants to bang me it's gonna come with a hefty price tag :D
Tee hee
Achievable...
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Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"
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Originally Posted by
coastal
So I got you two knuckle heads down for "worth it".
jimmi is throwing an intellectual tantrum.
The money has to go to someone with a salary floor.
Who else should the team have spent it on?
Hating on Mario cause he got paid is illogical.
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I was about to suggest the ring thing.
Fool me once. Fool me twice.
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Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"
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Originally Posted by
Mr. Pink
The money has to go to someone with a salary floor.
Who else should the team have spent it on?
Hating on Mario cause he got paid is illogical.
Illogical?
The he highest paid player in the history of the whole franchise is a ****ing weirdo who takes plays off and doesn't put his heart and soul into the game!!!!
Rationalizing that signing is the epitome of illogical!
i bet if Daryl Talley could... he'd punch him in the ****ing mouth for being the football "player" he is.
illogical!?
You people are ****ing nuts.
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The reason I have no problem with the Mario signing is because I don't believe the Bills would have spent that money any more wisely or at all.
The Bills still are $9M under the cap this year and that is after having a league leading $23,692,276 in dead money.
http://overthecap.com/salary-cap/buffalo-bills
Is Mario overpaid? Sure, but it is irrelevant.
By the way, to everyone other than old homer fools in Florida, Buddy Nix was an incompetent idiot.
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Did Fletch/coastal/Blondie revive this thread to have a conversation with himself? Impressive.
Mario is worth the contract and place on this team.
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Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"
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Originally Posted by
Mr. Pink
The money has to go to someone with a salary floor.
It is a 4 year average -- 2013 to 2016 -- so the slary floor is not really a consideration yet.
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Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"
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Originally Posted by
SpikedLemonade
The reason I have no problem with the Mario signing is because I don't believe the Bills would have spent that money any more wisely or at all.
The Bills still are $9M under the cap this year and that is after having a league leading
$23,692,276 in dead money.
http://overthecap.com/salary-cap/buffalo-bills
Is Mario overpaid? Sure, but it is irrelevant.
By the way, to everyone other than old homer fools in Florida, Buddy Nix was an incompetent idiot.
sorry.
the highest paid player in any organization better be "da man" or there's going to issues.
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Originally Posted by
coastal
sorry.
the highest paid player in any organization better be "da man" or there's going to issues.
I understand.
And he is definitely not "da man".
I just don't see where that money would have gone other than to more crap.
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Originally Posted by
coastal
Illogical?
The he highest paid player in the history of the whole franchise is a ****ing weirdo who takes plays off and doesn't put his heart and soul into the game!!!!
Rationalizing that signing is the epitome of illogical!
i bet if Daryl Talley could... he'd punch him in the ****ing mouth for being the football "player" he is.
illogical!?
You people are ****ing nuts.
This ain't the 1990s NFL anymore and IDGAF what Daryl Talley says or thinks about the state of the NFL. Of course he's gonna be angry, he missed out on all of these big money contracts.
The dude is a 3 time pro-bowler and a 3 time all-pro. Basically every other year he's making one of those two lists as he's played 7 full seasons. Bruce was a 5 time all-pro and 3 time pro-bowler in his first 7 full seasons.
Mario could go out and put up a 60 tackle and 20 sack season and you'd ***** that he didn't break Strahan's record.
Again, who else should the money have gone to?
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Originally Posted by
SpikedLemonade
The reason I have no problem with the Mario signing is because I don't believe the Bills would have spent that money any more wisely or at all.
The Bills still are $9M under the cap this year and that is after having a league leading
$23,692,276 in dead money.
http://overthecap.com/salary-cap/buffalo-bills
Is Mario overpaid? Sure, but it is irrelevant.
By the way, to everyone other than old homer fools in Florida, Buddy Nix was an incompetent idiot.
95% of the players in the NFL are overpaid.
That whole overpaid argument is beyond stupid and irrelevant.
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Originally Posted by
SpikedLemonade
I understand.
And he is definitely not "da man".
I just don't see where that money would have gone other than to more crap.
Whenever the question of Andy Levitre an Jarius Byrd come up, the opposite rationalization comes up... "they weren't worth it!"
two players who played well for Buffalo and produced throughout their rookie contracts were shown the door and not rewarded for their contributions to the organization.
again... that says something to EVERYONE in the organization.
This isn't madden franchise mode where you just plug in widgets with rating numbers to make our team better.
these are people we are talking about and the way the Bills are "managed" tells me that whoever is in charge, clearly, doesn't understand that concept.
the Mario signing and subsequent loss of these two players is the epitome of that.
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Originally Posted by
coastal
Whenever the question of Andy Levitre an Jarius Byrd come up, the opposite rationalization comes up... "they weren't worth it!"
two players who played well for Buffalo and produced throughout their rookie contracts were shown the door and not rewarded for their contributions to the organization.
again... that says something to EVERYONE in the organization.
This isn't madden franchise mode where you just plug in widgets with rating numbers to make our team better.
these are people we are talking about and the way the Bills are "managed" tells me that whoever is in charge, clearly, doesn't understand that concept.
the Mario signing and subsequent loss of these two players is the epitome of that.
With the Bills cap space room last year and this year, both of those players could have been easily signed despite Mario's contract.
The Bills incorrectly undervalued those two players.
That we we were operating with an internal salary cap under Ralph.
I hope things will be different under Pegula.
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Originally Posted by
Mr. Pink
This ain't the 1990s NFL anymore and IDGAF what Daryl Talley says or thinks about the state of the NFL. Of course he's gonna be angry, he missed out on all of these big money contracts.
The dude is a 3 time pro-bowler and a 3 time all-pro. Basically every other year he's making one of those two lists as he's played 7 full seasons. Bruce was a 5 time all-pro and 3 time pro-bowler in his first 7 full seasons.
Mario could go out and put up a 60 tackle and 20 sack season and you'd ***** that he didn't break Strahan's record.
Again, who else should the money have gone to?
So now Daryl Talley is just a bitter, retired ex-Bill?
and when Mario puts up 60 and 20... let me know.
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Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"
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Originally Posted by
ServoBillieves
Did Fletch/coastal/Blondie revive this thread to have a conversation with himself? Impressive.
Mario is worth the contract and place on this team.
Did you just throw a post in here for the sake of pretending you don't care??
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Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"
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Originally Posted by
SpikedLemonade
The reason I have no problem with the Mario signing is because I don't believe the Bills would have spent that money any more wisely or at all.
The Bills still are $9M under the cap this year and that is after having a league leading
$23,692,276 in dead money.
http://overthecap.com/salary-cap/buffalo-bills
Is Mario overpaid? Sure, but it is irrelevant.
By the way, to everyone other than old homer fools in Florida, Buddy Nix was an incompetent idiot.
Agreed 100% We got a pretty good player for the price of a great one. And we could have added other good players but chose not to.
As for culture problems? The head of the franchise is a salesman that hires cheap coaches who hire inexperienced coordinators. The players know the Bills aren't doing everything to win. Bringing in one overpaid pretty good DE isn't killing the winning culture that's been established in Orchard Park.
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Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"
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Originally Posted by
streetkings01
81 TACKLES
23.5 SACKS
7 PDEF
3 FF
All of that in 2 seasons.........I have no problem with Mario Williams or his contract.
He got paid much more than the three players that finished ahead of him in sacks last season.
He got paid much more than the 16 players that finished ahead of him in sacks in 2012.
He logged 13 sacks last season, the team had 57 for a franchise record sacks. The result, a 20th ranked scoring Defense and a 6-10 record, again.
So what's not sinking in for you in this discussion?
I mean if you want to continue to evaluate Mario's contributions in a vacuum, keep on going, you're doing a fine job.
This really isn't very complicated. Get Mario for $100M, or get a bunch of other players that can help us win more games for the same amount of money.
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Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"
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Originally Posted by
coastal
Whenever the question of Andy Levitre an Jarius Byrd come up, the opposite rationalization comes up... "they weren't worth it!"
two players who played well for Buffalo and produced throughout their rookie contracts were shown the door and not rewarded for their contributions to the organization.
again... that says something to EVERYONE in the organization.
This isn't madden franchise mode where you just plug in widgets with rating numbers to make our team better.
these are people we are talking about and the way the Bills are "managed" tells me that whoever is in charge, clearly, doesn't understand that concept.
the Mario signing and subsequent loss of these two players is the epitome of that.
Byrd should have been paid, point blank, period.
Levitre was fine to let go if the team would have kept Rinehart. Letting both go was beyond idiotic.
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Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"
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Originally Posted by
coastal
So now Daryl Talley is just a bitter, retired ex-Bill?
and when Mario puts up 60 and 20... let me know.
Wouldn't you be bitter watching guys do the same job you did 25 years ago but getting paid 10 times for it? And Talley constantly mentions players of today and their behaviors.
And your argument against Mario isn't his onfield production, you think he's supposed to be a role model, a leader and vocal.
He's never gonna do any of those three things.
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Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"
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Originally Posted by
Fletch
This really isn't very complicated. Get Mario for $100M, or get a bunch of other players that can help us win more games for the same amount of money.
The team is still under the cap and could sign a couple more midlevel players to win more games.
And who should they have brought in instead?
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Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"
Agree with everything MR.Pink has said. I really think he beat you for lunch money or something.