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  • patmoran2006
    Ole' Ralphie SCROOGE
    • Dec 2005
    • 19840

    ABout Kelly Holcomb

    Now while I certainly am no Kelly Holcomb fan, and I doubt I"d be going to Dick's anytime soon to buy a #10 jersey... I feel to some extent this guy is getting the shaft..

    People call him a "journeyman".. Now to some extent this is true. However, throughout his career he's been on teams where he wasn't given an opportunity to beat out the quarterback.

    * His first two years in the league he played behind Jim Harbaugh.

    * In 1998 he played behind Peyton Manning.

    * For the next three seasons he played behind Tim Couch. Cleveland invested the top pick in the draft in Couch and were going to give him every opportunity to be a franchise quarterback. Coincidentally, in 2002 the Browns only playoff appearance, Holcomb threw for 429 yards and 3 TD's in a loss to Pittsburgh.

    * In 2004 he was stuck behind Free Agent "savior" Jeff Garcia in Cleveland. He played in four games and his stats were actually much better than Garcia's. He competed 67.8% of his passes that season and had 7 TD's and 5 Int's.

    * With Buffalo in 2005, I dont even need to get into because the entire team was a mess. Still, He did complete 67.4% of his passes and still had more TD's (10) than INT's (8) and that's even with the four int fiasco in New York in week 17.

    NOw while he'll never be confused with a Troy Aikman or Dan Fouts, quit treating the guy like he's Joe Dufek of Matt Kofler. Put it this way, I've seen a hell of a lot worse QB'ing in recent Bills history.. Do the names Rob Johnson, Todd Collins and Billy Goat Hobert ring a bell?

    DO I think Holcomb DESERVES to be the starter? HELL NO.. But I think he deserves the SAME opportunity as JP Losman, Craig Nall or anybody else..> This "you already know what your going to get" stuff is pure crap.. NOBODY was going to suceed on this team the way it was run last year.

    I hope JP wins the job, but if he doesn't I'm confident HOlcomb can take advantage of having more speedy receivers and a much better offensive line than 2005.


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  • Philagape
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    • Jul 2002
    • 19432

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    Re: ABout Kelly Holcomb

    I've said before that Holcomb is a good backup. He's not horrible, but he's not good enough to justify stunting the growth of a promising prospect. We DO know what we're going to get out of him ... he played pretty much as expected last year. No matter what's around him, he still has no arm and no mobility. He's accurate with short throws and cool under pressure. What's not to know?
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    • Turf
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      • Jul 2002
      • 8377

      #3
      Re: ABout Kelly Holcomb

      4th and 17 or whatever the hell it was and an end of the game play, and he throws a 2 yard safety release pass to Moulds. That says it all for me. He doesn't have it nor will he ever. A veteran with his years should have known better. Will everyone get over Holcomb, he's a wasted idea.
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      • patmoran2006
        Ole' Ralphie SCROOGE
        • Dec 2005
        • 19840

        #4
        Re: ABout Kelly Holcomb

        I"m not suggesting Holcomb SHOULD be the starter.. I'm suggesting Losman shouldn't just be HANDED the job because of his "upside".

        If HOlcomb is so bad, and "we know what we're going to get' .. Then JP Losman should have NO Problem beating him out in camp.. If he cannot, then JP should start selling insurance or something.


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        • Philagape
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          • Jul 2002
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          The question is, should JP be judged by what he has now, or what they think he'll have this season after getting more real game experience? Should upside be a factor? I say yes, but I'm not the coach.
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          • patmoran2006
            Ole' Ralphie SCROOGE
            • Dec 2005
            • 19840

            #6
            Re: ABout Kelly Holcomb

            I think this is the biggest misperception going right now..

            Bills fans and the media think this is a team in rebuilding mode and we're playing for the future.

            The Bills brass TRULY thinks this team was formed to win NOW, and for that reason, they will go with the quarterback who's best in camp and gives them the best chance to win on Sunday, not the quarterback who has more potential and upside.

            again, I am among the masses that hope JP wins the job.. But apparently I'm in the minority that think Holcomb is going to get a REAL Chance to win the job, and they're not just putting a "scare" into JP and going through the motions of saying the QB spot is an open competition.


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            • jamze132
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              • Jun 2003
              • 29290

              #7
              Re: ABout Kelly Holcomb

              Originally posted by patmoran2006
              I think this is the biggest misperception going right now..

              Bills fans and the media think this is a team in rebuilding mode and we're playing for the future.

              The Bills brass TRULY thinks this team was formed to win NOW, and for that reason, they will go with the quarterback who's best in camp and gives them the best chance to win on Sunday, not the quarterback who has more potential and upside.

              again, I am among the masses that hope JP wins the job.. But apparently I'm in the minority that think Holcomb is going to get a REAL Chance to win the job, and they're not just putting a "scare" into JP and going through the motions of saying the QB spot is an open competition.
              I highly doubt that the Bills FO think that this team is built to win right now. It doesn't bode well for them if they think they have all the pieces in place.

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              • djjimkelly
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                • Apr 2003
                • 7045

                #8
                Re: ABout Kelly Holcomb

                ILL GIVE A TIDBIT ABOUT KELLY HOMOBUM HE BLOWS. ABSOLUTELY NO UPSIDE A CLASSIC DUMP OFF QB. THAT UNLESS EVERYONE AROUND HIM MAKES PLAYS NONE WILL BE MADE.

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                • Mr. Cynical
                  Maybe?
                  • Oct 2003
                  • 9766

                  #9
                  Re: ABout Kelly Holcomb

                  Fact - KH has had his chances over a 10 year span and has never been able to lock the starting job.
                  Reason - he isn't very good.
                  Result - he's a career backup.

                  End of story.

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                  • Mr. Pink
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                    • Mar 2006
                    • 35303

                    #10
                    Re: ABout Kelly Holcomb

                    Originally posted by Mr. Cynical
                    Fact - KH has had his chances over an 11 year span and has never been able to get the starting job.
                    Reason - he isn't very good.
                    Result - he's a career backup.

                    End of story.

                    Actually the real reason he hasn't held on to a starting job is because he's prone to injury. So at least use proper facts. Tim Couch got the job back in Cleveland because? KH got hurt. JP Losman got the job back here because? KH got hurt. KH never lost a starting gig because he "isn't very good" as you put it.

                    Now is KH a good qb? No, not really. But what he is, is a guy who effectively manages the game and if he has proper weapons around him can be more than effective in leading a team to victories. He has momentary lapses at times of giving up the big pick but he can dink and dunk you all the way down the field with an effecient running game behind you and lead you to points. He is a classic ball control, clock eating QB. As noticed by the difference in TOP the Bills had last year between him and JP. And we all know that the less the opposing team is on the field, the less they can score. Basically what you get in KH is a younger version of Trent Dilfer.

                    In Indy he was never unseating Harbaugh nor Manning, so he never got the chance there.

                    Little history lesson for some people who don't like dink and dunk passers and think they're no good. Fran Tarkenton was a dink and dunk guy and he did pretty well in this league.

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                    • BillsFever21
                      Registered User
                      • Aug 2004
                      • 9067

                      #11
                      Re: ABout Kelly Holcomb

                      If he was any good then why did them teams even bother drafting younger QB's to play ahead of him? If they thought he was any good they would've looked elsewhere in the draft and gave him the starting nod.

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                      • The_Philster
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                        • Jul 2002
                        • 52180

                        #12
                        Re: ABout Kelly Holcomb

                        Originally posted by BillsFever21
                        If he was any good then why did them teams even bother drafting younger QB's to play ahead of him? If they thought he was any good they would've looked elsewhere in the draft and gave him the starting nod.
                        That's the big thing right there. If he was really starting material, Peyton Manning wouldn't be a Colt.
                        Cleveland really isn't relevant...Couch was in Cleveland for 2 years before Holcomb joined him.
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                        • John Doe
                          Florida Man
                          • Jul 2002
                          • 2515

                          #13
                          Re: ABout Kelly Holcomb

                          Originally posted by patmoran2006
                          I think this is the biggest misperception going right now..

                          Bills fans and the media think this is a team in rebuilding mode and we're playing for the future.

                          The Bills brass TRULY thinks this team was formed to win NOW, and for that reason, they will go with the quarterback who's best in camp and gives them the best chance to win on Sunday, not the quarterback who has more potential and upside.
                          Exactly right. There is a lot of talent on the team right now. The offensive line looks to be highly mobile and has the potential to be good this year, and there is talent at the skill positions to go along with it. The team will probably only start one rookie, although McCargo will see as much playing time as a starter.

                          There is absolutely no reason to give up on this season as a "rebuilding" year.

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                          • BillsFever21
                            Registered User
                            • Aug 2004
                            • 9067

                            #14
                            Re: ABout Kelly Holcomb

                            Originally posted by John Doe
                            Exactly right. There is a lot of talent on the team right now. The offensive line looks to be highly mobile and has the potential to be good this year, and there is talent at the skill positions to go along with it. The team will probably only start one rookie, although McCargo will see as much playing time as a starter.

                            There is absolutely no reason to give up on this season as a "rebuilding" year.
                            This team has less talent then it did last year. Kelly Holcomb couldn't cut it last season. Why should anything change this season?

                            This team has some good talent but it far from a team that has "a lot of talent"

                            Maybe in the eyes of a fan the team has a ton of talent. In reality though this team isn't anywhere close to the playoff caliber teams.

                            The roster wasn't considered to be very spectacular last season and we lost about 4 good starters since then and either replaced them with players not up to their ability or rookies who have never stepped on the field.

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                            • YardRat
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                              • Dec 2004
                              • 86147

                              #15
                              Re: ABout Kelly Holcomb

                              Losman, Holcomb, Nall....may the best player win.
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