How are the Homers feeling about this.

[patmoran2006]

Lets see. Less than a week into camp.

* Our Top draft pick is STILL Unsigned, the only player taken in the top nine who's not in their team's camp (and who's also projected to start)

* Our other top pick has already been hospitalized (though he's now fine)

*Rumors are circulating about TKO now, that he's not playing the preseason at all and his status for opening day is now questionable.

* One of the QB's that Marv hand-picked to bring and in challenge for the starting job hurt his hamstring, and its not a "minor" injury.

Great week in Bills-land.

[lordofgun]

I'm feeling great!

[Ebenezer]

I'm having a hard time getting ready for the season...I could see them going 7-9 but I am not excited by the events at camp.

[Patrick76777]

Lets see. Less than a week into camp.

* Our Top draft pick is STILL Unsigned, the only player taken in the top nine who's not in their team's camp (and who's also projected to start)

* Our other top pick has already been hospitalized (though he's now fine)

*Rumors are circulating about TKO now, that he's not playing the preseason at all and his status for opening day is now questionable.

* One of the QB's that Marv hand-picked to bring and in challenge for the starting job hurt his hamstring, and its not a "minor" injury.

Great week in Bills-land.

* Our Top draft pick is STILL Unsigned, the only player taken in the top nine who's not in their team's camp (and who's also projected to start)
----It happens, he'll be here soon enough.


* Our other top pick has already been hospitalized (though he's now fine)
------Oh god, he's totally fine. He's a big fat guy running around in the 90 degree weather.


*Rumors are circulating about TKO now, that he's not playing the preseason at all and his status for opening day is now questionable.
-------That's Paul Hamilton and the morons at GR. I listed to the updates over the weekend. Spikes said that he's fine, but he's not going to play in the preseason so as not to risk it. Hamilton, thinking that he's investigating Watergate starts with the questions. "If he's 100% why not play the preseason?" He's trying to start trouble. Listen, when you're coming back from an injury like that, why risk playing against some team's 84th players trying to win a job with the Panthers or Browns in August. No thanks. Target week One TKO and don't let the Douche Bags from GR get you down.

* One of the QB's that Marv hand-picked to bring and in challenge for the starting job hurt his hamstring, and its not a "minor" injury.
--------this is great news. It give more reps to the guys that are 1 and 2 anyway. Not that it matters because if Holcomb wins the job he'll be lynched by the media and fans.

[Earthquake Enyart]

Right on Pat.

[lordofgun]

As always, I agree with Pat.

[patmoran2006]

* Our Top draft pick is STILL Unsigned, the only player taken in the top nine who's not in their team's camp (and who's also projected to start)
----It happens, he'll be here soon enough.
It didnt happen to eight of the other teams who picked in the top nine.. He's a starter supposedly, we got rid of Milloy and Marv valued the safety position that IMPORTANTLY to "reach" for Whitner with the 8th pick.. He already missed OTA's cause of School Exams, so he's even FURTHER behind the 8 ball then most rookies around the league.


* Our other top pick has already been hospitalized (though he's now fine)
------Oh god, he's totally fine. He's a big fat guy running around in the 90 degree weather.
Agreed... But its not a promising sign.


*Rumors are circulating about TKO now, that he's not playing the preseason at all and his status for opening day is now questionable.
-------That's Paul Hamilton and the morons at GR. I listed to the updates over the weekend. Spikes said that he's fine, but he's not going to play in the preseason so as not to risk it. Hamilton, thinking that he's investigating Watergate starts with the questions. "If he's 100% why not play the preseason?" He's trying to start trouble. Listen, when you're coming back from an injury like that, why risk playing against some team's 84th players trying to win a job with the Panthers or Browns in August. No thanks. Target week One TKO and don't let the Douche Bags from GR get you down.
TKO from his OWN quotes doesnt sound as convincing as he was this spring.

* One of the QB's that Marv hand-picked to bring and in challenge for the starting job hurt his hamstring, and its not a "minor" injury.
--------this is great news. It give more reps to the guys that are 1 and 2 anyway. Not that it matters because if Holcomb wins the job he'll be lynched by the media and fans.

If its great news, then Marv really blows for giving a guy a $1.3 million signing bonus just to come into camp to be a third string quarterback. Couldnt' we bring back Todd Collins for that at about a third of the price?

[Earthquake Enyart]

If its great news, then Marv really blows for giving a guy a $1.3 million signing bonus just to come into camp to be a third string quarterback. Couldnt' we bring back Todd Collins for that at about a third of the price?

BOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[Patrick76777]

If its great news, then Marv really blows for giving a guy a $1.3 million signing bonus just to come into camp to be a third string quarterback. Couldnt' we bring back Todd Collins for that at about a third of the price?

1.3 mil on a 110 mil cap. It's like throwing a deck chair off the titanic. It was a gamble that failed. No harm, no foul.

[OpIv37]

-------That's Paul Hamilton and the morons at GR. I listed to the updates over the weekend. Spikes said that he's fine, but he's not going to play in the preseason so as not to risk it. Hamilton, thinking that he's investigating Watergate starts with the questions. "If he's 100% why not play the preseason?" He's trying to start trouble. Listen, when you're coming back from an injury like that, why risk playing against some team's 84th players trying to win a job with the Panthers or Browns in August. No thanks. Target week One TKO and don't let the Douche Bags from GR get you down.

What about conditioning for a full game? What about getting used to contact and full speed, which are hard if not impossible to simulate during practice? TKO would benefit immensely from preseason. If you think he can skip pre-season and be 100% on opening day, you're out of your mind.

Plus, you apparently don't understand how preseason works. Starters usually just play the first few series for practice, and after that the teams swap in the guys they need to evaluate. If Spikes did play pre-season, he'd spend most of his time going up against other teams' starters.

[patmoran2006]

1.3 mil on a 110 mil cap. It's like throwing a deck chair off the titanic. It was a gamble that failed. No harm, no foul.

I don't care what the cap is, that is a total crock of **** to say $1.3 million or $2.5 million we gave to Price is no harm, no foul if it doesnt work out.

With a higher cap, goes higher salaries during free agency and contract negotiation time..... That extra $1.3 million near the bottom part of your cap is usually the difference between landing Isreal Idonjie .... or Ryan F'n Denney.

So dont tell me $1.3 million means nothing.

[FlyingDutchman]

drama king

[Patrick76777]

I don't care what the cap is, that is a total crock of **** to say $1.3 million or $2.5 million we gave to Price is no harm, no foul if it doesnt work out.

With a higher cap, goes higher salaries during free agency and contract negotiation time..... That extra $1.3 million near the bottom part of your cap is usually the difference between landing Isreal Idonjie .... or Ryan F'n Denney.

So dont tell me $1.3 million means nothing.

1.3 is almost minimum.

[justasportsfan]

TKO would benefit immensely from preseason. .

NOT when you are coming off an achilles injury. Spikes is PROVEN. Making him play early isn't gonna help us find out if he's back to old form. It's gonna have an opposite effect if he reinjures it . Remember Pinkston from the eagles?

[OpIv37]

NOT when you are coming off an achilles injury. Spikes is PROVEN. Making him play early isn't gonna help us find out if he's back to old form. It's gonna have an opposite effect if he reinjures it . Remember Pinkston from the eagles?

it's not about helping us- it's about helping him get used to contact and to playing full speed again. And to learn how to use the new D in an actual game situation.

[BillsFever21]

It's fine that our top draft pick hasn't signed yet?

Missing all of the offseason workouts and 4 days so far of training camp is fine? When is soon enough in your eyes?

There are 22 practice sessions. He will miss at least 1/4 of training camp. He is further behind then any player on the team by a mile. He wasn't able to attend offseason workouts either.

So a rookie who is being projected to start that hasn't practiced with the team this year(except for the short minicamp after the draft) and will miss at least 25% of camp isn't any problem.

Yeah it's no problem that he is 1 of only 5 draft picks who haven't signed and hasn't practiced with the team.

He will not be starting when opening day arrives now. If he does it will be from default because the rest of the backups sucks. Either way he's gonna be far behind.

Everyday he misses puts him that much further behind. You can't make them practices up.

But hey WTH. It's no big deal.

And TKO wouldn't be playing against the 84th player on the team. He would be playing against the starters. When he hasn't played since Week 3 of last year, if he was healthy and able to play some in preseason it would only benefit him.

If he's 100% like he says he is then why not play? If he's 100% then there shouldn't be anything to worry about when it comes to taking chances.

Carson Palmer and others were injured last year and tore their knees up. They are playing in the preseason. Every player who gets injured the year before should just sit out of preseason.

It would only benefit him if he's healthy to see some action and test his achillies out before the season starts. Maybe he isn't 100%. What's he supposed to say that his leg is still all messed up? Of course he's gonna say he's healthy. Maybe, just maybe he isn't 100% recovered yet though.

I guess message board addicts have more information on his injury then people at training camp everyday who is covering the team though.

[Patrick76777]

What about conditioning for a full game? What about getting used to contact and full speed, which are hard if not impossible to simulate during practice? TKO would benefit immensely from preseason. If you think he can skip pre-season and be 100% on opening day, you're out of your mind.

Plus, you apparently don't understand how preseason works. Starters usually just play the first few series for practice, and after that the teams swap in the guys they need to evaluate. If Spikes did play pre-season, he'd spend most of his time going up against other teams' starters.

You're so tough to argue with because you only hear what you want to hear.

1. Yes, of course I know how preseason works. The analogy about Spikes getting taken out by the 83 player on the Browns was clearly an eggageration used to make a point. I thought that would be perfectly clear, I’m amazed that I even need to explain this.
2. Maybe you don’t know how preseason works. Most league “superstars, play a handful of downs in the preseason. Are you telling me that a handful of plays in the preseason is really that important to Spikes? I don’t think so. He knows how to play the game.

[Earthquake Enyart]

Why take any chances with TKO?

You guys want him flying around full bore in TC? You're nuts.

As far as Whitner goes, I'll start to get excited if he is unsigned next week.

[justasportsfan]

it's not about helping us- it's about helping him get used to contact and to playing full speed again. And to learn how to use the new D in an actual game situation.

that's why you have guys like Haggan or crowell fill in until he's 100%. Risking the loss of Spikes will have the effect when Vick was lost for the season because of a presason game. I'd rather Spikes not play for a few games than lose him for an entire season again especially if the games we are talking about is preseason games.

A healthy Spikes will help the team. Playing him too early for a preseason is a bigger risk than reward.

[Patrick76777]

And TKO wouldn't be playing against the 84th player on the team. He would be playing against the starters.



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Dumbest people on planet earth!