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  • OpIv37
    Acid Douching Asswipe
    • Sep 2002
    • 101230

    "Reaching" in the draft

    I saw an ex- NFL GM on ESPN last night (wish I could remember who) and he said that one of the mistakes he made was drafting for need instead of draft value- if you pick a #15 player at 9 to fill a need, you still get a 15 player (and you have to pay him #9 salary).

    Translation: Do NOT draft Poz or Leon Hall without a trade down.
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  • BILLSROCK1212
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    • Mar 2006
    • 5269

    #2
    Re: "Reaching" in the draft

    Originally posted by OpIv37
    I saw an ex- NFL GM on ESPN last night (wish I could remember who) and he said that one of the mistakes he made was drafting for need instead of draft value- if you pick a #15 player at 9 to fill a need, you still get a 15 player (and you have to pay him #9 salary).

    Translation: Do NOT draft Poz or Leon Hall without a trade down.
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    • gr8slayer
      Registered User
      • Feb 2005
      • 20796

      #3
      Re: "Reaching" in the draft

      EVERYONE is a reach on the first day of the draft.

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      • OpIv37
        Acid Douching Asswipe
        • Sep 2002
        • 101230

        #4
        Re: "Reaching" in the draft

        Originally posted by gr8slayer
        EVERYONE is a reach on the first day of the draft.
        disagree. Everyone is a gamble on the first day of the draft. That's different than a reach.
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        • gr8slayer
          Registered User
          • Feb 2005
          • 20796

          #5
          Re: "Reaching" in the draft

          Originally posted by OpIv37
          disagree. Everyone is a gamble on the first day of the draft. That's different than a reach.
          Nothing is a guarantee, gamble, reach, tomato, tommmattto.

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          • X-Era
            What this generation tolerates, the next generation will embrace
            • Feb 2005
            • 27670

            #6
            Re: "Reaching" in the draft

            Originally posted by OpIv37
            I saw an ex- NFL GM on ESPN last night (wish I could remember who) and he said that one of the mistakes he made was drafting for need instead of draft value- if you pick a #15 player at 9 to fill a need, you still get a 15 player (and you have to pay him #9 salary).

            Translation: Do NOT draft Poz or Leon Hall without a trade down.
            Anyone who think Puz is worthy of the 12 pick is crazy in my opinion. Hes not even the best OLB, much less the best LB.

            I think hes a solid 2nd rounder who could slip to the 3rd as several have predicted.

            Hes a player, hed be great here, Id love to have him, but not at 12.

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            • X-Era
              What this generation tolerates, the next generation will embrace
              • Feb 2005
              • 27670

              #7
              Re: "Reaching" in the draft

              Originally posted by gr8slayer
              Nothing is a guarantee, gamble, reach, tomato, tommmattto.
              No, his point is on the money.

              "Reach" implies a player drafted higher than there pre-draft ranking. "Gamble" implies its no sure thing that the player will live up to their pre-draft ranking.

              However, the rankings are the rankings, and when carried out responsibly by professionals for NFL teams, they are completely valid.

              I dont believe the Bills or many if any teams feel that Puz is worthy of the 12 pick, notice I didnt say the 12th best player, thats also different. But I dont think any team feels hes worthy of being drafted by any of the first 12 teams, yes, I think that includes us.

              Thats my honest opinion.

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              • patmoran2006
                Ole' Ralphie SCROOGE
                • Dec 2005
                • 19840

                #8
                Re: "Reaching" in the draft

                POS is a good, servicable player who I think will be a starter in the NFL and wont hurt the team he plays for.

                That's not good enough..Not for Buffalo and especially not when you have a pick in the top dozen.

                Whether its LB or somewhere else; this team needs a game-changer player. We lack that and until we get more than just Losman and Evans we are far from a playoff team.


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                • OpIv37
                  Acid Douching Asswipe
                  • Sep 2002
                  • 101230

                  #9
                  Re: "Reaching" in the draft

                  Originally posted by gr8slayer
                  Nothing is a guarantee, gamble, reach, tomato, tommmattto.
                  Originally posted by jp-era
                  No, his point is on the money.

                  "Reach" implies a player drafted higher than there pre-draft ranking. "Gamble" implies its no sure thing that the player will live up to their pre-draft ranking.
                  what he said.
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                  • X-Era
                    What this generation tolerates, the next generation will embrace
                    • Feb 2005
                    • 27670

                    #10
                    Re: "Reaching" in the draft

                    Originally posted by patmoran2006
                    POS is a good, servicable player who I think will be a starter in the NFL and wont hurt the team he plays for.

                    That's not good enough..Not for Buffalo and especially not when you have a pick in the top dozen.

                    Whether its LB or somewhere else; this team needs a game-changer player. We lack that and until we get more than just Losman and Evans we are far from a playoff team.
                    Yes sir, THANK YOU!

                    I can finally agree with your post. I say that since you didnt insist it has to be Willis.

                    Willis or anyone else, I agree it should be a game changer type playmaker.

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                    • gr8slayer
                      Registered User
                      • Feb 2005
                      • 20796

                      #11
                      Re: "Reaching" in the draft

                      When you are investing millions upon millions of dollars in something you can call it whatever you want. Especially when its something that has no experience in what your paying them to do.

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                      • Devin
                        The Octagon
                        • Apr 2003
                        • 23878

                        #12
                        Re: "Reaching" in the draft

                        Originally posted by jp-era
                        Anyone who think Puz is worthy of the 12 pick is crazy in my opinion. Hes not even the best OLB, much less the best LB.

                        I think hes a solid 2nd rounder who could slip to the 3rd as several have predicted.

                        Hes a player, hed be great here, Id love to have him, but not at 12.
                        Which is why you post here.
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                        • X-Era
                          What this generation tolerates, the next generation will embrace
                          • Feb 2005
                          • 27670

                          #13
                          Re: "Reaching" in the draft

                          Originally posted by gr8slayer
                          When you are investing millions upon millions of dollars in something you can call it whatever you want. Especially when its something that has no experience in what your paying them to do.
                          Dont disagree there. I hope you didnt just convince yourself that forming a draft board and sticking to it is a waste though, it isnt. Because when your paying thousands and thousands (who knows maybe millions) to have scouts, go and scout, why not actually USE them?

                          Its no exact science, but that doesnt mean you shoot arrows wearing a blindfold either. They do their due dilligence, get as much information possible, form a general consensus on who we should draft and where. That said, I dont think its likley at all that the name Posluzny goes to the commish at 12.

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                          • gr8slayer
                            Registered User
                            • Feb 2005
                            • 20796

                            #14
                            Re: "Reaching" in the draft

                            Originally posted by jp-era
                            Dont disagree there. I hope you didnt just convince yourself that forming a draft board and sticking to it is a waste though, it isnt. Because when your paying thousands and thousands (who knows maybe millions) to have scouts, go and scout, why not actually USE them?

                            Its no exact science, but that doesnt mean you shoot arrows wearing a blindfold either. They do their due dilligence, get as much information possible, form a general consensus on who we should draft and where. That said, I dont think its likley at all that the name Posluzny goes to the commish at 12.
                            Hey to be fair I didn't think there was any way in hell Whitner or McCargo would be Bills in the first round.

                            Either way I trust Marv's pick.

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                            • TheGhostofJimKelly
                              Registered User
                              • May 2003
                              • 12459

                              #15
                              Re: "Reaching" in the draft

                              The only time a player is a reach in a draft is until the season starts.

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