Wow, where did Miami become improved on offense?

[Goobylal]

Re: Wow, where did Miami become improved on offense?

Who knows if Miami's offense is going to the #32 rated offense or the #3, but I can't wait to see what happens since Miami now has an offensive minded coach. It may not happen this year, but whenever it does happen it will be fun for this fan.

I can accept that Miami's offense may be good in the future, but this year should be a wash.

[FINintheMOON]

Re: Wow, where did Miami become improved on offense?

I can accept that Miami's offense may be good in the future, but this year should be a wash.

I disagree with this... I think Miami will have a very good offense this season.

I have read all the posts in this thread and there seems that most believe that the OL will be the downfall of Miami this year. And this is based on the moves and the rookies brought in.

I have seen 1 post that even mentioned Houck. This will be his second year in Miami. The moves on the OL is his work. We all know what he did in San Diego and how he turned one of the worst OLs in the league to a very dominating line in 2 years... And it was then as it is now... He made changes in positions, rotating players from one to the other... He added a couple of rookies in the mix as well.

I seriously think that Miami is going to be in the hunt this year...

[!Papacrunk!]

Re: Wow, where did Miami become improved on offense?

I disagree with this... I think Miami will have a very good offense this season.

I have read all the posts in this thread and there seems that most believe that the OL will be the downfall of Miami this year. And this is based on the moves and the rookies brought in.

I have seen 1 post that even mentioned Houck. This will be his second year in Miami. The moves on the OL is his work. We all know what he did in San Diego and how he turned one of the worst OLs in the league to a very dominating line in 2 years... And it was then as it is now... He made changes in positions, rotating players from one to the other... He added a couple of rookies in the mix as well.

I seriously think that Miami is going to be in the hunt this year...

I believe it's his 3rd year. Saban signed him during Saban's 1st year.

It's great to be enthusiastic, but in June it's too early to say a team will suck or be in any kind of hunt. Wayyyyy tooo early.

[Goobylal]

Re: Wow, where did Miami become improved on offense?

It's his 3rd year. And why didn't Houck, a guy who the Dolphins paid a ton of money to get him from SD thus they valued his input, change the lineup LAST year by putting Carey at LT, Shelton at RT, and Hadnot at RG, after the bye like the Bills did?

To me the moves on the O-line are being made because they realize that Carey is their best O-lineman and want to put him at the most important position. But going from RT to LT is not an easy feat. And Shelton proved he's a scrub at any OT position, while with the Cardinals. Hadnot could be a good RG but he seemed to play well at center so why move him? And rookies take time to adjust to their roles.

Again Green won't be playing behind the Chefs' pre-2006 O-line, an O-line which featured several Pro Bowlers. He also won't be handing-off to Priest Holmes or Larry Johnson, or throwing to Tony Gonzalez. And Chambers is their only real threat at WR (the jury is still out on Ginn), but he's been largely inconsistent. And they'll be playing in a new scheme.

As I said, I could see Miami's ofense being good in a year or so. But then next year, will Green still be starting and/or will Beck be ready to take over?

[justasportsfan]

Re: Wow, where did Miami become improved on offense?

Now thats funny. I wonder if FTP still snuggles with his Daunte blankie at night.

that's the gayest thing I've ever read on a football board.

"crying? there's no crying in baseball , but there sure is writing love letters to your mancrush in football as far as the dolphins are concerned"

[justasportsfan]

Re: Wow, where did Miami become improved on offense?

I disagree with this... I think Miami will have a very good offense this season.

I have read all the posts in this thread and there seems that most believe that the OL will be the downfall of Miami this year. And this is based on the moves and the rookies brought in.

I have seen 1 post that even mentioned Houck. This will be his second year in Miami. The moves on the OL is his work. We all know what he did in San Diego and how he turned one of the worst OLs in the league to a very dominating line in 2 years... And it was then as it is now... He made changes in positions, rotating players from one to the other... He added a couple of rookies in the mix as well.

I seriously think that Miami is going to be in the hunt this year...

JUst like McNAlly, Houck hasn't been able to do squat in MIami. Neither of them are miracle workers.

Hopefully the improvement of our OL in the 2nd half of last year will carry on to this year and even be better with the additions.

You can't compare SD to the fins since Houck wasn't able to do squat with your OL the last 2 years.

[HHURRICANE]

Re: Wow, where did Miami become improved on offense?

Bills O-line vs. Miami O-line:

LT: Peters will continue to play at LT and is considered one of the best in the league already. Carey moving their from RT to LT this season. ADVATAGE BILLS.

LG: Derrick Dockery has played the position sucessfully. He's above average and will be solid. Miami has yet to determine who's playing the position but it most likely will be a rookie. ADVANTAGE BILLS.

C: Fowler played well for us at center and has played here his entire career. Satele is a second round rookie. ADVANTAGE BILLS.

RG: Whittle was brought in as veteran depth and may be our starter. Preston played the position but we can use the upgrade. We also have depth depending on where we go at RT with Butler, Merz or Pennington. Hadnof moves over from center to a new position. I put this in the speculation category so I'll call it a draw. DRAW.

RT: Langston Walkeris definately a big risk/reward signing. We gave a guy alot of money for his potential. We know he can play RG but he definately wasn't a world beater in Oakland at RT. Pennington played well at RT as a rookie so we do have a decent backup there as well. LJ Shelton was a player that the Bills could have traded for or signed and we didn't. Miami has him and is moving him to RT. ADVANTAGE MIAMI.

Miami is not returning one player from the end of the season back to their current position. The Bills are starting 5 players in positions that they all played a year ago as veterans. Where is Maimi's line better than the Bills?

[mysticsoto]

Re: Wow, where did Miami become improved on offense?

Bills O-line vs. Miami O-line:

LT: Peters will continue to play at LT and is considered one of the best in the league already. Carey moving their from RT to LT this season. ADVATAGE BILLS.

LG: Derrick Dockery has played the position sucessfully. He's above average and will be solid. Miami has yet to determine who's playing the position but it most likely will be a rookie. ADVANTAGE BILLS.

C: Fowler played well for us at center and has played here his entire career. Satele is a second round rookie. ADVANTAGE BILLS.

RG: Whittle was brought in as veteran depth and may be our starter. Preston played the position but we can use the upgrade. We also have depth depending on where we go at RT with Butler, Merz or Pennington. Hadnof moves over from center to a new position. I put this in the speculation category so I'll call it a draw. DRAW.

RT: Langston Walkeris definately a big risk/reward signing. We gave a guy alot of money for his potential. We know he can play RG but he definately wasn't a world beater in Oakland at RT. Pennington played well at RT as a rookie so we do have a decent backup there as well. LJ Shelton was a player that the Bills could have traded for or signed and we didn't. Miami has him and is moving him to RT. ADVANTAGE MIAMI.

Miami is not returning one player from the end of the season back to their current position. The Bills are starting 5 players in positions that they all played a year ago as veterans. Where is Maimi's line better than the Bills?

Good analysis with one exception, I can hardly see RT as ADVANTAGE MIAMI. We had a chance at LJ Shelton and didn't want him. And after seeing him play afterward in Cleveland, I understood why. He's horrible. I don't know how Butler or Walker fit into the picture, but I do know this...at this point, I would rather Pennington, who showed great improvement last year as the season went on, and has been working hard...over LJ Shelton, a has-been who never was!!! At worst, this is a DRAW, but personally, I still see us as having the advantage there also!

[dolphan117]

Re: Wow, where did Miami become improved on offense?

Where did Miami improve dramatically on offense? The OC position. We went from Mike Mularkey to the guy that directed the highest scoring offense in the league the last 2 years.

Only time will tell how long it takes to turn our offense into something respetable from the garbage it was last year but IMO the biggest improvement we made as a team from last year is in the offensive scheme/play-calling department.

[Goobylal]

Re: Wow, where did Miami become improved on offense?

I also disagree that the Dols have an advantage at RT or that it's even a draw, since Shelton is an overrated underproducing slug. I also disagree that RG is a draw since I think that Hadnot is a better RG than what the Bills will put there, until proven otherwise. The other positions I agree with.

And sure Miami's offensive scheme should be better, but it will take time to learn and get comfortable with it.

[FinFaninBuffalo]

Re: Wow, where did Miami become improved on offense?

I think it's way too early to bash any team, including the phins, but why is Miami going to be much improved when realistically they are in the midst of rebuilding?

How does the fact that no player on the O-line will be returning to their previous position not impact the play of the offense?

Vernon Carey is moving from RT to LT, LJ Shelton is moving to RT, Hadnof is moving to RG. You are going with a rookie at center in Satele and are threatening to start another rookie at LG. What am I missing here?

Add the fact that you have a new coaching staff, new QB, new skill players, and few players returning, how are you better?

The offense was bad last year. Many changes were made because of how bad the offense was. Not making changes would have been the wrong thing to do. There are clearly questions that will not get answered until the season starts, but the changes needed to be made.

1. New coaching on offense. This has to be considered an upgrade.
2. New QB. This should be considered an upgrade.

These were the two biggest problems with the offense last season.

3. New skill players. The new FB is an upgrade. Ted Ginn will be given time to work in. Anything he adds is an upgrade from last season. The TE will need to stay healthy, but McMichael didn't play very well last season.

4. OL. This is the biggest area of concern and could outweigh all of the other improvements.

IMO, the Bills have very similar issues on the OL. The OL was bad last year. Time will tell whether the new players will result in a better OL. I think Dockery will be good, but Walker? No thanks.

[HHURRICANE]

Re: Wow, where did Miami become improved on offense?

Where did Miami improve dramatically on offense? The OC position. We went from Mike Mularkey to the guy that directed the highest scoring offense in the league the last 2 years.

Only time will tell how long it takes to turn our offense into something respetable from the garbage it was last year but IMO the biggest improvement we made as a team from last year is in the offensive scheme/play-calling department.

I 100% agree on MM and have given several phins fans kudos there. It is an improvemnt no doubt to have Cameron over MM.

[FINintheMOON]

Re: Wow, where did Miami become improved on offense?

JUst like McNAlly, Houck hasn't been able to do squat in MIami. Neither of them are miracle workers.

Hopefully the improvement of our OL in the 2nd half of last year will carry on to this year and even be better with the additions.

You can't compare SD to the fins since Houck wasn't able to do squat with your OL the last 2 years.

I disagree... Houck, in both of the previous years, made adjustments throughout each season that seen much better play from the OL. In both seasons there were new players on the line. This year he has a couple of rookies that he will try to put in but he does still have the bulk of the OL he had last year...

[dolphan117]

Re: Wow, where did Miami become improved on offense?

I 100% agree on MM and have given several phins fans kudos there. It is an improvemnt no doubt to have Cameron over MM.

Exactly, although to be fair my good freind Ted would also have been an upgrade

[patmoran2006]

Re: Wow, where did Miami become improved on offense?

EVery team in the NFL improved itself everywhere when its still June.