The left side is going to pave a highway to score TD's. We might even dare our opponents to try and guard that side, knowing full well the other side we be ripe for passing and big plays. We are going to the right way this season, this is what dreams are made of.
well, before you go proclaiming our OL to be excellent, remember that they are playing against our crap-tacular DL. All they have to do is exhale on Tripplett to knock him down then double team Schobel.
Dr. doom strikes again. OP, Walker is huge & he is moving people. He is going to make life difficult for whoever he is facing, even our own D.Originally Posted by OpIv37
LOL
Yeah, and of course non of his points are valid, eh.
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BTW Skoob, you're absolutely right, the left side of our line will easily pave the way to whatever success we have in the running game. But several things:
What happened to the enthusiasm about Langston Walker being a beast at RT?
Don't you think that opponents might be able to plan around a left side running attack and single deep ball threat to Evans?
Can a team really play to anything decent with just a "left side" rushing game?
It's not as if Peters Dockery are the HOGS of old. They're good, Peters arguably among the top-10 or 15 for LT, but Dockery does have limitations, for those being realistic.
Also, given that we were 30th in plays allowed last season and ToP, how do you view our D in terms of improving all that?
It'd be really nice to think that everything is going to change, but from all of the things that I've heard here over the last month or two, I'm not hearing, seeing, or reading much support for it.
Everett hasn't impressed.
Royal's only come across as the waste of $2M annually that he is.
McCargo, well, ... just LOL. Great pickup there.
Youboty can't even unseat a journeyman career backup CB who's on the wrong side of 30 now.
Price?? Where did he go, over to Duff's to drown the rest of his career in X-hot wings?
Langston Walker? When all you hear is how Pennington may win the job, well...?
Butler's not doing well.
Hargrove just got arrested.
Darwin Walker just didn't want to play here, ... not that it matters.
DiGiorgio, ... LMAO.
Meanwhile, say what you want about Parrish now, he ain't gonna do any more this season than in past ones. Why not? Because WRs that weigh 110 lbs. and are 4'6" just don't do much in the NFL, as a rule.
In the mean time, as Op points out, so what if our team "shows something" against the slate of mediocrity (being kind here) in camp in a limited contact environment. Apparently you do, but I don't.
I care about how they come out and play Denver to start, then the Pats, then @ Pitt. What's going on now is no indication of that, ... except to people that fell off the turnip wagon last week.
Your response to that may very well be "then how can you discount the list of players above?"
If that needs explaining, ...
At some point Skoob, you have to point the finger where it needs to be pointed, not at other fans for not foolishly BILL-ieving in some fairy tale.
If someone cannot handle their job they need to be replaced. The problem is since we haven't seen a game yet with the new guys, it is hard to say what to make of it. I also feel that the O-line played alot better in the second half of the season last year and we have made improvements and have the same system in which the team should be better equipped to handle more this year. JP maturing as a QB and playing all of last year will make him better this year as well, so all in all we should score more points this year.
BTW, It's not polite to point, my momma taught me that.
The thread wasn't about our whether the defense is good or not. Skoob was simply poiting out that he feels the left side of our o-line is going to be dominant. I realize you and OP like to crap on every positive thread, but could you at least stay on topic. Oh, and OP, use "craptacular" a few more times. It's soooo hilarious.
Ok I dont understand this post at all and yer clearly biased towards being negative....BTW Skoob, you're absolutely right, the left side of our line will easily pave the way to whatever success we have in the running game. But several things:
What happened to the enthusiasm about Langston Walker being a beast at RT?
Don't you think that opponents might be able to plan around a left side running attack and single deep ball threat to Evans?
Can a team really play to anything decent with just a "left side" rushing game?
It's not as if Peters Dockery are the HOGS of old. They're good, Peters arguably among the top-10 or 15 for LT, but Dockery does have limitations, for those being realistic.
Also, given that we were 30th in plays allowed last season and ToP, how do you view our D in terms of improving all that?
It'd be really nice to think that everything is going to change, but from all of the things that I've heard here over the last month or two, I'm not hearing, seeing, or reading much support for it.
Everett hasn't impressed.
Royal's only come across as the waste of $2M annually that he is.
McCargo, well, ... just LOL. Great pickup there.
Youboty can't even unseat a journeyman career backup CB who's on the wrong side of 30 now.
Price?? Where did he go, over to Duff's to drown the rest of his career in X-hot wings?
Langston Walker? When all you hear is how Pennington may win the job, well...?
Butler's not doing well.
Hargrove just got arrested.
Darwin Walker just didn't want to play here, ... not that it matters.
DiGiorgio, ... LMAO.
Meanwhile, say what you want about Parrish now, he ain't gonna do any more this season than in past ones. Why not? Because WRs that weigh 110 lbs. and are 4'6" just don't do much in the NFL, as a rule.
In the mean time, as Op points out, so what if our team "shows something" against the slate of mediocrity (being kind here) in camp in a limited contact environment. Apparently you do, but I don't.
I care about how they come out and play Denver to start, then the Pats, then @ Pitt. What's going on now is no indication of that, ... except to people that fell off the turnip wagon last week.
Your response to that may very well be "then how can you discount the list of players above?"
If that needs explaining, ...
First of all theres plenty of enthusiasm around Walker and its been documented by players, coaches and ppl who have been to camp and watched him.... does that mean he's Pro Bowl bound? No, but he does provide an upgrade to the RT spot.
Second, the point about teams planning for a left sided running attack and a deep ball to Evans......
Yer discounting those 2 things as if its easy to do. Ill give you examples of 3 offenses who have been successful with the same amount of threats or less...
Seattle Seahawks: When they had Hutch all they did was run left and play action to their mediocre WRs. I would take Lee Evans, Price, Parrish and Reed over their WR group anyday. Our OL should be similar to theirs as it was and a potentially better right side then they had with a mauler like Langston ( his pass protection skills yet to be seen). We all know how good Seattles offense was.
San Diego Chargers: Great left side once again, no wrs to scare anyone, however they have a TE thats excellent of course. So pretty much it was Tomlinson and Gates. How come teams couldnt game plan against a run game and Gates?
Kansas City Chiefs: Same as San Diego pretty much, run game and Gonzalez. They did well on Offense and that was again with no threats at Wr. At least we have Lee Evans who teams will be scheming against. Advantage Bills in IMO.
Now lets look at yer players list:
Everett and Royal were blocking all of last year and only when we shuffled the OL did Royal start becoming a factor. Still this year with better protection from the 5 OL, Royal and Everett should make a bigger impact. Again not saying PB, but just a bigger impact.
McCargo: Jury is still out on him, you cant go calling him a bust. He's had injury issues but I think that when he does get onto the field he'll make a difference for the good. Time will tell.
Youboty: He needs time last year he was late to camp and hardly touched the field after that. No comment on him cause no one really knows, not even the coaches.
Butler: Ive only heard good things about Butler, and on top of that its not like he was drafted on the first day or anything.
Hargrove: Ok so he got arrested, does that mean he sucks now? I think hes simply a rotational player who makes a play here and there, every team has players like that. Not everyone is going to have huge stats on yer team, he's a role player, thats it.
To sum up, the Bills have just as many threats offensively or more than many other teams who have been successful in the NFL including teams in the top 5 offensively. Theres no reason why teams will find it easy to scheme for our Wrs and run game simultaneously. If that was the case they would have stopped Lee Evans last year when our OL was crap. Now its even better and our QB and Wrs have another year under their belts.
Of course the jury is out on a lot of our players but we do know the the potential is there. Roscoe is dangerous with the ball in his hands as is Reed. And Price is still good enough to make some plays.
I think the Bills have way more to be positive about than many other teams in the NFL.
Dockery will be an upgrade over Gandy and Walker will be an upgrade over Pennington. Anyone who thinks otherwise needs his/her head examined. And LAST year the Bills could only run left, since the Pennington/TE combo couldn't generate squat. This year the Bills will be able to run everywhere, not just left. As for Butler, he's been injured but was looking like a good player. Moreover, with everyone having a year in the offense and being able to build off of that this training camp, the offense should be better for that reason alone.
As for defense, again I'll say the only possible problem may be at RCB. I say "may be" because Clements was largely inconsistent, the cover-2 doesn't rely on shutdown CB's, and Webster (healthy permitting) has been playing well.
When put in the context of "said by someone who thinks McNally is a bad line coach", I find that I know exactly how much credibility this post deserves.
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I feel that the left side of the OL beating up on our crappy DL doesn't prove a damn thing, and I said so, but once again you have to criticize the tone of the post rather than addressing the content. What does that tell you about who has the stronger argument?
And my job isn't to entertain you- I'll use whatever words I want whether you find them funny or not.
Forget what the O-line did to the Bills' D-line, if you think they're so crappy. Look at what Peters and Gandy did last year, and realize that Dockery is an upgrade over Gandy. Or do you think he's not?
I think Dockery is an improvement over Gandy- I just don't see how beating up on our DL in camp proves it.
If that was your point, I agree.
It's hilarious how some of you supporters of mediocrity can spin things.
Last year we all needed to be patient for Gandy, Willis was finally going to light things up, Parrish was gonna explode, having Price back was the answer at #2, Royal was a real steal, Everett outran Winslow Jr. so we were expected to see him compare as a player on the field, not to mention the endless string of OL-men and other players brought through this revolving door over the years, and yet every season in spite of the writing being on the wall, it's the same things over again as if no one ever learns anything or looks at the real and root reasons why we continue to suck.
What's gonna be funny about this is that about midway through the season some of you who are "telling me off" and saying how patient we should be with Marv's rebuilding plan, the development of players, coaches that came here w/o any experience, or worse yet, with experiences of failing only, and you will be the most impatient of all of us.
You guys can be sold anything, absolutely anything. It is amusing I must say.
Find a new team not to root for!
What exactly do you THINK you were "being sold" last year? That a new regime was going to take over a 5-11 team, clean house, and make the playoffs? Do you have a quote by anyone claiming that last year?
Judging by your articles, of which at best I read the first sentence, I believe you pegged them for one of the worst teams in the league. Yet there they were, still in the playoff hunt until the final seconds of weeks 16, thanks in large part to your idols Spikes and Fletcher being unable to stop Henry or Young from running all over, or past, them. Yet we're supposed to believe that your predictions are gospel? Sorry.
As for myself, I didn't expect much, given the new schemes, number of rookies playing, and one of hardest schedules in the NFL (it was supposed to be the 2nd hardest based on 2005's results, and turned out to be the hardest overall). What I did expect to see was progress. And that's what I saw, at least from the offense and the younger parts of the defense.
You see after the bye, when the O-line changes were made, the offense averaged 22.2 PPG, whereas prior they averaged 14.3 PPG. That was WITH Gandy and Pennington at LG and RT respectively and with Royal having to stay home to help Pennington pass and run block (poorly). Now they've added Dockery, who everyone and their grandmother agrees is a huge upgrade to Gandy, and Walker at the very least will be a huge upgrade in running to the right side of the line. Surely you can even see that, given how well the Redskins and Raiders did last year running behind those two. And more importantly, after the bye, the Bills went 5-4, versus 2-5.
I can understand your pessimism. Because no matter what happens, you're "happy," of sorts. If things go to pot, you'll get to say "see, I told you so." If things go well, you'll whip out the "I'm happy I was wrong." It's a wonderful defense mechanism, albeit the coward's way out.
Which is it? First you say all you hear is that Pennington may win the job. Later you say he's obviously not gonna get it. Are you purposely making stuff up whenever it supports your argument?
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