Pats sign DE Ty Warren to 5-Yr extension

[BillsFever21]

Re: Pats sign DE Ty Warren to 5-Yr extension

Stats doesn't matter to them people unless it can offer some sort of help towards their arguement for some average Bills players.

Warren is almost two years yonger then Kelsay which makes a big difference in how they will perform by the end of the contract. Younger players usually get more then older players.

No way is Kelsay worth close to what Warren is avg per year;

06 Season:
Warren-7.5 sacks, 56 tackles, 1sfty, 4 pd
Kelsay-5.5 sacks, 41 tackles, 4pd

Career:
Warren-153 tackles, 13.5 sacks, 8pd
Kelsay-100 tackles, 12.5 sacks, 8pd

I think Warren is worth the money while Kelsay is not, alot of Kelsay's tackles come from behind and we've been over these arguments before.

[Ickybaluky]

Re: Pats sign DE Ty Warren to 5-Yr extension

Warren is a 3-4 DE, you can't compare him to Kelsay. It is interesting, though, that Warren has more career sacks that Kelsay despite being a 3-4 DE.

[Ickybaluky]

Re: Pats sign DE Ty Warren to 5-Yr extension

Im just going by last year when peters played rt. He destroyed warren. Now can walker do it? Who knows? but a team like the patriots have to choose wisely who they extend. I just feel the money could be spent else where. Locking up samuel maybe?

The Pats value their DL much more than CB.

Warren is one of their key building blocks up front, part of arguably the best DL in football. He dominated the LOS last year and was their best DL. You can't use stats to quatify a 3-4 DL, because their primary job is to control 2 gaps and allow the LB to make the tackles. Warren, Seymour and Wilfork are the best in the NFL at controlling the LOS, and it is the key to the Pats defense.

As for Peters dominating him, did he do so on the sack/safety Warren had that won the first game last year? If he dominated him so much, why did Buffalo only average 3.6 yds/rush in the 2 games against NE?

[The Spaz]

Re: Pats sign DE Ty Warren to 5-Yr extension

People give players too much respect simply because they play for NE. **** NE. NE

[The Spaz]

Re: Pats sign DE Ty Warren to 5-Yr extension

As for Peters dominating him, did he do so on the sack/safety Warren had that won the first game last year? If he dominated him so much, why did Buffalo only average 3.6 yds/rush in the 2 games against NE?

Yep it was strictly Peters fault.

[justasportsfan]

Re: Pats sign DE Ty Warren to 5-Yr extension

No way is Kelsay worth close to what Warren is avg per year;

06 Season:
Warren-7.5 sacks, 56 tackles, 1sfty, 4 pd
Kelsay-5.5 sacks, 41 tackles, 4pd

Career:
Warren-153 tackles, 13.5 sacks, 8pd
Kelsay-100 tackles, 12.5 sacks, 8pd

I think Warren is worth the money while Kelsay is not, alot of Kelsay's tackles come from behind and we've been over these arguments before.

Of course I ca compare because Warren has had a better coach his entire career and better people surrounding him. That would always pad up your stats. No matter how you slice and dice things they are both average DE's.

YOu're also forgot to add Kelsay rotated with Denney.

Are you gonna tell me this guy is also better than Schobel because he's getting paid more. Whatever he and Kelsay got s the going rate. It's starting to look like we didn't overpay that badly.

[jdbillsfan]

Re: Pats sign DE Ty Warren to 5-Yr extension

I guess I feel better with Kelsay's contract after seeing what Warren got.

[Ickybaluky]

Re: Pats sign DE Ty Warren to 5-Yr extension

Of course I ca compare because Warren has had a better coach his entire career and better people surrounding him. That would always pad up your stats. No matter how you slice and dice things they are both average DE's.

Average? You didn't watch him last year, did you? He was far above average.

Warren played at a Pro Bowl-level last year. He was dominant. You can't judge a 3-4 DE by just stats, because so much of their responsibilities don't show up on the stat sheet.

Compare Warren to the other 3-4 DE in the NFL right now and he stacks right up. He stacks up favorably against Aaron Smith of the Steelers and Luis Castillo of the Chargers.

[jdbillsfan]

Re: Pats sign DE Ty Warren to 5-Yr extension

Average? You didn't watch him last year, did you? He was far above average.

Warren played at a Pro Bowl-level last year. He was dominant. You can't judge a 3-4 DE by just stats, because so much of their responsibilities don't show up on the stat sheet.

Compare Warren to the other 3-4 DE in the NFL right now and he stacks right up. He stacks up favorably against Aaron Smith of the Steelers and Luis Castillo of the Chargers.

Kelsay was dominant too. You can't judge a 4-3 DE just by stats either.

[justasportsfan]

Re: Pats sign DE Ty Warren to 5-Yr extension

Average? You didn't watch him last year, did you? He was far above average.

Warren played at a Pro Bowl-level last year. He was dominant. You can't judge a 3-4 DE by just stats, because so much of their responsibilities don't show up on the stat sheet.

Compare Warren to the other 3-4 DE in the NFL right now and he stacks right up. He stacks up favorably against Aaron Smith of the Steelers and Luis Castillo of the Chargers.

He's on a sb team with a coach who's put him in a position to make plays.He's also been in the same system since he was drafted. He's always gonna look better.

[Ickybaluky]

Re: Pats sign DE Ty Warren to 5-Yr extension

He's on a sb team with a coach who's put him in a position to make plays.He's also been in the same system since he was drafted. He's always gonna look better.

He also is a heck of a lot more talented. Kelsay can't hold his jock.

If Warren were on the Bills, he'd be their starting NT and the best DT on the team. He is a bull.

[Ickybaluky]

Re: Pats sign DE Ty Warren to 5-Yr extension

Kelsay was dominant too. You can't judge a 4-3 DE just by stats either.

In the Pats system, they two-gap. That means they hold up guys and plug up front, something Warren does very well.

In the Bills system, Kelsay is a one-gap defender. He is supposed to make plays, not free up others to make them. He is supposed to get sacks. Look at the Bears or Indy defense, where they play the same scheme, and the DE rush the QB. That is measurable.

[justasportsfan]

Re: Pats sign DE Ty Warren to 5-Yr extension

He also is a heck of a lot more talented. Kelsay can't hold his jock.

If Warren were on the Bills, he'd be their starting NT and the best DT on the team. He is a bull.

Point is , Kelsay is not as overpaid as some people here made him out to be.

[Mr. Pink]

Re: Pats sign DE Ty Warren to 5-Yr extension

We really need to stop defending scrubs and then comparing them to league wide known quantities.

Warren is unquestionably a hell of a lot better player than Kelsay.

Let me spell this out for you, since apparently most of you don't get the difference between the 3-4 defense and cover 2/4-3 scheme. In a 3-4 scheme the DLs main responsibility is clog up 2 gaps and allow the LBers to have free roam and make the plays. In the 4-3 or Cover 2 the DLs responsibility is only 1 gap and they're supposed to make plays themselves.

Notice the fact that a 3-4 defensive end has better stats than a 4-3/cover 2 guy's stats. That's proof enough there of who the better player truly is.

If you're gonna try and claim that Kelsay is paid on what is now average for the position than the Pats got an absolute steal with this one. Either way though you're admitting that the Pats FO is LIGHT YEARS ahead of ours.

They're paying a guy who has to fight through 2 players every down to make plays basically the same as we're paying a guy who has to fight through 1 player every down. Then the guy who fights through 2 players every down puts up better numbers anyways. And the sad part is some of you sit here and justify Kelsays contract by comparing it to this.

I'm really starting to wonder if some of you truly understand the game of football or if your straight out homerism has blinded you.

[justasportsfan]

Re: Pats sign DE Ty Warren to 5-Yr extension

Either way though you're admitting that the Pats FO is LIGHT YEARS ahead of ours. .

YA think?

I'm really starting to wonder if some of you truly understand the game of football or if your straight out homerism has blinded you.

that's very Moran of you Funtimes.