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does anyone remember the game situation when Marshawn was hit out of bounds, faskmasked and horsecollared? If the bills got 15 yards would it have helped that drive, or was that drive the INT drive? I can't remember.
does anyone remember the game situation when Marshawn was hit out of bounds, faskmasked and horsecollared? If the bills got 15 yards would it have helped that drive, or was that drive the INT drive? I can't remember.
I hate football so much right now?
That was bloody shocking!! A horse collar by Mr. "Invented the horse collar rule myself" Williams and NO PERONAL FOUL! AND a facemask??? That was complete BS.
IMO, the horse collar was not as bad as the late hit by Newman. The horsecollar is a judgement call, you have to pull the guy backwards. Merely having him by the collar isn't enough. They called the facemask instead, making it a 5-yarder.
However, the out-of-bounds hit by Newman was an obvious call. That should have been called.
I remember that one fateful day when Coach took me aside. I knew what was coming. "You don't have to tell me," I said. "I'm off the team, aren't I?" "Well," said Coach, "you never were really ON the team. You made that uniform you're wearing out of rags and towels, and your helmet is a toy space helmet. You show up at practice and then either steal the ball and make us chase you to get it back, or you try to tackle people at inappropriate times."
It was all true what he was saying. And yet, I thought something is brewing inside the head of this Coach.
He sees something in me, some kind of raw talent that he can mold. But that's when I felt the handcuffs go on.
As far as I know you can only accept 1 penalty. So unless I'm mistaken even if they had called all 3 you would have only gotten 15 yards and the others would be declined as a rule.
IMO, the horse collar was not as bad as the late hit by Newman. The horsecollar is a judgement call, you have to pull the guy backwards. Merely having him by the collar isn't enough. They called the facemask instead, making it a 5-yarder.
However, the out-of-bounds hit by Newman was an obvious call. That should have been called.
Roy pulled him down exactly how the rule describes it. He grabbed the collar at the back of the neck and dragged himself to the ground pulling Lynch back with him. It was a typical horse-collar.
Roy pulled him down exactly how the rule describes it. He grabbed the collar at the back of the neck and dragged himself to the ground pulling Lynch back with him. It was a typical horse-collar.
I probably would have called it, but I'm just saying it is the refs judgement. If you pull the guys backward it is a horse collar, but if you hang on the collar and he falls foward it is not. You have to drag the back backwards.
I thought the late hit out-of-bounds was a worse non-call. That was blatant and should have drawn an automatic flag.
IMO, the horse collar was not as bad as the late hit by Newman. The horsecollar is a judgement call, you have to pull the guy backwards. Merely having him by the collar isn't enough. They called the facemask instead, making it a 5-yarder.
However, the out-of-bounds hit by Newman was an obvious call. That should have been called.
Okay, you are wrong. Morning drive on Sirrius can't believe that it wasn't called and Randy Cross thinks he will get suspended for it. "When you grab the collar and put all of your weight down on it, that's a penalty."
Roy pulled him down exactly how the rule describes it. He grabbed the collar at the back of the neck and dragged himself to the ground pulling Lynch back with him. It was a typical horse-collar.
IMO it wasn't. He didn't pull him backwards. That's the key to the horsecollar being called. He pulled him to the side. The fact that he got a hand up in front of him, and got the facemask, shows that it was not a horsecollar tackle, because in a true horsecollar tackle you wouldn't be able to grab the front of the guy at all, you're pulling backwards on the jersey or shoulderpads by his neck. The actual horsecollar tackle is very rare, which is why it's only called one or two times a week. And why it's a stupid rule.
Okay, you are wrong. Morning drive on Sirrius can't believe that it wasn't called and Randy Cross thinks he will get suspended for it. "When you grab the collar and put all of your weight down on it, that's a penalty."
Are you serious??
Randy Cross is flat out wrong. Had it been a true horsecollar tackle Newman would have missed the hit. Because for it to be a true horsecollar he would have had to be pulled backwards. You can grab inside the collar, you can drag a guy down by it, you just can't grab it and immediately yank him backwards. 90% of the fanbase, and probably the announcers, don't understand how the penalty is supposed to be called. When they made the rule, they even said that Roy Williams, the guy they invented it for, would have only been flagged for one of the 3 tackles that motivated the rule. He would not have been flagged on the others - including the one that broke Musa Smith's leg - because he pulled him down to the side.
Randy Cross is flat out wrong. Had it been a true horsecollar tackle Newman would have missed the hit. Because for it to be a true horsecollar he would have had to be pulled backwards. You can grab inside the collar, you can drag a guy down by it, you just can't grab it and immediately yank him backwards. 90% of the fanbase, and probably the announcers, don't understand how the penalty is supposed to be called. When they made the rule, they even said that Roy Williams, the guy they invented it for, would have only been flagged for one of the 3 tackles that motivated the rule. He would not have been flagged on the others - including the one that broke Musa Smith's leg - because he pulled him down to the side.
Okay, tell me this after he gets fined or suspended.
Okay, tell me this after he gets fined or suspended.
I won't be here when he's not fined or suspended, and you and Randy Cross will both forget about it. And that will lead to more confusion about the rule and more people who don't understand how it's supposed to be called. Because Randy Cross was saying it's a penalty, so it must be... right?
Okay, you are wrong. Morning drive on Sirrius can't believe that it wasn't called and Randy Cross thinks he will get suspended for it. "When you grab the collar and put all of your weight down on it, that's a penalty."
Are you serious??
To get called for a horse collar you not only have to grab the collar but you have to yank the player backwards to the turf. The refs may not have called it because Lynch didn't fall backwards.
The late hit out-of-bounds was textbook, and should have drawn an automatic flag.
just to clarify, i didn't really think there would be a 45 yard penalty, but i do think there were 3 15 yard penalties to chose from and refs picked none of them.
I understand what NE39 is saying. True, it might not be text book horsecollar, but the rule was created to protect players. And i've seen several games (non bills games) where it happens and they just don't call it. if you're not going to protect the players, then don't make it a rule.
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