For those of you that need to place blame...

[BlackMetalNinja]

Sure, JP deserves some, those turnovers were back breakers... but don't neglect the rest of the team.

How about the defense that couldn't stop a 3rd and long all day long?

Or what about the special teams that couldn't return anything for more than 15 yards, or who committed some extremely stupid and costly penalties?

Or the coaching staff with some of the same old predictable play calling over and over?

This was a total team effort in terms of not getting the job done, no one person should be getting all the blame this time.

We got beat by the better team and yet again hung in there for most of the game despite our best efforts to play like crap.

I have to say, I love the effort and the ability to play over their heads for some of our young guys that have come out of virtually no where this year, but we still desperately need some good veteran leaders in some key positions (QB first and foremost, I don't believe Edwards is our answer there either), as well as some coaches that have some guts to change things up once in a while.

[patmoran2006]

Sure, JP deserves some, those turnovers were back breakers... but don't neglect the rest of the team.

How about the defense that couldn't stop a 3rd and long all day long?

Or what about the special teams that couldn't return anything for more than 15 yards, or who committed some extremely stupid and costly penalties?

Or the coaching staff with some of the same old predictable play calling over and over?

This was a total team effort in terms of not getting the job done, no one person should be getting all the blame this time.

We got beat by the better team and yet again hung in there for most of the game despite our best efforts to play like crap.

I have to say, I love the effort and the ability to play over their heads for some of our young guys that have come out of virtually no where this year, but we still desperately need some good veteran leaders in some key positions (QB first and foremost, I don't believe Edwards is our answer there either), as well as some coaches that have some guts to change things up once in a while.

Good post.

JP blows and I'm near positive he's FINISHED as a starter, but there is PLENTY of wrong with this team besides him.

[Michael82]

Sure, JP deserves some, those turnovers were back breakers... but don't neglect the rest of the team.

How about the defense that couldn't stop a 3rd and long all day long?

Or what about the special teams that couldn't return anything for more than 15 yards, or who committed some extremely stupid and costly penalties?

Or the coaching staff with some of the same old predictable play calling over and over?

This was a total team effort in terms of not getting the job done, no one person should be getting all the blame this time.

We got beat by the better team and yet again hung in there for most of the game despite our best efforts to play like crap.

I have to say, I love the effort and the ability to play over their heads for some of our young guys that have come out of virtually no where this year, but we still desperately need some good veteran leaders in some key positions (QB first and foremost, I don't believe Edwards is our answer there either), as well as some coaches that have some guts to change things up once in a while.

Excellent post!!!

[BlackMetalNinja]

Thanks guys, but this will get buried in the JPHATEFEST 07 that will take place this week. Everybody wants the easy scapegoat.

[Philagape]

I've calculated that JP deserves 62.7801 percent of the blame.


Better than his passer rating in it.

[Don't Panic]

I've calculated that JP deserves 62.7801 percent of the blame.


Better than his passer rating in it.

Definitely more than 50%. Great points about the D and special teams though.

[patmoran2006]

Thanks guys, but this will get buried in the JPHATEFEST 07 that will take place this week. Everybody wants the easy scapegoat.

He's no scapegoat. He had three turnovers, all TERRIBLE turnovers, and he missed open WR's all day long.

He DESERVES the bashing; what you're right about is that plenty of other players sucked as well today.

[CLo_in_Roch]

JP deserves a great measure of the blame... because...

he is the offensive leader, his decisions direct affect the team. Turning over a ball to a home team, "in the hunt" team, a good rushing team -- that churns out yards, keeps your guys on defense gasping for air -- absolutely deflates morale...

plus that fact a difference maker like Lynch is out, more responsiblility was put on JP's shoulders -- and it turns out that not only can he press that weight, he drops the bar. Very disappointing coming from a guy with a "C" on his chest.....

Lead or be lead.

[OpIv37]

JP deserves blame, as does the D, the OL, Reed, Evans, etc.... there is plenty to go around.

However, JP is in a unique position as far as evaluation is concerned. We're trying to evaluate him as our future QB. So of course his mistakes are going to be discussed ad nauseum- it doesn't mean we're letting the rest of the team off the hook.

[Philagape]

it doesn't mean we're letting the rest of the team off the hook.

Thank you.

[HHURRICANE]

This was a winnable game. JP cost us the game. Yeah special teams were horrible and the D can always play better but the game was winnable.

I am convinced that had Trent started we could have won this game.

[Philagape]

This was a winnable game. JP cost us the game. Yeah special teams were horrible and the D can always play better but the game was winnable.

I am convinced that had Trent started we could have won this game.

Coaches say a lot that nothing decides games like turnovers.

Trent hasn't had a multiple-turnover game yet.

[SquishDaFish]

We wouldnt of won with Edwards either. JP blows yes but Edwards isnt a damn savior

[justasportsfan]

Coaches say a lot that nothing decides games like turnovers.

Trent hasn't had a multiple-turnover game yet.

thats like saying his crap stinks less.

don't try and justify his INT's and make it look they weren't so bad because they weren't mutiple times in a game . Most of them were thrown when the game is on the line. I'd rather still have Flutie over Robosack. Flutie had multiple ints in a game but during crunch time, you know you still had a chance.

[Michael82]

We wouldnt of won with Edwards either. JP blows yes but Edwards isnt a damn savior

EXACTLY!

[mybills]

This was a winnable game. JP cost us the game. Yeah special teams were horrible and the D can always play better but the game was winnable.

I am convinced that had Trent started we could have won this game.

My sig is wrong...FACE IT!

[Philagape]

thats like saying his crap stinks less.
don't try and justify his INT's and make it look they weren't so bad because they weren't mutiple times in a game . Most of them were thrown when the game is on the line.

Two of them. Two out of five is not most.

If we had just one TO in this game, we have a good chance to win. It's the multiple turnovers that cost it.

So yes, Trent's crap stinks less. We should have taken the chance. JP had zero, just like I said last week, because when a guy is in his third year playing and still looks like a rookie, then you know what you have in him. At least the actual rookie has a chance to get better. Unknown is better than zero.

[mybills]

Sure, JP deserves some, those turnovers were back breakers... but don't neglect the rest of the team.

How about the defense that couldn't stop a 3rd and long all day long?

Or what about the special teams that couldn't return anything for more than 15 yards, or who committed some extremely stupid and costly penalties?

Or the coaching staff with some of the same old predictable play calling over and over?

This was a total team effort in terms of not getting the job done, no one person should be getting all the blame this time.

We got beat by the better team and yet again hung in there for most of the game despite our best efforts to play like crap.

I have to say, I love the effort and the ability to play over their heads for some of our young guys that have come out of virtually no where this year, but we still desperately need some good veteran leaders in some key positions (QB first and foremost, I don't believe Edwards is our answer there either), as well as some coaches that have some guts to change things up once in a while.

[The King]

the oline looked like a different unit today.

[shelby]

i don't understand how some of you can insist that if Edwards had played at QB, we wouldn't have lost the game.

i agree wholeheartedly with BMN and Pat. Losman is to blame for this loss. He was awful today, in every aspect, and made very costly turnovers. But, to some degree, every player who stepped foot on the field today is also to blame for the loss.
You can't rationally blame it all on JP.