Well how much the Bills players will improve is totally unknown at this point, yet you are "optimistic" about the Bills this year. So, are you optimistic about the Jets too?Originally Posted by Jan Reimers
I guess "optimistic" is the wrong word because no Bills fan would ever feel good about the prospect of the Jets being better. So let me rephrase that: do you see the Favre move as positive for the Jets despite the unknowns?
Here is Gangreens schedule:
September
9/7 - @ MIA
9/14 - vs NE
9/22 - @ SD
9/28 - vs ARI
October
10/12 - vs CIN
10/19 - @ OAK
10/26 - vs KC
November
11/2 - @ BUF
11/9 - vs STL
11/13 - @ NE
11/23 - @ TEN
11/30 - vs DEN
December
12/7 - @ SF
12/14 - vs BUF
12/21 - @ SEA
12/28 - vs MIA
I think it is pretty clear that there is a big difference between 38 and 24.
C'mon.
Here is what Brett Farve has around him this year;
1000 yd rusher in Thomas Jones
1000 yd WR in Jericho Cotchery who is probably the most underrated WR in the NFL
A dynamic Laveranues Coles who only needs a QB who can get him the ball.
An OL that allowed 53 sacks last year
What potentially may be one of the best young D's in pro football between; Ellis, Jenkins, Harris, Gholston, Pace, Miller, Revis, and Rhodes.
To not think the Jets are both better than us and a legit playoff contender is very very bias opinion. The Jets don't need Brett Farve to even be as good as he was last year. He could be Dilfer like and they are still better than us. Its really that simple guys.
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Its not my words, normally Id agree with you, but if you are going to make bold statements with no limits then expect to be called out on it. Also find me a coach almost anywhere who takes a young guy over a proven veteran. Just one thats all Im saying...
Quit focusing on semantics.
Why would I ever do that? This entire board is based on that.
But my point remains true, find me one coach who would not take a proven all-pro vet over a young player. Just one.
But he is not Dilfer like. Can Favre become a game manager (the style of QB the Jets offense is built for) or he will he try to be a gunslinger?
Favre is boom or bust due to his style of play and there are so many other variables that will come with him (including heightened media attention and the pressure of playng in NYC) that NOTHING is guarenteed.
Although I do agree 100% on their defense. It is going to be very good.
A 39 year old QB isn't growing year to year like a 24 year old QB so your comparison isn't even close.
Good point, he can't be Dilfer like but even Farve's worst year (06, and 05) are still better than the Clemens, Pennington team. So even if he is as bad as he was then, I still think the Jets are better than us. They have more weapons, and a better D.
Nobody was making the comparison, I was simply making a point.
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Touche.
Do you know you people actually sound insane to me?
A guy that has been great his whole life is now going to suck...
Yet a guy who has never proven anything in school or the pros..
is going to be (and is) great?
Honestly what do you people smoke before posting?
my comments to all this is this:
1. Brett doesn't need a system. he does his thing. in the last two years he looked awful and he looked good. Awful coincided with the bears defense being really good. Good Brett occured when his entire division fell apart. So i think his chances in the East tend to look more like Bad Brett. Dolphins, Bills and Patriots have pretty good defenses. Definitely a step up from the NFC North Defenses of last year.
2. I'd be more concerned if he was in OTA's and a prolevel training situation then was traded to the Jets. Instead, all I've heard is he retired (i assume when you do that, you let yourself go for a few weeks), waffled on coming back (probably worked out on his own in that period on a less than NFL strigent basis), and then decided to come back and was throwing footballs with highschoolers. So, what kind of playing shape is he in? Wouldn't a 38 year old need some serious conditioning year-round to have a shot to get through the season?
If Brett plays like brett of Old, then it's a problem for the Bills. If he looks uncomfortable and continues to act like a Primadonna, the Jets have themselves a problem.
those are my thoughts.
The Jets are a playoff contender and have at least pulled even with the Bills, as far as possibilities.
Their possible range of wins is pretty wide, because while Favre is high-reward, he's also high-risk. He could light it up, or he could have Jets fans calling for Clemens.
Favre's presence alone changes things. TJones will have more room to run. Coles and Cotchery will look better, and they were decent to begin with. Keller's been looking pretty good, or so I've read. The line may struggle to protect Favre; his games streak is in way more jeopardy now.
The Bills have just as many questions and uncertainties, if not more. If there was one thing they clearly did better than the Jets, it's pass protection, but now that's in trouble with Peters out.
Their defenses are very comparable: they were right next to each other in points allowed last year; they both added a former Pro Bowl DT and a veteran LB; and they both have young, promising inside LBs. But the Jets have a better secondary right now.
So while Favre has too many questions to guarantee anything, their potential is unquestionably equal to Buffalo's at the least.
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I wouldn't call the two seasons prior to last year great.
2006 3,885 YDS 18 TD's 18 INT's
2005 3,881 YDS 20 TD's 29 INT's
Last year Favre was great. He had a nice groupe of WR's and a really solid running game. I don't know what to make of this whole thing. I guess it depends on which Favre the Jets get. Is he going to be the Favre of last year, or is he going to revert to the Favre of the two seasons prior?
I don't think anybody is saying anything close to that and Brett, one of my all time favorite QBs and a top 5 of all time imo, has not always been great and is going into a 100% different situation than he has even been in.
Wow so you are saying peices around a qb and the qb effect each other...hmm.
Quite different then before when we "Only" had to look at the qb.
Yes it will be different.
But to infer that he will suck when the past will tell us the opposite.
When the other assumed great when he has done nothing is silly to me.
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