Taking the extra point vs going for two

[HAMMER]

Several times this season DJ has kicked the extra point when I feel he should be going for two. I know there is a chart, but to me common sense says you try to make it a 7 point game vs a 6 point game.

[Mr. Pink]

Re: Taking the extra point vs going for two

Um, that TD put us up 9.

16-7

[Typ0]

Re: Taking the extra point vs going for two

Um, that TD put us up 9.

16-7

in hammer land 16 - 7 = 6 apparently.

[OpIv37]

Re: Taking the extra point vs going for two

Well, if 1 gives you a six point lead and 2 gives you a 7 point lead, that means that 0 gives you a 5 point lead.

I think the reason they go for 1 when it's a 5 point lead before the XP is because if they don't get it, two FG's can win the game. If they get the one, then two FG's can only tie it and a TD is needed to win.

Plus, if it's late in the game and one team is up by 5 and the other team scores, that puts them up 1 before the XP. If the team goes for 1, a FG still beats them. If they go for 2, then a FG can only tie. If the first team is up by 6 rather than 5 before giving up a TD, then they can still come back to win with a field goal.

Long story short, being up by 5 is not an advantageous position because of the way scoring is done in football, and taking 1 is a higher percentage play than trying to get 2.

[Lexwhat]

Re: Taking the extra point vs going for two

He meant 10 points instead of 9...

Trust me Hammer, I thought EXACTLY the same thing. I was screaming at the TV that they should go for 2 (I also screamed when they didn't go for it on 4th and goal in the 1st quarter).

They were smart earlier this year (I think against the Rams) when they went for the 2 pointer instead of the extra point. But for some reason, they didn't do that yesterday.

[billsfanone]

Re: Taking the extra point vs going for two

You miss the 2pt to go up by 5, then 2 fgs you lose.

[Mr. Pink]

Re: Taking the extra point vs going for two

So you chase the points on the chance to go up 10?

When we showed earlier in the game we couldn't punch it in from that distance on 3 straight tries?

Then we miss that 2 point conversion and only stay up 8!

Going up 9 is more important than being up 8....two possession game.

[psubills62]

Re: Taking the extra point vs going for two

I think Jauron will always go for 1 if a) there's enough time for the opponents to get two FG's, or b) if we're down but still have time to come back. Yes, it's nice to see 10 point leads and 7 point leads versus 9 and 6, but they can come back to haunt you.

[Pinkerton Security]

Re: Taking the extra point vs going for two

ya some calls Jauron makes we can argue with, but with all that Ivy league education in our coaching staff, I'll leave it to them to determine what is statistically the play to make as far as XP's and 2 pt. conversions go.

[Lexwhat]

Re: Taking the extra point vs going for two

Well, if 1 gives you a six point lead and 2 gives you a 7 point lead, that means that 0 gives you a 5 point lead.

We were up 15 to 7 before the extra point. I would've gone for 2. Did you remember earlier this year when we went for 2 against the Rams? It was a great decision. We need to be aggressive on the road.

If you remember, the Dolphins had a penalty on that extra point attempt too. Instead of tacking those 5 yards to the end of the kickoff, we could've accepted that penalty differently (half the distance to the goal) and went for the 2 point conversion from the 1 yard line.

If they didn't like the 2 point conversion from the 2 yard line, then why didn't they try again from the 1 yard line? Makes no damn sense to me.

[Typ0]

Re: Taking the extra point vs going for two

We were up 15 to 7 before the extra point. I would've gone for 2. Did you remember earlier this year when we went for 2 against the Rams? It was a great decision. We need to be aggressive on the road.

If you remember, the Dolphins had a penalty on that extra point attempt too. Instead of tacking those 5 yards to the end of the kickoff, we could've accepted that penalty differently (half the distance to the goal) and went for the 2 point conversion from the 1 yard line.

If they didn't like the 2 point conversion from the 2 yard line, then why didn't they try again from the 1 yard line? Makes no damn sense to me.

so you could gurantee it's a two possession game and you would risk leaving it where one possession could tie it up. That's not too smart IMO.

[Lexwhat]

Re: Taking the extra point vs going for two

So you chase the points on the chance to go up 10?

When we showed earlier in the game we couldn't punch it in from that distance on 3 straight tries?

This is incorrect. It was only 1 attempt from the 1 yard line, and Fred Jackson ran it that time.

1st and Goal from the 5 yard line: Jackson gains 1 yard.
2nd and Goal from the 4 yard line: Jackson gains 3 yards.
3rd and Goal from the 1 yard line: Jackson gains 0 yards.
4th and Goal: Field goal.


I would've run Marshawn Lynch. Hell, even Corey Mcintyre !!

[OpIv37]

Re: Taking the extra point vs going for two

We were up 15 to 7 before the extra point. I would've gone for 2. Did you remember earlier this year when we went for 2 against the Rams? It was a great decision. We need to be aggressive on the road.

If you remember, the Dolphins had a penalty on that extra point attempt too. Instead of tacking those 5 yards to the end of the kickoff, we could've accepted that penalty differently (half the distance to the goal) and went for the 2 point conversion from the 1 yard line.

If they didn't like the 2 point conversion from the 2 yard line, then why didn't they try again from the 1 yard line? Makes no damn sense to me.

I see your point, but I'm sure the coaches didn't want to take points off the board after the XP already went through. Still, at that stage of the game, you have to go for it. Even if you fail, it would still take a touchdown and a 2-point just to tie.

[Lexwhat]

Re: Taking the extra point vs going for two

so you could gurantee it's a two possession game and you would risk leaving it where one possession could tie it up. That's not too smart IMO.

It depends on who the opponent is and what the situation is.

The Bills were actually running the ball effectively against the Dolphins. If we accepted that penalty differently on Miami, we would have gotten the extra point attempt at the 1 yard line.

Our O-Line is so big, and I think we could have gotten a push against the Dolphins D-Line. Put in a tough runner like Lynch or McIntyre, and I think we could have gotten 1 yard.

[Lexwhat]

Re: Taking the extra point vs going for two

I see your point, but I'm sure the coaches didn't want to take points off the board after the XP already went through. Still, at that stage of the game, you have to go for it. Even if you fail, it would still take a touchdown and a 2-point just to tie.

When the game started, I was fully prepared to see the Bills lose. It's a tough divisional road game, and Miami is coached very well (better than the Jets). The Dolphins are a young, motivated, and hungry team that believes in each other. Meanwhile, the Jets have a bunch of overpaid vets, and I don't think Mangini has developed good team chemistry. I think we win easily next weekend.

So anyways, when I watched the game, I knew we had to be aggressive to beat the Dolphins. The way we beat the Raiders is the same way the Dolphins beat us. The Dolphins stay calm and are capable of getting back into the game. That's the reason I wanted to go for it on 4th and 1 in the 1st quarter, and also for that 2 pointer.