Russ Grimm

[soapman]

Ok what's with the lovefest for Russ Grimm? I'm just curious because alot of zoners want him as our next coach. What has he done to make him the best candidate? I mean the guy is an offensive line coach! He served under Cowher, so what! I mean if I had my choice, I'd take Weis over Grimm just on the fact that he served under arguably one of the best coaches in history A. and B. he took a green Tom Brady and made him one of the best quarterbacks of all time. Say what you want about him but Tim Brady and that offense minus the one super year, hasn't been the same since he left. If he can do what he did with that rag tag team that beat the greatest show on turf, I would be excited to see what he can do with this bunch of misfits. What has Grimm done, coached a team to the leading ypg rushing average? IMO of course.

[RockStar36]

He was a large part of the Steelers first SB run and when he went over to Arizona with Wisenhunt, the Cards immediately became a contender.

[Beastie Bills]

Well, our offensive line has been pathetic since Jimbo was still the QB, so I'd like a coach who will address our OLine problems.

[justasportsfan]

Well, our offensive line has been pathetic since Jimbo was still the QB, so I'd like a coach who will address our OLine problems.

you don't need an OL coach for HC to address that. An offensive minded coach can do that as well.

Grimm is a great OL coach. Does he know how to develop a qb? a rb? X's and O's when D's give you different looks?

[kernowboy]

Ok

1. Grimm is an exceptional coach particularly on the OL having made both Samuels and Jansen at the Redskins into stellar players, and turned a bunch of average players at both the Steelers and the Cardinals into a decent winning line.

2. He is known as an unassuming blue collar guy with no airs and frills who gets the job done .... we don't need a press wannabe, we want someone who despises losing

3. He has 4 SuperBowl rings, three as a player, one as a coach. The guy knows how to win.

4. He learnt under not just Bill Cowher, but Joe Gibbs who he played for and who gave him his first break

5. Not only is he an OL expert but he is the running game co-ordinator at the Cardinals turning Hightower into an acceptable RB.

6. It was literally a coin toss between him and Mike Tomlin for the Steelers job - he's not good at selling himself which is good for us.

7. Brady's record post Weis 2004-07 is as good as with him

8. Grimm does not have failure on his record in the way Weis has.

Why the love-in with Weis should be the question? Grimm hasn't had to rely on cheating costing his team a R1 pick and heavy fines the way the Patriot coaches have

[kernowboy]

you don't need an OL coach for HC to address that. An offensive minded coach can do that as well.

Grimm is a great OL coach. Does he know how to develop a qb? a rb? X's and O's when D's give you different looks?

No but a Head Coach is rarely responsible for QB development - that is often the OCs job and hiring an OC like Hue Jackson who developed Carson Palmer could easily solve that issue

[justasportsfan]

No but a Head Coach is rarely responsible for QB development - that is often the OCs job and hiring an OC like Hue Jackson who developed Carson Palmer could easily solve that issue

I would put my faith on a proven OC than a proven OL coach running an entire offense.

BTW, I am not against Grimm but just don't know what the facination is.

[PECKERWOOD]

Ok what's with the lovefest for Russ Grimm? I'm just curious because alot of zoners want him as our next coach. What has he done to make him the best candidate? I mean the guy is an offensive line coach! He served under Cowher, so what! I mean if I had my choice, I'd take Weis over Grimm just on the fact that he served under arguably one of the best coaches in history A. and B. he took a green Tom Brady and made him one of the best quarterbacks of all time. Say what you want about him but Tim Brady and that offense minus the one super year, hasn't been the same since he left. If he can do what he did with that rag tag team that beat the greatest show on turf, I would be excited to see what he can do with this bunch of misfits. What has Grimm done, coached a team to the leading ypg rushing average? IMO of course.

Weis also coached up Brady Quinn and Jimmy Clausen pretty well too, despite Cleveland's absolute slaughtering of Quinn's development. It just seems obvious to me that if we want to have consistency at QB in Buffalo for once, Weis would be a good hire in doing so.

[baalworship]

I like Grimm but I don't see it as a big plus that he developed Chris Samuels. The guy was the third overall pick in the NFL draft.

But don't downplay his offensive line credentials. Just as Jauron couldn't help himself from picking DB's, Grimm would most likely be biased towards solid o and d line play.

[mikemac2001]

[QUOTE=justasportsfan]I would put my faith on a proven OC than a proven OL coach running an entire offense.

because our oline sucks....and it has killed this offense. our D would be better if our offense actually scored points and controlled TOP

i don;t know much about grimm but i like what ive heard about him and his background....not my top choice but i dont want charlie **** ass weis

[PECKERWOOD]

No but a Head Coach is rarely responsible for QB development - that is often the OCs job and hiring an OC like Hue Jackson who developed Carson Palmer could easily solve that issue

That's not true, quarterbacks are like a head coaches second in command. Why do you think that whenever a timeout is called, the QB goes over to talk with the head coach?

[justasportsfan]

because our oline sucks....and it has killed this offense. our D would be better if our offense actually scored points and controlled TOP

i don;t know much about grimm but i like what ive heard about him and his background....not my top choice but i dont want charlie **** ass weis

we've also had a crappy qb situation and unimaginative offensive gameplan and playcalling. I don't want Weiss as HC either.

[kernowboy]

Why the fascintation with Bill Cowher?

He's won a single superbowl at one of the best run franchises in the league

Most of his coordinators have become successful head coaches, so was Cowher the cheerleader to their expertise?

He has had superb GMs providing him with exceptional rosters.

Would he sink or swim without such a surrounding cast?

[kernowboy]

That's not true, quarterbacks are like a head coaches second in command. Why do you think that whenever a timeout is called, the QB goes over to talk with the head coach?

And what about the Head Coaches from a defensive background with no record in offensive play prior to being Head Coach?

Take the NYG - is it the defensively minded Coughlin or the OC/QB guru Chris Palmer who develops Eli Manning?

[Demon]

Prior to the game vs. Minnesota on MNF, Grimm's offensive line started 17 consecutive games. The man knows talent when he sees it. He played around with a few guys and took over a disaster of a line after Denny Green left them. Once he figured out who the top 5 linemen were, they kept on starting. What's Bills longest streak for starting lineman in the last decade?

[soapman]

Ok

1. Grimm is an exceptional coach particularly on the OL having made both Samuels and Jansen at the Redskins into stellar players, and turned a bunch of average players at both the Steelers and the Cardinals into a decent winning line.

And this makes him a good head coach candidate or a good o-line candidate?

2. He is known as an unassuming blue collar guy with no airs and frills who gets the job done .... we don't need a press wannabe, we want someone who despises losing

Who are the coaches that like losing again? Definitely don't want them.

3. He has 4 SuperBowl rings, three as a player, one as a coach. The guy knows how to win.

Gale Gilbert went to 5 straight Super Bowls. Charles Haley has 5 rings. Just because you are on the team doesn't mean you know how to win. How many play calls or decisions do you think he made in any of those 4 superbowls? I'll give you a clue. ZERO.

4. He learnt under not just Bill Cowher, but Joe Gibbs who he played for and who gave him his first break

So just because he coached under those two we should make him our coach? What has he proved? How much interaction goes on between an o-line coach and HC? How does that qualify as a good HC candidate?

5. Not only is he an OL expert but he is the running game co-ordinator at the Cardinals turning Hightower into an acceptable RB.

Wasn't he there with Edg and wasn't he there in 08 when they didn't have 1 500 yard back? Is it possible Tim Hightower or better yet the Running backs coach have something to do with that?

6. It was literally a coin toss between him and Mike Tomlin for the Steelers job - he's not good at selling himself which is good for us.

He was also passed over for Ken Whisy and Lovie Smith. All coordinators, play callers, experienced guys. Go figure. The Bills don't know anything and I damn sure know that they don't know more that the cardinals and the steelers when it comes to decisions. He was passed over for a reason. Worked out will for 2 of the 3. Oh and how is someone that CAN'T sell himself good for us?

7. Brady's record post Weis 2004-07 is as good as with him

Exactly. When Charlie was there, there was no Randy Moss/Wes Welker. There was no Marony. He did it with Troy Brown and Antwan Smith(Ugh).

8. Grimm does not have failure on his record in the way Weis has.

He also doesn't have relevant success either. Mute point.

Why the love-in with Weis should be the question? Grimm hasn't had to rely on cheating costing his team a R1 pick and heavy fines the way the Patriot coaches have

I can see your a historian. Weis left NE in 04. Spygate was 07. You are no longer a qualified opponent.

[soapman]

Prior to the game vs. Minnesota on MNF, Grimm's offensive line started 17 consecutive games. The man knows talent when he sees it. He played around with a few guys and took over a disaster of a line after Denny Green left them. Once he figured out who the top 5 linemen were, they kept on starting. What's Bills longest streak for starting lineman in the last decade?

Again, how does this equal head coach? You just made a very good case for him as a scout though. Is that position open?

[kernowboy]

Again, how does this equal head coach? You just made a very good case for him as a scout though. Is that position open?

It was rumoured that the Pats were spying as early as their win over the Rams when Weis was there.

Your slatting of Grimm is the same that come be said for any guy who has never been a Head Coach.

Grimm is the running back coordinator at the Cards so he has had a hell of a lot to do with their success on the ground. After all James, went to the Seahawks and did nothing.

You slate Grimm as an OL scout. He's identified the best 5 players and COACHED them into a successful unit

You clearly don't like Grimm so fair enough but its pretty poor to imply he has had nothing to do with the success at the Steelers or the Cards

[kernowboy]

And whilst you might think Smith, Deion Branch and Brown are useless they clearly did well enough for the Pats front office not to want to upgrade.

Now have a look at the tools Grimm had to work with including Mike Gandy at LT, yet his OL still got the Cards to the SuperBowl.

[Demon]

Again, how does this equal head coach? You just made a very good case for him as a scout though. Is that position open?

Every coach who has no HC experience is a risk. Including Weis and Grimm. Many make it, some don't. I wouldn't want Grimm with as the man with all the power, but with good coaches on both the offense and defense and a good GM, i wouldn't mind Grimm. He loves power football. He worked in Pittsburgh. He has build great lines everywhere he's been to. You build the line, the running game will follow and it will be easier to find a QB. The question will be, can Grimm (or his assistants or GM) find that QB? If not, he'll be doomed. If Weis comes and drafts the wrong QB, he'll be doomed too.

There's also a stat about 100 yard rushers in Arizona under Grimm. Pretty crazy, maybe when i have more time later i will look it up.