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    Re: Nix's agenda against Terrell Owens

    Quote Originally Posted by patmoran2006
    Someone said that their history wasn't good.
    Did they have a problem with each other or something when T.O. was in college?
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    Re: Nix's agenda against Terrell Owens

    Quote Originally Posted by patmoran2006
    Says you.

    The Bills were 6-10 last year, not 2-14. They were within 8 points of a winning record. And that despite being ravaged with injuries.

    Every single year teams come from below the middle of the pack into the playoffs.

    We can disagree, and that's fine. .But the Bills aren't automatically not playoff contenders next year.........But if they're going to do nothing in FA, then yeah.

    Maybe your sold on the organization's build through the draft exclusively theory, but I'm not.

    There are plenty of good teams that sign plenty of free agents and are good teams, and more than just 1-2.

    and BTW, building the "right way" constitutes signing a dozen year vet from the Raiders to play right tackle?

    That's my point.. Buffalo isn't building anything... They are being cheap.. in 3 years it will be the same thing all over again.
    We won 6 but c'mon. You know this team was awful. It should have never won 6 games.

    As for the build through the draft, of course i believe in it. Why shouldn't I? Almost every team out there is build via the draft, the good teams i should say. Unlike the NBA or NHL, you build titles with good solid drafts and by signing "bums" who turn into gold, aka Harrison from Pitt signed as a undrafted FA, Tony Romo in Dallas gave them big help, Welker in NE, ect.

    The good teams add depth via FA market. The bad teams try to fix their flaws. It doesn't work. Not in this legaue.

    The Bills stink because they can't do anything via the draft in the past 10 years. They've missed too many times. Last year, they had a good draft..... they need to build on it. They still need 2 maybe 3 good draft years before they are good again. It sucks, i know, obviously. But, don't kid yourself to think this team is "close" to being good.

    They need a QB.... a #2 WR... a LT....a RG..... on defense NT, DE (im assuming)..... 1 or 2 LB.

    As for Cornell Green. If he stays out of trouble, i think it's a good signing. We are in rebuilding mode. We need to sign guys on pretty cheap, but they still have to be decent. Green is actually a decent player. Whats the point paying a bazillion dollars for a OL and their contracts run out when our team of skilled players around them is ready to shine? It's called a stop gap.

    I was pro-signing TO last year. I thought our line was better then what they were (i was wrong), i thought our defense was much better (i was wrong) and i thought Trent Edwards was the real deal (i was wrong). Now, with so many holes, it makes NO sense to bring in Owens.

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    Re: Nix's agenda against Terrell Owens

    Letting Owens (and Reed) go without even offering them ro resign was stupid. Every game Buffalo decided to throw him the ball, he produced. I'm sorry that he showed "lack of heart" during the games where he ran wide open every play and was thrown one or two passes.
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    Re: Nix's agenda against Terrell Owens

    It has nothing to do with what he did last year. It has everything to do with the fact the Bills hired two guys Nix and Whaley who live, sleep and breath football and a head coach committed to developing a QB of the future.... they want to re-build once again but the RIGHT way. With "football people" and not by signing big names to sell tickets and win 1-2 extra games to "please" fans. Winning 6 or 7 games is not acceptable anymore. They need to do whatever it takes the next 2-3 years, and rebuild the right way, and become a playoff team in 3 years. Signing Owens right now does NOT help in that plan in any way.

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    Re: Nix's agenda against Terrell Owens

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon
    We won 6 but c'mon. You know this team was awful. It should have never won 6 games.

    As for the build through the draft, of course i believe in it. Why shouldn't I? Almost every team out there is build via the draft, the good teams i should say. Unlike the NBA or NHL, you build titles with good solid drafts and by signing "bums" who turn into gold, aka Harrison from Pitt signed as a undrafted FA, Tony Romo in Dallas gave them big help, Welker in NE, ect.

    The good teams add depth via FA market. The bad teams try to fix their flaws. It doesn't work. Not in this legaue.

    The Bills stink because they can't do anything via the draft in the past 10 years. They've missed too many times. Last year, they had a good draft..... they need to build on it. They still need 2 maybe 3 good draft years before they are good again. It sucks, i know, obviously. But, don't kid yourself to think this team is "close" to being good.

    They need a QB.... a #2 WR... a LT....a RG..... on defense NT, DE (im assuming)..... 1 or 2 LB.

    As for Cornell Green. If he stays out of trouble, i think it's a good signing. We are in rebuilding mode. We need to sign guys on pretty cheap, but they still have to be decent. Green is actually a decent player. Whats the point paying a bazillion dollars for a OL and their contracts run out when our team of skilled players around them is ready to shine? It's called a stop gap.

    I was pro-signing TO last year. I thought our line was better then what they were (i was wrong), i thought our defense was much better (i was wrong) and i thought Trent Edwards was the real deal (i was wrong). Now, with so many holes, it makes NO sense to bring in Owens.
    Those are all good points.


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    Re: Nix's agenda against Terrell Owens

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon
    We won 6 but c'mon. You know this team was awful. It should have never won 6 games.

    As for the build through the draft, of course i believe in it. Why shouldn't I? Almost every team out there is build via the draft, the good teams i should say. Unlike the NBA or NHL, you build titles with good solid drafts and by signing "bums" who turn into gold, aka Harrison from Pitt signed as a undrafted FA, Tony Romo in Dallas gave them big help, Welker in NE, ect.

    The good teams add depth via FA market. The bad teams try to fix their flaws. It doesn't work. Not in this legaue.

    The Bills stink because they can't do anything via the draft in the past 10 years. They've missed too many times. Last year, they had a good draft..... they need to build on it. They still need 2 maybe 3 good draft years before they are good again. It sucks, i know, obviously. But, don't kid yourself to think this team is "close" to being good.

    They need a QB.... a #2 WR... a LT....a RG..... on defense NT, DE (im assuming)..... 1 or 2 LB.

    As for Cornell Green. If he stays out of trouble, i think it's a good signing. We are in rebuilding mode. We need to sign guys on pretty cheap, but they still have to be decent. Green is actually a decent player. Whats the point paying a bazillion dollars for a OL and their contracts run out when our team of skilled players around them is ready to shine? It's called a stop gap.

    I was pro-signing TO last year. I thought our line was better then what they were (i was wrong), i thought our defense was much better (i was wrong) and i thought Trent Edwards was the real deal (i was wrong). Now, with so many holes, it makes NO sense to bring in Owens.
    I think this is exactly what went through Nix's head when he was hired. He knows our team is devoid of talent and I'm thankful that he isn't deluding himself into thinking we're a few players away like Levy/Jauron did.
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    Re: Nix's agenda against Terrell Owens

    Quote Originally Posted by Dicknoze69
    I think this is exactly what went through Nix's head when he was hired. He knows our team is devoid of talent and I'm thankful that he isn't deluding himself into thinking we're a few players away like Levy/Jauron did.
    A couple of crappy teams from the previous year make the playoffs EVERY SEASON.

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    Re: Nix's agenda against Terrell Owens

    My opinion is T.O. causes a divide on this team. I don't even think it is intentional.

    He is an intimidating presence to have to deal with if you are a QB. I think that's what we saw, as much as all of his other issues, with Trent.

    Just imagine...you are the QB, you are supposed to lead a team. Then, here comes T.O. He is ten times the leader you are. He is charismatic, and a sure-fire HOF'er. Oh, and he also has a history of throwing his QB under the bus, in any multitude of ways.

    He becomes visibly upset, and starts to give up when he isn't thrown the ball. This reminds me of something that I wanted to say after sitting in the stands hearing "T.O. was wide open" or "T.O. was single covered" or any of the other bull****.

    More than anybody else, the fault for last years offense was on AVP. To have Evans/Owens and Jackson/Lynch, and not be able to score is horrible. Evans/Owens were constantly running straight down the sidelines. CB in man to man with safeties dropping back, when it became apparent we were passing, which wasn't exactly like picking the lottery numbers. They were shut down completely. We didn't have the arm to get them the ball. If TE wanted short passes, we should have let him throw them...instead all he had was TE and RB to check down to, because his WR were 40 yds downfield.

    Also, another problem was we tried to force the ball to T.O. way too ****ing much. Too many times they would force some **** throw to him and we would see one of our trademark 3 and outs.

    I won't deny he has talent, but there is a reason Cincy went with Bryant.

    The reason Nix, and I am sure Gailey, doesn't want T.O. back is because he is not exactly a team player. He tries, on occasion, but it's not his makeup. He is a superstar. He is a poor fit on a team of young guys that you want to congeal, into a unit. He is polarizing...you either love him or hate him, which divides the locker room. That is a guarantee. There were guys that had been friends for years that took different sides on him last year, I would be willing to bet.

    It is a tough choice, because he is a very good receiver, and we could really use his skills. I like the idea of a "team," and think that is what to the Dukes of OBD have in mind, and I really don't see T.O. as a "team" guy. It is a tough call, especially since I have always liked T.O.


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    Re: Nix's agenda against Terrell Owens

    Even if Owens doesn't have heart like some of you say atleast he is still noticeable on the field unlike the 9 million a year disappearing man Lee Evans

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    Re: Nix's agenda against Terrell Owens

    Quote Originally Posted by patmoran2006
    Says you.

    The Bills were 6-10 last year, not 2-14. They were within 8 points of a winning record. And that despite being ravaged with injuries.

    Every single year teams come from below the middle of the pack into the playoffs.

    We can disagree, and that's fine. .But the Bills aren't automatically not playoff contenders next year.........But if they're going to do nothing in FA, then yeah.

    Maybe your sold on the organization's build through the draft exclusively theory, but I'm not.

    There are plenty of good teams that sign plenty of free agents and are good teams, and more than just 1-2.

    and BTW, building the "right way" constitutes signing a dozen year vet from the Raiders to play right tackle?

    That's my point.. Buffalo isn't building anything... They are being cheap.. in 3 years it will be the same thing all over again.


    Perfect Example: NY Jets of last season...they signed how many solid FA's and nearly got to the superbowl a year later.

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    Re: Nix's agenda against Terrell Owens

    Quote Originally Posted by jae1986
    Perfect Example: NY Jets of last season...they signed how many solid FA's and nearly got to the superbowl a year later.
    I don't know, how many... tell me?

    Bart Scott was the big one obviously and Jimmy Leonard, but i don't think he had that big of a difference. I don't recall any other big free agent signings on defense?

    On offense.... they traded for B.Edwards early in the year and drafted Greene and Sanchez. Other then that, i think rest were returnees.

    No?

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    Re: Nix's agenda against Terrell Owens

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon
    I don't know, how many... tell me?

    Bart Scott was the big one obviously and Jimmy Leonard, but i don't think he had that big of a difference. I don't recall any other big free agent signings on defense?

    On offense.... they traded for B.Edwards early in the year and drafted Greene and Sanchez. Other then that, i think rest were returnees.

    No?
    A lot of players were added in FA, although not all last year. Thomas Jones, Kris Jenkins, Scott, Leonhard, Edwards (in trade), Alan Faneca, Damien Woody, Lito Sheppard, Marques Douglas, and Tony Richardson.

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    Re: Nix's agenda against Terrell Owens

    Quote Originally Posted by patmoran2006
    75% of T.O. is better than anything not named Lee Evans on this roster or what's left in FA if Mason resigns with Baltimore.
    better at what? dropping passes? giving up?

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    Re: Nix's agenda against Terrell Owens

    Quote Originally Posted by Griff
    better at what? dropping passes? giving up?
    Better numbers than Lee Evans?

    At worst, Owens is better than Hardy and the rest of the receivers on a now very bare WR open market.

    And we certainly dont have the luxury of using a draft pick early.

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    Re: Nix's agenda against Terrell Owens

    A team has emerged as being interested in Owens.


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