I agree. But the thread starter basically says that because we didn't get Parcells, Shanahan or Cowher, that we won't be any good. He is far more than apprehensive. He trashes the Nix and Gailey hires before they even have a chance to prove themselves.Originally Posted by FunTimesYaY!
This "we've been bad in the past, so we'll be just as bad in the future until we hire [fill in the glamor name de jour]" irritates me. I simply believe in giving people a chance to succeed or fail on their own.
Last edited by Jan Reimers; 07-16-2010 at 07:24 AM.
Should have known, way back in 1960 when we drafted Richie Lucas Number 1, that this would be a long, hard ride. But who could have known it would be THIS bad?
How far did their careers go?
After Gailey? No where. But with Gailey they experienced some success.
I am The Batman.
Core issue?
We don't have the money the big boys do.
We have to catch lighning in a bottle in consecutive
drafts and find gems in 2nd tier Fa's and maybe plug
in one or two big name FA in last year. Hope they play
well.Then we have to hope the scheme and stars are
alined and the ball bounces our way.
Bottom line for us.
Hated by the stupid..
Loved by their moms.
And that was justa's point. That Gailey got a lot of milage out of QBs who were not very good, and never did much without him.
Last edited by Jan Reimers; 07-16-2010 at 10:18 AM.
he ended up in the playoffs. one thing i hate about the last 4 years is that wins were almost meaningless. there were only maybe 2 wins a season in sept through oct where it felt like, "ohhh, we're in the thick of things." then we'd lose and lose badly for 4 weeks, and then 3 wins would be so irritating to win, and then a win in garbage time.
It made the season so worthless. if gailey can make the wins enjoyable, i'm going to give gailey a ton of credit. i don't really remember feeling joy from bills win on a regular basis since that bizarre run in 2004.
We have a winner. Add Thigpen to that list. Gailey got something out of him.
I don't like the argument of giving everyone a chance and having them prove themselves because it is this type of thinking that got us here in the first place. We tried to give DJ a second chance, and allow him to prove himself. His situation Chicago was difficult and he still won Coach of the Year with a no-name QB and no stars! Obviouly we should of given him a chance. Now it's Gailies turn.I agree. But the thread starter basically says that because we didn't get Parcells, Shanahan or Cowher, that we won't be any good. He is far more than apprehensive. He trashes the Nix and Gailey hires before they even have a chance to prove themselves.
The logIc of giving everyone a chance and not knowing what you have until they prove themselves is falty. Imagine if they hired your Grandma as a coach, would you still make the same argument, and if not why not? Becuase some hires are just obviously bad, or not great (gaily).
As far as proving oneself. DJ, Gaily, and all other coaches are proving themselves on a constant basis. They have Bern coaches before and we know what we will get and what we won't get.
I think Gaily is at best a middle of the road coach, he is not great, he is hopefully not dreadful. In order for him to produce a winner, he will need really good pieces, and even with such pieces we won't be great. There are only a few great coaches per generation who go on to win SBs and I don't think Gaily is one if those types of guys. BTW that should be our goal, hopefully
there is something called a salery cap, so the big can not outspend us if we choose to spend on players. There is a thread on her that shows how much we are spending vs other teams. You will see that the Bills are actually spending more than both the Cowboys and the Patriots!!! Yes, in thus case we are outspending the big boys, difference is their $$$$ go towards superstars while ours go towads scrubs with 'potential'!!!Core issue?
We don't have the money the big boys do.
We have to catch lighning in a bottle in consecutive
drafts and find gems in 2nd tier Fa's and maybe plug
in one or two big name FA in last year. Hope they play
well.Then we have to hope the scheme and stars are
alined and the ball bounces our way.
Bottom line for us.
There are no guarantees in this league whether you have a proven coach or a new coach.
If teams didn't give coaches asecond chance then the PAts wouldn't have a dynasty. The giants wouldnt have won a sb with their current coaches.
The broncos arguably have a better team than when Shanahan left and this is with a rookie coach in McDaniels. Time will tell where the broncos are headed and if Shanahan can build a SB team in Washington.
Did we screw up with Dick? Certainly. But teams like the fins did screw up with guys Cameron and replaced him with a first time coach like Sparano who so far has done a decent job. Same goes for 1st time jets coach, Ryan.
THe saints hired a first time coach and ended up with a SB.
If we hired either Peyton ,Sparano or Ryan, people would be complaining too . So no matter who we hire, we're screwed.
Last edited by justasportsfan; 07-16-2010 at 01:20 PM.
I think at our level, the level that the Bills organization is at, picking a Head Coach, or even a Player is a total crap shoot. On this I agree with you a hundred percent. In fact, the Bills are worst than random chance. If a monkey was random picking a coach for us out of a pool of candidates, the monkey might have gotten one right by now.There are no guarantees in this league whether you have a proven coach or a new coach.
If teams didn't give coaches asecond chance then the PAts wouldn't have a dynasty. The giants wouldnt have won a sb with their current coaches.
The broncos arguably have a better team than when Shanahan left and this is with a rookie coach in McDaniels. Time will tell where the broncos are headed and if Shanahan can build a SB team in Washington.
Did we screw up with Dick? Certainly. But teams like the fins did screw up with guys Cameron and replaced him with a first time coach like Sparano who so far has done a decent job. Same goes for 1st time jets coach, Ryan.
THe saints hired a first time coach and ended up with a SB.
If we hired either Peyton ,Sparano or Ryan, people would be complaining too . So no matter who we hire, we're screwed.
I also think that the really good GMs know how to pick a good coach, and get good players. One guy that has been exceptionally consistent on this has been Bill Parcels. He has his formula, his ways, and what he is doing works! (FYI he started by winning a SBs with what was a poor Giants Team, then took over for one of the loosing-est franchises in the Pats and also took them to SB, then turned around a 1-15 Jets team and took them to playoffs following year and eventually to AFC championship game, he turned a perennial loosing Cowboys team into a winning team, then he turned our the 1-15 Dolphins and got them to win a very stout AFC East Division the following year! Now that is way better than random chance)
Bill Polian is also an example of a Great GM who has had a good track record of hiring the right coaches.
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