The Bills Pattern...and solving their Core Issue

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  • justasportsfan
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    • Jul 2002
    • 71579

    #16
    Re: The Bills Pattern...and solving their Core Issue

    After a power struggle with Cowher , Donahoe wanted a yes man for his coach. That was his problem.
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    • Johnny Bugmenot
      Will not tolerate vandalism.
      • Apr 2006
      • 4311

      #17
      Re: The Bills Pattern...and solving their Core Issue

      Originally posted by madness
      Little known fact: Whaley is known for his great scouting ability of 3-4 defenders... when he's not fwd'ing porn emails.
      *resists urge to make Carl Paladino joke... thinks to self "save it for the Spin Zone..."*

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      • Spiderweb
        ....formerly OhBF
        • Sep 2003
        • 787

        #18
        Re: The Bills Pattern...and solving their Core Issue

        Originally posted by FunTimesYaY!
        Mularkey wasn't fired. He quit.
        Wasn't there a bit more to this? Seems I recall that Levy OK'd Mularkey staying, but there were some heavy strings attached.

        They wanted him to quit so old Ralphie might escape paying Mularkey like he ultimately had to with Wade Philips.

        Anyone....chip in on the details..

        Mularkey quit, but after having been neutered.
        Last edited by Spiderweb; 07-15-2010, 09:53 PM.
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        • BillsWin
          man amongst boys
          • Oct 2008
          • 6025

          #19
          Re: The Bills Pattern...and solving their Core Issue

          Nix and Gailey feel different for some reason.

          Nix is a genuine football guy with experience and a proven track record. A young man like Whaley now sits in waiting for Nix to retire, but not before he picks up a few things from a seasoned talent evaluator.

          Gailey has gotten the most out of nothing when it comes to quarterbacks, a position that's been horrific for the Bills this decade. Gailey also comes as a guy with a good resume of offense, and the ability to not only teach his players solid fundamentals and execution, but discipline. Something that the Bills have lacked as an organization for a while now.

          I think what the Bills did this season was smart. They went after the big fish, but when nothing bit they fell to revamping their front office and putting a guy in place who can coach at the playoff level.

          The thing I like best about the moves this year is the organization of it all.

          They bring in a very good talent evaluator with every intention of building through the draft rather than seeking the quick fix. They promote that man to GM.

          They bring in a solid young front office guy in Whaley who is almost certain do do a solid job bringing in veterans who fit the schemes and philosophies of Nix.

          But the best thing about this, is everyone is focused on the same plan and believes in it.

          You hear all this talk from players about how with Jauron as head coach there was never one voice giving them direction. There were conflicting opinions and ideas coming from all different sources with no plan and no clear way of doing things.

          I have been wondering lately if that's how the front office was being run as well....

          We hear reports that Modrak and Nix didn't want Maybin, they thought he'd take too long to develop. But Jauron override them.

          Maybe decisions at One Bills Dr. weren't as easily made as they should be. If everyone sticks to the same plan and are really focused on turning this ship around, then that's about all you can ask for when the Cowhers and Shanahans of the world turn you down.
          I am The Batman.

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          • jamze132
            Don’t hate…
            • Jun 2003
            • 29321

            #20
            Re: The Bills Pattern...and solving their Core Issue

            For the first time in many years, I feel confident in the direction we are moving. At least finally football people are running the show.

            We had a prime time to make some playoffs when our defense was killer back in the day and sadly, it was wasted.

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            • Jan Reimers
              Thank You, Terry and Kim, for Saving the Bills. Now, Work on the Sabres.
              • May 2003
              • 17353

              #21
              Re: The Bills Pattern...and solving their Core Issue

              Originally posted by FunTimesYaY!

              It's OK for people to be a little apprehensive about the hire.
              I agree. But the thread starter basically says that because we didn't get Parcells, Shanahan or Cowher, that we won't be any good. He is far more than apprehensive. He trashes the Nix and Gailey hires before they even have a chance to prove themselves.

              This "we've been bad in the past, so we'll be just as bad in the future until we hire [fill in the glamor name de jour]" irritates me. I simply believe in giving people a chance to succeed or fail on their own.
              Last edited by Jan Reimers; 07-16-2010, 07:24 AM.
              Should have known, way back in 1960 when we drafted Richie Lucas Number 1, that this would be a long, hard ride. But who could have known it would be THIS bad?

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              • Mahdi
                Registered User
                • Mar 2004
                • 10585

                #22
                Re: The Bills Pattern...and solving their Core Issue

                Originally posted by justasportsfan
                Kordell, Tomzack, Fiedler , Thigpen disagrees with you.
                How far did their careers go?

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                • BillsWin
                  man amongst boys
                  • Oct 2008
                  • 6025

                  #23
                  Re: The Bills Pattern...and solving their Core Issue

                  Originally posted by Mahdi
                  How far did their careers go?
                  After Gailey? No where. But with Gailey they experienced some success.
                  I am The Batman.

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                  • acehole
                    Registered User
                    • Jan 2006
                    • 4877

                    #24
                    Re: The Bills Pattern...and solving their Core Issue

                    Core issue?

                    We don't have the money the big boys do.
                    We have to catch lighning in a bottle in consecutive
                    drafts and find gems in 2nd tier Fa's and maybe plug
                    in one or two big name FA in last year. Hope they play
                    well.Then we have to hope the scheme and stars are
                    alined and the ball bounces our way.

                    Bottom line for us.
                    Hated by the stupid..
                    Loved by their moms.

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                    • Jan Reimers
                      Thank You, Terry and Kim, for Saving the Bills. Now, Work on the Sabres.
                      • May 2003
                      • 17353

                      #25
                      Re: The Bills Pattern...and solving their Core Issue

                      Originally posted by BillsWin
                      After Gailey? No where. But with Gailey they experienced some success.
                      And that was justa's point. That Gailey got a lot of milage out of QBs who were not very good, and never did much without him.
                      Last edited by Jan Reimers; 07-16-2010, 10:18 AM.
                      Should have known, way back in 1960 when we drafted Richie Lucas Number 1, that this would be a long, hard ride. But who could have known it would be THIS bad?

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                      • trapezeus
                        Legendary Zoner
                        • Oct 2004
                        • 19525

                        #26
                        Re: The Bills Pattern...and solving their Core Issue

                        he ended up in the playoffs. one thing i hate about the last 4 years is that wins were almost meaningless. there were only maybe 2 wins a season in sept through oct where it felt like, "ohhh, we're in the thick of things." then we'd lose and lose badly for 4 weeks, and then 3 wins would be so irritating to win, and then a win in garbage time.

                        It made the season so worthless. if gailey can make the wins enjoyable, i'm going to give gailey a ton of credit. i don't really remember feeling joy from bills win on a regular basis since that bizarre run in 2004.

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                        • justasportsfan
                          Registered User
                          • Jul 2002
                          • 71579

                          #27
                          Re: The Bills Pattern...and solving their Core Issue

                          Originally posted by BillsWin
                          After Gailey? No where. But with Gailey they experienced some success.
                          We have a winner. Add Thigpen to that list. Gailey got something out of him.
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                          • Mike
                            Registered User
                            • Jan 2009
                            • 3805

                            #28
                            Re: The Bills Pattern...and solving their Core Issue

                            I agree. But the thread starter basically says that because we didn't get Parcells, Shanahan or Cowher, that we won't be any good. He is far more than apprehensive. He trashes the Nix and Gailey hires before they even have a chance to prove themselves.
                            I don't like the argument of giving everyone a chance and having them prove themselves because it is this type of thinking that got us here in the first place. We tried to give DJ a second chance, and allow him to prove himself. His situation Chicago was difficult and he still won Coach of the Year with a no-name QB and no stars! Obviouly we should of given him a chance. Now it's Gailies turn.

                            The logIc of giving everyone a chance and not knowing what you have until they prove themselves is falty. Imagine if they hired your Grandma as a coach, would you still make the same argument, and if not why not? Becuase some hires are just obviously bad, or not great (gaily).

                            As far as proving oneself. DJ, Gaily, and all other coaches are proving themselves on a constant basis. They have Bern coaches before and we know what we will get and what we won't get.

                            I think Gaily is at best a middle of the road coach, he is not great, he is hopefully not dreadful. In order for him to produce a winner, he will need really good pieces, and even with such pieces we won't be great. There are only a few great coaches per generation who go on to win SBs and I don't think Gaily is one if those types of guys. BTW that should be our goal, hopefully
                            Please Make Sense

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                            • Mike
                              Registered User
                              • Jan 2009
                              • 3805

                              #29
                              Re: The Bills Pattern...and solving their Core Issue

                              Core issue?

                              We don't have the money the big boys do.
                              We have to catch lighning in a bottle in consecutive
                              drafts and find gems in 2nd tier Fa's and maybe plug
                              in one or two big name FA in last year. Hope they play
                              well.Then we have to hope the scheme and stars are
                              alined and the ball bounces our way.

                              Bottom line for us.
                              there is something called a salery cap, so the big can not outspend us if we choose to spend on players. There is a thread on her that shows how much we are spending vs other teams. You will see that the Bills are actually spending more than both the Cowboys and the Patriots!!! Yes, in thus case we are outspending the big boys, difference is their $$$$ go towards superstars while ours go towads scrubs with 'potential'!!!
                              Please Make Sense

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                              • justasportsfan
                                Registered User
                                • Jul 2002
                                • 71579

                                #30
                                Re: The Bills Pattern...and solving their Core Issue

                                There are no guarantees in this league whether you have a proven coach or a new coach.

                                If teams didn't give coaches asecond chance then the PAts wouldn't have a dynasty. The giants wouldnt have won a sb with their current coaches.

                                The broncos arguably have a better team than when Shanahan left and this is with a rookie coach in McDaniels. Time will tell where the broncos are headed and if Shanahan can build a SB team in Washington.

                                Did we screw up with Dick? Certainly. But teams like the fins did screw up with guys Cameron and replaced him with a first time coach like Sparano who so far has done a decent job. Same goes for 1st time jets coach, Ryan.

                                THe saints hired a first time coach and ended up with a SB.

                                If we hired either Peyton ,Sparano or Ryan, people would be complaining too . So no matter who we hire, we're screwed.
                                Last edited by justasportsfan; 07-16-2010, 01:20 PM.
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