Penalties/ Discipline

[Figster]

A very interesting stat I thought folks would like to know about which in my opinion is often the signs of a very well coached football team.

The Buffalo Bills have went from 6th worse in the NFL in penalty's per game last season, averaging 6.7 penalties, to 3rd best averaging 4.9 penalties per game. Only Miami (4.0) and Atlanta (4.3) have a better ranking.


Another interesting observation is that most teams ranking high in this category are playoff caliber/ some of the best teams in the NFL.

http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/penalties-per-game

[Bufftp]

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It's even more impressive for coaching staff considering that we are often out manned physically and talent wise.

[Northern Stampede]

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That statistic speaks VOLUMES about this coaching staff.. They are doing the right things, there really just is not alot of physical and mental ability and talent on this football team. Hopefully they can parlay the great job coaching ( IMO ) they have done with what they have, into a great draft and continue to build for the future the right way... But to be rated that high in that stat... The coaches are doing they're job.

[Ickybaluky]

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The only problem with that theory is the Bills prior to 2009 were among the least penalized teams going and it didn't translate on the field.

In 2008, the Bills had the 2nd fewest penalties in the NFL.

In 2007, the Bills had the 7th fewest penalties in the NFL.

In 2006, the Bills had the 8th fewest penalties in the NFL.

Does that mean the Bills were "well coached" those years? The way people here talk of Jauron, most would say no.

There is more that goes into it than penalties. Jacksonville had the fewest penalties in the NFL a year ago. Green Bay had the most. which was the better team?

[The King]

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There is more that goes into it than penalties. Jacksonville had the fewest penalties in the NFL a year ago. Green Bay had the most. which was the better team?

Agreed but for a team in transition not shooting yourself in the foot is certainly a plus.

[Northern Stampede]

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I'll give you that... You make a good point... Just saying ( IMO, and from a coaching perspective, as I too coach..) It looks to me like the Bills are SLOWLY starting to become a different team, as far as technical play goes. They are starting to do some of the right things, not all but some, and cutting down on penalties is a big one. Just looks to me from my armchair that the team is playing football now, and not pretending to. We just lack alot of physical and mental ability and talent, like I said above.. But we'll get there... And then NE better watch out... lol..

[Figster]

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The only problem with that theory is the Bills prior to 2009 were among the least penalized teams going and it didn't translate on the field.

In 2008, the Bills had the 2nd fewest penalties in the NFL.

In 2007, the Bills had the 7th fewest penalties in the NFL.

In 2006, the Bills had the 8th fewest penalties in the NFL.

Does that mean the Bills were "well coached" those years? The way people here talk of Jauron, most would say no.

There is more that goes into it than penalties. Jacksonville had the fewest penalties in the NFL a year ago. Green Bay had the most. which was the better team?

Fewer penalties/disciplined is not going to make up for the lack of talent/experience on the win loss column, but it does however signify good coaching in my opinion.

Drafting and FA signing has been one of Buffalo's biggest problems in the past in my opinion. (poor management)

[ddaryl]

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but I thought it was already decided that Gailey sucks because he didn't turn this team into a winner in less then a 1/2 a season ?

confused, because in politics and sports instant gratification is the only form of acceptable measurement


however my recollection of 2006 - 2008 was a team taking lots of stupid penalties. Stupid penalties have definitley been reduced this year from what i can tell. Not eliminated but reduced

[justasportsfan]

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the problem with the few penalties we've had is that they came in critical situations that cost us bigtime.

[Figster]

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the problem with the few penalties we've had is that they came in critical situations that caused us bigtime.

The Bills are tied for 1st place in not giving up opponent penalty first downs per game.(0.4)

http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/opponent-penalty-first-downs-per-game

[better days]

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The only problem with that theory is the Bills prior to 2009 were among the least penalized teams going and it didn't translate on the field.

In 2008, the Bills had the 2nd fewest penalties in the NFL.

In 2007, the Bills had the 7th fewest penalties in the NFL.

In 2006, the Bills had the 8th fewest penalties in the NFL.

Does that mean the Bills were "well coached" those years? The way people here talk of Jauron, most would say no.

There is more that goes into it than penalties. Jacksonville had the fewest penalties in the NFL a year ago. Green Bay had the most. which was the better team?

Good point. I think this goes to show that discipline is only one aspect of coaching, but most well coached teams are also well disciplined teams as well.

[trapezeus]

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the problem with the few penalties we've had is that they came in critical situations that caused us bigtime.

this was the same problem with the other jauron teams. his teams would take early in the game 3rd down penalties on decent drives. He would constantly have teams getting in 3rd and long or giving up first downs on 3rd downs.

maybe they weren't a lot of penalties, but they were killer.

it does feel like the penalties are down, especially in the last two games.

but the bills still don't take the bull by the horns. in the ravens game, they could have salted that game away with a 14-0 lead, but kicked a field goal in the redzone. that's a hallmark for the last 10 years.

[Figster]

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Good point. I think this goes to show that discipline is only one aspect of coaching, but most well coached teams are also well disciplined teams as well.

It is a very good point and after further review I find from a disciplined/penalty standpoint the Buffalo Bills for the most part have done well over the last few years with the exception of the 2009 season.

2009's poor statics on the penalty side of the equation can probably be contributed for the most part to a very inexperienced O-line.

[The last buffalo fan]

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this was the same problem with the other jauron teams. his teams would take early in the game 3rd down penalties on decent drives. He would constantly have teams getting in 3rd and long or giving up first downs on 3rd downs.

maybe they weren't a lot of penalties, but they were killer.

it does feel like the penalties are down, especially in the last two games.

but the bills still don't take the bull by the horns. in the ravens game, they could have salted that game away with a 14-0 lead, but kicked a field goal in the redzone. that's a hallmark for the last 10 years.

I wasn't a Jauron's decisions fan in the redzone, but he always went for the FG no matter what team we were facing. Against the Ravens, I'll take the points in every single oportunity because you may not have many of this.

[imbondz]

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How can an 0-7 team be a 'very well coached team'. I know it's not all coaching, but I could care less about stats until we start to win a game or two