Should College Players be Paid

[TheGhostofJimKelly]

The tuition for The Ohio State University is $22,865. I am assuming that, plus whatever else they get from the school is enough to warrant them not getting paid for them playing a sport in college. I wouldn't be upset if they did get some kind of allowance for playing, but assuming again that the tuition for the rest of the students in the school will go up because the money from the football program just lowered. It also is a showcase for them to go pro in football. Of course, a majority of them won't make it in the NFL and will have to fall back on the "free" degree they (probably/hopefully) earned while in school.

[Ebenezer]

Of course, a majority of them won't make it in the NFL and will have to fall back on the "free" degree they (probably/hopefully) earned while in school.

Factor in stories that tell us that less than 40% of Texas national championship players graduated and you see why some are frustrated with the "free" degree farce.

[TheGhostofJimKelly]

Factor in stories that tell us that less than 40% of Texas national championship players graduated and you see why some are frustrated with the "free" degree farce.

How about "free" four years of fun? But, there are still 40% that do. How many of that 60% left early to play in the NFL also?

[TheGhostofJimKelly]

I don't think NCAA Div. would want the NCAA to pay them, why would they want to take a pay cut?

[DraftBoy]

That's BS. Out and out BS. I have a former student who just ran her first HM this weekend. She is a 4.0 senior in nursing. Her program requires her to work a 40 hour internship and take one three credit class. Her internship requires her to work in a hospital, take classes at school and get tested on all of the material. She puts in a massive amount of hours. Training for her HM took hours and hours of training. She still belongs to a couple of campus clubs and, I think, has a boyfriend. I know several students in this situation. Many students have tough loads to carry. If the grind of being a college athlete is too hard for some of these kids then maybe we should start to examine how they spend their day. Start with their classes and work outward from there. Kill all practices and workouts from Feb 1 to July 1 if needed. If we are going to treat them like regular students then they should fit the definition.

Are we going to attempt to sit here and go tit for tat one by one? Are there exceptions on both sides? Of course, but please don't attempt to tell me a regular student whose only collegiate requirements are studying and attending class are more strenous than year long commitments to practice, weights rooms, and film study, along with those same studying requirements.

They are never and will never be regular students, to act like they are and then get offended when this pops up annually is the definition of insane.

[DraftBoy]

Pryor was getting a different new car every other couple of months...that's one guy on one team. Think he was the only one? The system is rampant with cheating.

Thank you for going with the extreme argument, do you want me to go with the pot head who takes professors who he knows dont have attendance policies shows up for every test, passes and gets his degree?

Can we at least attempt to argue in the middle?

[DraftBoy]

I have been an undergrad at a college, a post-doc at a second and now a professor at a third - I've seem athletes back to 1984 and they were their stuff all year long.



We disagree. Sports are a perk. They should be real college students. Go to class, study your ass off and show up for your "club" like every other student. too much time, effort and money is spent on college sports. Many of these guys (and some gals) are their only to continue playing their game - I see it all the time at a Div. III School (esp. among the male athletes). Does that sound like we need to destroy the system to save it? Yes.

Seeing is not being. Let's be sure we arent going off what we see and hear and rather actual accounts. I talk to players daily, is it not this glamorous lifestyle the media portrays.

Sports are a job not a perk. We disagree at the premise. This isnt like the club comparison where you can come and go as you please. These kids sign legally binding contracts.

[DraftBoy]

The tuition for The Ohio State University is $22,865. I am assuming that, plus whatever else they get from the school is enough to warrant them not getting paid for them playing a sport in college. I wouldn't be upset if they did get some kind of allowance for playing, but assuming again that the tuition for the rest of the students in the school will go up because the money from the football program just lowered. It also is a showcase for them to go pro in football. Of course, a majority of them won't make it in the NFL and will have to fall back on the "free" degree they (probably/hopefully) earned while in school.

How much would you pay somebody for their actual physical degree from Ohio State?

[DraftBoy]

Factor in stories that tell us that less than 40% of Texas national championship players graduated and you see why some are frustrated with the "free" degree farce.

Citation please, Texas has one of the highest APR scores in the country.

[TacklingDummy]

absolutely not. their tuition is paid their boarding is paid...

Free education (basically someone else paying for it) is more than enough.

[TheGhostofJimKelly]

How much would you pay somebody for their actual physical degree from Ohio State?

I must need to return to college, what they heck are you trying to ask?

[DraftBoy]

I must need to return to college, what they heck are you trying to ask?

If somebody came to you as an Ohio State grad and offered to sell you their diploma...how much would you pay for it?

[TheGhostofJimKelly]

If somebody came to you as an Ohio State grad and offered to sell you their diploma...how much would you pay for it?

I wouldn't offer anything for it, I still don't understand where you are getting at.

[EricStratton]

Could you get your current job 9as in a foot in the door to show them how great you are) without a degree DB?

if the answer is no then do the math on the value of a degree.

[DraftBoy]

Could you get your current job 9as in a foot in the door to show them how great you are) without a degree DB?

if the answer is no then do the math on the value of a degree.

I didnt ask for the value of the degree, I said how much is it worth in terms of real dollars.

[DraftBoy]

I wouldn't offer anything for it, I still don't understand where you are getting at.

That a college degree is worth a grand total of $0.

[EricStratton]

That a college degree is worth a grand total of $0.

Then your point is completely false.

[Ebenezer]

Citation please, Texas has one of the highest APR scores in the country.

2010 graduation rate for Big 12 teams:
FOOTBALL

University of Missouri 71%
Kansas State University 69%
Texas Tech University 69%
University of Nebraska, Lincoln 68%
Baylor University 64%
Iowa State University 64%
University of Colorado, Boulder 59%
Oklahoma State University 59%
Texas A&M University, College Station 57%
University of Kansas 56%
University of Texas at Austin 49%
University of Oklahoma 44%

BASKETBALL

Oklahoma State University 92%
University of Nebraska, Lincoln 82%
University of Kansas 80%
Texas A&M University, College Station 64%
University of Oklahoma 55%
University of Missouri, Columbia 44%
2003 Texas Tech University 44%
University of Colorado, Boulder 43%
University of Texas at Austin 42%
Kansas State University 40%
Baylor University 38%
Iowa State University 35%

http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/spo...ted-for-big-12

I have to run to a meeting I'll find more later.

[YardRat]

I don't really think there is a decent solution for 'paying' student athletes without creating a wider disparity between bigger, richer schools and poorer, smaller ones. Not to mention opening up the system to a ****-ton more graft, or compensating for that with much more money spent on oversight.

Let them be eligible for standard Stafford Loans from their FAFSA, and draw the line there. If they want pocket change without holding down a real job and are willing to trade that opportunity for a free education and a spot on a team it's their choice to make the commitment to pay it back later.

[TheGhostofJimKelly]

That a college degree is worth a grand total of $0.

Sweet, we need to explain to all of these kids waisting their money by going to college to stop. They don't need a degree. I am going to advise my kid to drop out right now and that she doesn't need a degree. Thank you for saving us thousands of dollars.