The Morning After: Bills v. Bengals

[DraftBoy]

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We know this feeling all too well Bills Nation. Like many of you across the country we woke up this morning with an uneasy nauseas feeling in our stomachs as we set out to write this piece. What an ugly game this was and as we said on Twitter, we played down to our opponent yesterday afternoon. I know the Bengals won the game and we give them all the credit but they are not the better team at this point.

[justasportsfan]

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Kyle Williams. Where has he gone? He did fine last year taking on double teams yet he cant get through single blocks this year?

At this point he's looking like aother guy who decided to take it easy after getting a pay check.

[Johnny Bugmenot]

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Kyle Williams. Where has he gone? He did fine last year taking on double teams yet he cant get through single blocks this year?

At this point he's looking like aother guy who decided to take it easy after getting a pay check.

He was overrated from the start. Remember, last year the Bills finished near last in stopping the run and Williams was an integral part of that. Maybe now that he's next to a real D-lineman like Dareus, that will become more and more evident. Remember, the same scouting staff that drafted John ****ing McCargo four rounds ahead of Williams is the same one that discovered Williams. Let's not get too ahead of ourselves heaping praise on the guy.

[justasportsfan]

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He was overrated from the start. Remember, last year the Bills finished near last in stopping the run and Williams was an integral part of that. Maybe now that he's next to a real D-lineman like Dareus, that will become more and more evident. Remember, the same scouting staff that drafted John ****ing McCargo four rounds ahead of Williams is the same one that discovered Williams. Let's not get too ahead of ourselves heaping praise on the guy.

He's definitely not a run stopper but he was a pass rusher and that disappeared

[psubills62]

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I almost wonder if Williams is being told to hold the POA by the coaches. Is he not allowed to penetrate anymore? Have teams caught onto him and are just able to stop him? It's strange all around.

Last I checked, DB, DRC wasn't doing so hot either - better than McKelvin, but altogether that isn't saying much. We definitely need help in our secondary.

[Jan Reimers]

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I almost wonder if Williams is being told to hold the POA by the coaches. Is he not allowed to penetrate anymore? Have teams caught onto him and are just able to stop him? It's strange all around.

Last I checked, DB, DRC wasn't doing so hot either - better than McKelvin, but altogether that isn't saying much. We definitely need help in our secondary.

We also need a pass rush, a receiver that can stretch the field, and an O-line that can hold its own against a strong D-line like Cincinnati's.

[k-oneputt]

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McKelvin, Troup, Carrington... wake me up when any of these guys start to perform.

And lets start working Sheppard in at lb.

[psubills62]

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Regardless of my secondary comment, I thought Florence played pretty well. Nobody seems to be mentioning him, and while I didn't pay particular attention, I don't remember Green getting many catches while being covered by him. Also didn't hear his name much, which is good for a CB.

[DraftBoy]

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McKelvin, Troup, Carrington... wake me up when any of these guys start to perform.

And lets start working Sheppard in at lb.

I will say about Sheppard that I think they are holding him back because he missed a good chunk of camp due to injury. Maybe he's still catching up? Plus with the addition of Morrison inside, there isn't a ton of snaps for him to even take.

[DraftBoy]

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I almost wonder if Williams is being told to hold the POA by the coaches. Is he not allowed to penetrate anymore? Have teams caught onto him and are just able to stop him? It's strange all around.

Last I checked, DB, DRC wasn't doing so hot either - better than McKelvin, but altogether that isn't saying much. We definitely need help in our secondary.

144 tackles, 3 FF, and 13 INT's for DRC over his career
126 tackles, 2 FF, and 5 INT's for McKelvin's career

DRC is also playing Nickle CB for Philly this year because Asomaugh and Samuel are ahead of him so his numbers have dipped some.

There is no debate though DRC has by far been the better pro.

[DraftBoy]

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I almost wonder if Williams is being told to hold the POA by the coaches. Is he not allowed to penetrate anymore? Have teams caught onto him and are just able to stop him? It's strange all around.

Last I checked, DB, DRC wasn't doing so hot either - better than McKelvin, but altogether that isn't saying much. We definitely need help in our secondary.

On KW I dont think he's doing a good job of holding the POA. He's giving up 1-3 yards off the snap at times. He is just not playing well at all.

[k-oneputt]

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I will say about Sheppard that I think they are holding him back because he missed a good chunk of camp due to injury. Maybe he's still catching up? Plus with the addition of Morrison inside, there isn't a ton of snaps for him to even take.

Why not. Morrison and Davis are the temporary fixes, Sheppard is the future.
Can't play any worse imo. Let's find out.
Missed time at this point shouldn't be that much of an issue, he plays ilb, not qb. Plus Barnett is out there to help him.

[psubills62]

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144 tackles, 3 FF, and 13 INT's for DRC over his career
126 tackles, 2 FF, and 5 INT's for McKelvin's career

DRC is also playing Nickle CB for Philly this year because Asomaugh and Samuel are ahead of him so his numbers have dipped some.

There is no debate though DRC has by far been the better pro.

I said he was better. And yeah, he's not in a good position to start in Philly. However, there's reasons why the Cardinals dumped him and he's had his share of burns. Also, as a note, I don't think McKelvin has played as much as DRC has (AFAIK, DRC has played his entire career whereas McKelvin spent a year on IR).

[psubills62]

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On KW I dont think he's doing a good job of holding the POA. He's giving up 1-3 yards off the snap at times. He is just not playing well at all.

Right, and I'm wondering if he's not penetrating because he's being told not to by the coaches. No clue why they'd do that, just speculating as to why he might not be making plays like last year.

[DraftBoy]

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I said he was better. And yeah, he's not in a good position to start in Philly. However, there's reasons why the Cardinals dumped him and he's had his share of burns. Also, as a note, I don't think McKelvin has played as much as DRC has (AFAIK, DRC has played his entire career whereas McKelvin spent a year on IR).

You are correct, DRC also earned his starting spot before McKelvin did and has earned a Pro Bowl spot as well.

Im not saing DRC is one of the best CB's, but comparing him to McKelvin its obvious who is better and its not close.