top 20 goal scorers the last 4 years

[chernobylwraiths]

2010 - 2011

1 Corey Perry ANA 2010-2011 R 82 50
2 Steven StamkosTBL 2010-2011 C 82 45
3 Jarome Iginla CGY 2010-2011 R 82 43
4 Daniel Sedin VAN 2010-2011 L 82 41
5 Ryan Kesler VAN 2010-2011 C 82 41
6 Patrick MarleauSJS 2010-2011 L 82 37
7 Jeff Carter PHI 2010-2011 C 80 36
8 Bobby Ryan ANA 2010-2011 R 82 34
9 Patrick Sharp CHI 2010-2011 L 74 34
10 Danny Briere PHI 2010-2011 R 77 34
11 Michael GrabnerNYI 2010-2011 R 76 34
12 Eric Staal CAR 2010-2011 C 81 33
13 Brenden MorrowDAL2010-2011 L 82 33
14 Alex Ovechkin WSH 2010-2011 L 79 32
15 Jonathan ToewsCHI 2010-2011 C 80 32
16 Thomas Vanek BUF 2010-2011 L 80 32
17 Rick Nash CBJ 2010-2011 R 75 32
18 Sidney Crosby PIT 2010-2011 C 41 32
19 Phil Kessel TOR 2010-2011 R 82 32
20 Logan Couture SJS 2010-2011 C 79 32

2009-2010

1 Sidney Crosby PIT 2009-2010 C 81 51
2 Steven StamkosTBL 2009-2010 C 82 51
3 Alex Ovechkin WSH 2009-2010 L 72 50
4 Patrick MarleauSJS 2009-2010 L 82 44
5 Marian Gaborik NYR 2009-2010 R 76 42
6 Ilya KovalchukATL, NJD2009-2010 L 76 41
7 Alexander SeminWSH2009-2010 L 73 40
8 Dany Heatley SJS 2009-2010 L 82 39
9 Zach Parise NJD 2009-2010 L 81 38
10 Alexandre BurrowsVAN2009-2010 L 82 35
11 Bobby Ryan ANA 2009-2010 R 81 35
12 Anze Kopitar LAK 2009-2010 C 82 34
13 Nicklas BackstromWSH2009-2010 C 82 33
14 Rick Nash CBJ 2009-2010 R 76 33
15 Jeff Carter PHI 2009-2010 C 74 33
16 Jarome Iginla CGY 2009-2010 R 82 32
17 Dustin Penner EDM 2009-2010 L 82 32
18 Mike Richards PHI 2009-2010 C 82 31
19 Patrick Kane CHI 2009-2010 C 82 30
20 Jussi Jokinen CAR 2009-2010 L 81 30

Vanek had 28

2008-2009

1 Alex Ovechkin WSH 2008-2009 L 79 56
2 Jeff Carter PHI 2008-2009 C 82 46
3 Zach Parise NJD 2008-2009 L 82 45
4 Ilya Kovalchuk ATL 2008-2009 L 79 43
5 Rick Nash CBJ 2008-2009 R 78 40
6 Eric Staal CAR 2008-2009 C 82 40
7 Marian Hossa DET 2008-2009 R 74 40
8 Thomas Vanek BUF 2008-2009 L 73 40
9 Michael CammalleriCGY2008-2009 L 81 39
10 Dany Heatley OTT 2008-2009 L 82 39
11 Patrick MarleauSJS 2008-2009 L 76 38
12 Loui Eriksson DAL 2008-2009 L 82 36
13 Phil Kessel BOS 2008-2009 R 70 36
14 Evgeni Malkin PIT 2008-2009 C 82 35
15 Jarome Iginla CGY 2008-2009 R 82 35
16 Alexander SeminWSH2008-2009 L 62 34
17 Simon Gagne PHI 2008-2009 L 79 34
18 Jonathan ToewsCHI 2008-2009 C 82 34
19 Johan Franzen DET 2008-2009 R 71 34
20 Sidney Crosby PIT 2008-2009 C 77 33

2007-2008

1 Alex Ovechkin WSH 2007-2008 L 82 65
2 Ilya Kovalchuk ATL 2007-2008 L 79 52
3 Jarome Iginla CGY 2007-2008 R 82 50
4 Evgeni Malkin PIT 2007-2008 C 82 47
5 Henrik ZetterbergDET2007-2008 L 75 43
6 Brad Boyes STL 2007-2008 R 82 43
7 Marian Gaborik MIN 2007-2008 R 77 42
8 Dany Heatley OTT 2007-2008 L 71 41
9 Vincent LecavalierTBL2007-2008 C 81 40
10 Daniel AlfredssonOTT2007-2008 R 70 40
11 Eric Staal CAR 2007-2008 C 82 38
12 Rick Nash CBJ 2007-2008 R 80 38
13 Thomas Vanek BUF 2007-2008 L 82 36
14 Patrick Sharp CHI 2007-2008 L 80 36
15 Alex Kovalev MTL 2007-2008 R 82 35
16 Jason Spezza OTT 2007-2008 C 76 34
17 Olli Jokinen FLA 2007-2008 C 82 34
18 Vinny ProspalTBL, PHI2007-2008 L 80 33
19 Dustin Brown LAK 2007-2008 R 78 33
20 Derek Roy BUF 2007-2008 C 78 32

[chernobylwraiths]

tied for 45 in career goals for active players (47)

among those players, only two started the same year he did (Crosby and Ovechkin) and nobody started after

Looks pretty good

[OpIv37]

Oh could you list who the Oilers picked with those 4 1st round picks? MUCH rather have those guys than Vanek!

Can you?

Seriously, I'd like to know who they are and how good they are. I don't pay much attention to the WC as the Sabres only play each team 1x a year.

[hydro]

The fan base would have *****ED up a storm if we let Vanek go. Obviously hindsight is 20/20 but really with the way drafts go these days how is ANY player worth more than a ton of first rounders?

[OpIv37]

The fan base would have *****ED up a storm if we let Vanek go.

See, this is revisionist history. Technically, it's true that the fan base would have revolted, HOWEVER, if the FO had managed to retain Briere and/or Drury, losing Vanek wouldn't have been a big deal. It certainly wouldn't have been as bad as losing Briere AND Drury after two consecutive trips to the conf finals.

[Crisis]

Edmonton wouldn't have finished that bad with Vanek and the draft picks would've been completely different players.

[hydro]

Edmonton wouldn't have finished that bad with Vanek and the draft picks would've been completely different players.

Gotta call B.S. on this one. I don't believe that for a second.

[chernobylwraiths]

See, this is revisionist history. Technically, it's true that the fan base would have revolted, HOWEVER, if the FO had managed to retain Briere and/or Drury, losing Vanek wouldn't have been a big deal. It certainly wouldn't have been as bad as losing Briere AND Drury after two consecutive trips to the conf finals.

It certainly has merit though. Nobody could know, then or now, that Edmonton would have 4 consecutive picks at the top of the draft. Nobody could expect that.

[OpIv37]

It certainly has merit though. Nobody could know, then or now, that Edmonton would have 4 consecutive picks at the top of the draft. Nobody could expect that.

And no one knew that Drury would play like **** while Briere would still be good and Vanek would be decent at the time either.

If you went back in time to 4 years ago and told Sabres fans "Vanek, Briere, Drury- we only have enough money to keep two of the 3," Vanek would be the odd man out every time. If we had kept either Briere or Drury, people would have gotten over the loss of Vanek, especially since we got NOTHING for losing Briere or Drury and we would have at least gotten 4 picks for Vanek.

In hindsight, the smart move would have been to pay Briere and let Drury and Vanek walk for the 4 picks. Obviously, the FO didn't have the benefit of hindsight in the moment, but they are also hockey professionals and get paid big money to be able to make the right calls in situations like this.

[chernobylwraiths]

And no one knew that Drury would play like **** while Briere would still be good and Vanek would be decent at the time either.

If you went back in time to 4 years ago and told Sabres fans "Vanek, Briere, Drury- we only have enough money to keep two of the 3," Vanek would be the odd man out every time. If we had kept either Briere or Drury, people would have gotten over the loss of Vanek, especially since we got NOTHING for losing Briere or Drury and we would have at least gotten 4 picks for Vanek.

In hindsight, the smart move would have been to pay Briere and let Drury and Vanek walk for the 4 picks. Obviously, the FO didn't have the benefit of hindsight in the moment, but they are also hockey professionals and get paid big money to be able to make the right calls in situations like this.

Well yeah, but even in hindsight, we had already lost Drury and Briere about a week before Vanek got his offer sheet. So, there wasn't really a choice.

[OpIv37]

Well yeah, but even in hindsight, we had already lost Drury and Briere about a week before Vanek got his offer sheet. So, there wasn't really a choice.

Well, the choice should have been to lock up either Drury or Briere before that situation became a problem. To sit there and say "the fans would have rioted if we let Vanek walk" is incomplete: the reason the fans would have rioted isn't just Vanek- it's because we already lost our two best players a week before.

At the end of the day, the FO botched the situation, and before Thurm says "WHO CARES? THEY ARE GONE GET OVER IT!" the reality is that this team is still feeling the effects of that decision.

[chernobylwraiths]

Well, the choice should have been to lock up either Drury or Briere before that situation became a problem. To sit there and say "the fans would have rioted if we let Vanek walk" is incomplete: the reason the fans would have rioted isn't just Vanek- it's because we already lost our two best players a week before.

At the end of the day, the FO botched the situation, and before Thurm says "WHO CARES? THEY ARE GONE GET OVER IT!" the reality is that this team is still feeling the effects of that decision.

I don't know if they're "still feeling the effects", but I agree the FO botched that. They said publicly that they wanted Drury and waited for him when free agency started. Problem was they had already pissed him off and screwed him, so when he had the opportunity to screw them back, he did.

Losing Vanek wasn't an option after that IMO.

[Crisis]

I call BS too. Remember after losing out on Vanek Edmonton went and got Dustin Penner, who they're not signing if they get Vanek. Not much would have changed..........

you mean the guy who scored 47 points his first season with EDM? penner is a bum.

hemsky would've been better than under a PPG with vanek on his line and there's no way edmonton would have finished in the same place.

[Crisis]

you're right 17 point difference is completely irrelevant!

A scorer like Vanek with Hemsky on his line would've put up more than 64 points, too.

[Crisis]

you're an idiot if you think adding a 40 goal scorer would have no impact on where a team finishes.

for all either of us know edmonton could've been a fringe playoff team with vanek, which would have changed those draft picks completely.

you're arguing something that can't be proven either way. you just can't sit here and say the players those picks turned into would've been sabres, because its just flat-out not true.

[OpIv37]

you're an idiot if you think adding a 40 goal scorer would have no impact on where a team finishes.

for all either of us know edmonton could've been a fringe playoff team with vanek, which would have changed those draft picks completely.

you're arguing something that can't be proven either way. you just can't sit here and say the players those picks turned into would've been sabres, because its just flat-out not true.

a 40 goal scorer is someone who CONSISTENTLY scores 40 goals. That's not Vanek.

In 6 complete seasons, he's only hit 40 twice. In 2 seasons he had less than 30. And he's only hit 40 once after 06-07, which is when he would have went to the Oilers. So, to say they would have "added a 40 goal scorer" is disingenuous.

[chernobylwraiths]

over the last 4 years only:
Iginla
Ovechkin
Gaborik
Kovalchuk
have gotten over 40 a year twice and only Ovechkin and Kovelchuk 3 times

but they are both in danger of not being consistent enough considering neither did it last year

[chernobylwraiths]

... and it is would have gone, not went

[OpIv37]

over the last 4 years only:
Iginla
Ovechkin
Gaborik
Kovalchuk
have gotten over 40 a year twice and only Ovechkin and Kovelchuk 3 times

but they are both in danger of not being consistent enough considering neither did it last year

2 in 4 is a much better percentage than 2 in six.

And if that's the case, then they are the only 40 goal scorers in the NHL now. Stop calling Vanek a 40 goal scorer to put them in the same league as those guys because he's not.

Oh, and keep in mind that, in the case of guys like Ovechkin, the scoring of the others around them goes up as their scoring goes down as a result of the attention they draw. Vanek has no such effect.

[Crisis]

a 40 goal scorer is someone who CONSISTENTLY scores 40 goals. That's not Vanek.

In 6 complete seasons, he's only hit 40 twice. In 2 seasons he had less than 30. And he's only hit 40 once after 06-07, which is when he would have went to the Oilers. So, to say they would have "added a 40 goal scorer" is disingenuous.

excluding his rookie year he averages 38 goals per 82 games. close enough.