Nick Barnett Article

[DesertFox24]

http://www.buffalobills.com/news/article-1/Barnett-Wannstedt-an-easy-buy-in/f7ce94c3-20c2-48e1-9943-b76849c286df

I read this article and it pretty much confirms that the bills are going to a 43 full time, and I honestly do not have a problem with it.

As it has been pointed out countless times the bills ran a 43 predominantly the end of the season anyway, so when he says some little changes that is what I get.

I know we have building for a 34 and yes it sucks that some players will have to go, but none of us wanted the Jauron Tampa 2 anyway. I want the big physical 43 like Wanny used to run and what the Giants run.

DT I think we are fine both starting wise and depth
DE we have no REs we have 2 LEs - Kelsay and Carrington (needs to lose 20 pounds)

MLB we have 1- Sheppard (White/Batten/McKillop/Moats fit in the LB corps somehow for next year).
WLB we have 1 - Barnett
SLB we have none that I am confident with

I think Batten and Moats could potentially compete for the SLB spot, they have the size and speed both ran sub 4.7 at their combine pro day so I think they could do it but I am not enthralled at the idea. Maybe with a full offseason it could be good since they have experience playing in space the past two seasons and have experience rushing the passer. Glass half full approach but definitely need more LBS.

I like White a lot as a depth player and special teams guy so he stays, Batten also lead the team in special teams tackles so expect him back, as I said above.

Our secondary is fine just add another corner in the draft like we should always do or sign a vet for a decent deal.

In summary we need to draft two REs and two LBs and I think we could make this 43 work.

Batten and Moats are already under 250 so they really do not have to work on losing weight so they fit the prototype of a 43 SLB better than they do a 34 OLB.

[DesertFox24]

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My projection would be something like this

Base Package

RE - Rookie
DT (1 tech) - Dareus
DT (3 tech) - Williams
LE - Kelsay

WLB - Barnett
MLB - Sheppard
SLB - Moats

RCB - Williams
LCB - Florence
FS - Bryd
SS - Wilson

Nickle Package
RE - Merriman (he will probably be our pass rush specialist and not play run downs)
DT - Dareus (3 tech shade)
DT - Williams (3 tech shade)
LE - Kelsay

LB - Barnett
LB - Scott if he resigns/ or Searcy

RCB - Williams
LCB - Florence
SCB - Rodgers
FS- Bryd
SS - Wilson

[Ickybaluky]

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I know we have building for a 34 and yes it sucks that some players will have to go, but none of us wanted the Jauron Tampa 2 anyway. I want the big physical 43 like Wanny used to run and what the Giants run.

Wannstedt's system is not a "big physical 43".

Wannstedt learned his defensive system from Jimmy Johnson, who he coached under at Oklahoma State and followed to the Cowboys. Johnson summed up the defense as "speed, speed and more speed". That is what his defense is all about, speed.

Wannstedt's defenses in Okla. State, Dallas, Miami, Chicago and Pitt all had this in common:

- DL who fit a 1-Gap scheme that rotate in frequently.
- LB that were very fast, regardless of size
- DB's who were smart and excelled in quarters coverage, or Cover 2

That is basically what he believes in. His Dallas defense was probably the smallest in the NFL, but chased guys all over the field. He rarely blitzed in Dallas, because his CB were not good in bump-and-run man coverage. In Miami he had better CBs (Surtain and Madison), so he blitzed a little more, but he doesn't favor much blitzing.

Wannstedt does not do a lot of complex things on defense and does not blitz a lot. He prefers to keep in simple and tries to limit mental mistakes. He wants his players to execute and play smart. His philosophy is that his defense can execute better than the opposing offense.

If he implements his defense with the Bills, they will look for these kind of players:

- Fast, penetrating DL, who can disrupt a lot. Lots of DL so they can rotate.
- LB that can run
- CB's who are good in quarters coverage and S in Cover 2. The S usually play a little closer to the line than most, and are very good tacklers.

[DesertFox24]

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Wannstedt's system is not a "big physical 43".

Wannstedt learned his defensive system from Jimmy Johnson, who he coached under at Oklahoma State and followed to the Cowboys. Johnson summed up the defense as "speed, speed and more speed". That is what his defense is all about, speed.

Wannstedt's defenses in Okla. State, Dallas, Miami, Chicago and Pitt all had this in common:

- DL who fit a 1-Gap scheme that rotate in frequently.
- LB that were very fast, regardless of size
- DB's who were smart and excelled in quarters coverage, or Cover 2

That is basically what he believes in. His Dallas defense was probably the smallest in the NFL, but chased guys all over the field. He rarely blitzed in Dallas, because his CB were not good in bump-and-run man coverage. In Miami he had better CBs (Surtain and Madison), so he blitzed a little more, but he doesn't favor much blitzing.

Wannstedt does not do a lot of complex things on defense and does not blitz a lot. He prefers to keep in simple and tries to limit mental mistakes. He wants his players to execute and play smart. His philosophy is that his defense can execute better than the opposing offense.

If he implements his defense with the Bills, they will look for these kind of players:

- Fast, penetrating DL, who can disrupt a lot. Lots of DL so they can rotate.
- LB that can run
- CB's who are good in quarters coverage and S in Cover 2. The S usually play a little closer to the line than most, and are very good tacklers.

As long as whatever we run is not Jaurons tampa 2 I am fine.

I was tired of seeing us get ran over like we were not even there, or letting a team drive the field hold the ball for 11 mins and then force them to a field goal.

[zone]

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Wannstedt's system is not a "big physical 43".

Wannstedt learned his defensive system from Jimmy Johnson, who he coached under at Oklahoma State and followed to the Cowboys. Johnson summed up the defense as "speed, speed and more speed". That is what his defense is all about, speed.

Wannstedt's defenses in Okla. State, Dallas, Miami, Chicago and Pitt all had this in common:

- DL who fit a 1-Gap scheme that rotate in frequently.
- LB that were very fast, regardless of size
- DB's who were smart and excelled in quarters coverage, or Cover 2

That is basically what he believes in. His Dallas defense was probably the smallest in the NFL, but chased guys all over the field. He rarely blitzed in Dallas, because his CB were not good in bump-and-run man coverage. In Miami he had better CBs (Surtain and Madison), so he blitzed a little more, but he doesn't favor much blitzing.

Wannstedt does not do a lot of complex things on defense and does not blitz a lot. He prefers to keep in simple and tries to limit mental mistakes. He wants his players to execute and play smart. His philosophy is that his defense can execute better than the opposing offense.

If he implements his defense with the Bills, they will look for these kind of players:

- Fast, penetrating DL, who can disrupt a lot. Lots of DL so they can rotate.
- LB that can run
- CB's who are good in quarters coverage and S in Cover 2. The S usually play a little closer to the line than most, and are very good tacklers.

Not to mention that the Giants run our old defense considering it's our old DC.

[justasportsfan]

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His Dallas defense was probably the smallest in the NFL, but chased guys all over the field.

Wanny has his Zach Thomas in Scott McKillop

Maybe we should see what Schobel is doing as well as POz

[madness]

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Still, the objective is to limit blitzing to maybe 20%, stress third down and play smart. "Our mental mistakes were minimal," Wannstedt said. "That was always a focus. Our philosophy always was that we will execute our system better than your offense plays. People around the NFL always said that we did less than most teams but we'd always do it better."

[better days]

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Wannstedt's system is not a "big physical 43".

Wannstedt learned his defensive system from Jimmy Johnson, who he coached under at Oklahoma State and followed to the Cowboys. Johnson summed up the defense as "speed, speed and more speed". That is what his defense is all about, speed.

Wannstedt's defenses in Okla. State, Dallas, Miami, Chicago and Pitt all had this in common:

- DL who fit a 1-Gap scheme that rotate in frequently.
- LB that were very fast, regardless of size
- DB's who were smart and excelled in quarters coverage, or Cover 2

That is basically what he believes in. His Dallas defense was probably the smallest in the NFL, but chased guys all over the field. He rarely blitzed in Dallas, because his CB were not good in bump-and-run man coverage. In Miami he had better CBs (Surtain and Madison), so he blitzed a little more, but he doesn't favor much blitzing.

Wannstedt does not do a lot of complex things on defense and does not blitz a lot. He prefers to keep in simple and tries to limit mental mistakes. He wants his players to execute and play smart. His philosophy is that his defense can execute better than the opposing offense.

If he implements his defense with the Bills, they will look for these kind of players:

- Fast, penetrating DL, who can disrupt a lot. Lots of DL so they can rotate.
- LB that can run
- CB's who are good in quarters coverage and S in Cover 2. The S usually play a little closer to the line than most, and are very good tacklers.

Well, I think the Bills have many players that fit the defense you describe. Dareus is FAST for a big man & can penetrate as can Williams. All the Bills LBs can run especially Barnett. I still think the Bills need a DE/LB that can rush the passer first & formost, especially since Wanny does not like to blitz much.

[Night Train]

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I'm convinced that 25 years from now, Kelsay will somehow still be in the starting lineup,despite pushing 60.

He's a fungus that can't be removed from the mediocrity tree.

[Extremebillsfan247]

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For the most part it sounds like things on a basic level will be very much the same. All Wannstedt will probably do, and where he is most likely going to be effective is in when and how that defense is utilized. His experience is something George Edwards was missing, and why the Bills defense struggled like it did. But the concept of the 2011 defense did have potential which is why I don't think it will change much for 2012. It will most likely still be a hybrid of the 3/4 - 4/3 with more emphasis on the 4/3 as that is where Wannstedt's defensive experience lies. JMO

[The Jokeman]

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Not to mention that the Giants run our old defense considering it's our old DC.

You mean our old HC.

[X-Era]

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Guys, I haven't seen anything much yet to tell me Sheppard can be counted on as a starter. I think he's pretty lackluster overall. He's a prospect but not a solid starter. JMO.

[Extremebillsfan247]

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Guys, I haven't seen anything much yet to tell me Sheppard can be counted on as a starter. I think he's pretty lackluster overall. He's a prospect but not a solid starter. JMO.

At least not yet, he's was a rookie playing for a DC that had no clue how to run a defense. I don't know what you could possibly expect from a 3rd round pick, first year player in that scenario. JMO

[DesertFox24]

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Guys, I haven't seen anything much yet to tell me Sheppard can be counted on as a starter. I think he's pretty lackluster overall. He's a prospect but not a solid starter. JMO.

He will compete with White McKillop in training camp and the winner should get the starts.

The one good thing about Sheppard is he does have very good instincts, I think playing this year will help him and we will see what we have next year.

I agree he is no Pat Willis but I am not ready to say the guy can not play, he did a lot better in coverage towards the end of the year and that safety was a play that Poz or Fletcher could not have made.

I am still in wait and see mode, hopefully he works hard this offseason and gets better.

[DesertFox24]

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Guys, I haven't seen anything much yet to tell me Sheppard can be counted on as a starter. I think he's pretty lackluster overall. He's a prospect but not a solid starter. JMO.

He will compete with White McKillop in training camp and the winner should get the starts.

The one good thing about Sheppard is he does have very good instincts, I think playing this year will help him and we will see what we have next year.

I agree he is no Pat Willis but I am not ready to say the guy can not play, he did a lot better in coverage towards the end of the year and that safety was a play that Poz or Fletcher could not have made.

I am still in wait and see mode, hopefully he works hard this offseason and gets better.