yes this again. really
go back through history. the people on this board have been wrong every time they have criticized me for my work. this is why i keep bringing it up, because you are not learning
my work is a labor of love. so even though you are aggravating as hell in your inability to see and to admit when you have been consistently dead wrong, i just continue to work to reveal what is truth because it is what is needed
"Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seem they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one."
Oh yes the learning tool again...you know there is something to be said for attempting the same thing over and over again with an unchanging result and then blaming everybody else.Originally Posted by Meathead
COMING SOON...
What?? I think your reverse racism is showing
If you agree that he disobeyed a police order, got out of the car, carried a gun and approached the victim, then he initiated the whole thing. IF it was not Zimmerman that actually initiated the contact, then the victim was "A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force"
Frankly, the more I think about this the more guilty Zimmerman looks
What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof ~ Christopher Hitchens
lots of white people for a very long time were convinced blacks were inferior despite intense efforts to show them otherwise
i am your martin luthor king
initiated what whole thing? define 'thing'
approaching treyvon, with or without a gun drawn, is a problem. but it most likely is not what got him killed. what got him killed was the physical altercation
the neighborhood watchman isnt out there to kill people. well i suppose it possible hes a psychopath hiding his lust for blood that way, but most likely not. most likely hes trying to protect his neighborhood and doesnt intend to use violence, just to assist police
the most likely scenerio is as i described, treyvon initiating contact. all other events, no matter how unreasonable, did not result in the gun being fired. it was the physical contact. and if treyvon initiated that contact then he is partially responsible for the net result
now what factors made him think he needed to initiate contact? perhaps he felt it was his only choice because this guy would kill him otherwise. ok, if thats the case then thats really tragic because thats unlikely to have actually been zimmermans motive
that leaves us with an irrational response on the part of treyvon. and speaking from experience, which we should all have by now, its easily conceivable that he got angry at being profiled by what he thought was a white man and felt justified to act
that right there is precisely the dysfunction i am talking about. that is the dynamic that we need to address
agreed
if zimmerman approached treyvon, put his hands on him, especially if he was brandishing a gun, then certainly treyvon is well within his right to use physical force, including killing zimmerman if he has to
i just think thats a longshot. zimmerman would have been in serious trouble long before this if he had that kind of mindset. but if he did act in that manner then he deserves a harsh sentence
Last edited by Meathead; 03-20-2012 at 09:07 PM.
here is the evidence... there is screaming for roughly 30-60 seconds. " help, help" it sounded as if someone was being chased down the street... the screaming then stops after the gun shots...
before the screams, trayvons girlfriend was on the phone with him. trayvon said this guy is following me and im scared, the grilfriend then tells him to run home. she then hears zimmerman approach him and say "what are you doing around here", she then said she heard a push or punch, and screaming started....
fact- zimmerman was armed
fact- zimmerman told 911 he would follow the person
fact- zimmerman ignored dispatch and obviously confronted the person.
fact- during the 911 tapes, zimmerman said someone suspicious was at the minimart.... - this is blatant racism. reason being, why is a 140lbs, unarmed black 17yr old " suspicious".
there are only 2 possibilities here
zimmerman is a psychopath
zimmerman is a racist.
i go with both...
Last edited by NOT THE DUDE...; 03-20-2012 at 09:14 PM.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AK7gI5lMB7M -- ( supply side jesus, lol)
and if someone is following me for no reason and they confront me in a very aggressive manner, you bet i am justified in saying back off, or pushing that person away.
it is a disturbing argument to say just because someone pushes you, you can kill them...??? wtf??? especially in the context where zimmerman is the aggressor.
how in the blue hell can meathead say trayvon is partially responsible? zimmerman is a complete stranger...
if i was the fbi prosecutor, i would press very hard on why trayvon was suspicious... i think that will end the case right there...
Last edited by NOT THE DUDE...; 03-20-2012 at 09:15 PM.
you are speaking in simplistic terms and attempting to attribute those to what i laid out. i am not responsible for your mischaracterization of the vital and complex points i have been making
"the most likely scenerio is as i described, treyvon initiating contact. all other events, no matter how unreasonable, did not result in the gun being fired. it was the physical contact. and if treyvon initiated that contact then he is partially responsible for the net result"
so a complete psycho stranger is stalking you, to the point where you call your girlfriend and say im scared, this creepy guy is following me. zimmerman then is very confrontational and approaches trayvon... you dont think he would be justified in pushing him and saying back off? especially when this weird **** zimmerman says, " what are you doing around here?"
and even then, if zimmerman was punched in the face, this is still borderline murder 1... to say trayvon acting in self defense when someone is being weirdly hostile to you for literally no reason is at fault is mind boggling...
this is like me following a girl around in a car real slowly for 10 minutes and then getting out of my car, approaching her personal space and saying, " what are you doing around here"
do us all a favor, pull up to a random 711. pick any person on foot and start to follow them, to the point where they are obviously uncomfortable. then get out of the car, be aggressive, and say, what are you doing around here?
let us know what happens...
like i said, this is a psychopath, racist, or combination.
Last edited by NOT THE DUDE...; 03-20-2012 at 09:33 PM.
i agree with you
that however is unlikely to be what happened
There is another point to be made for the person on the corner claiming he's a false prophet.
the girlfriend even said, that when zimmerman said, " what are you doing around here", he sounded very aggressive and confrontational.
clearly this guy wanted blood...
meathead, ever been to a bar, and someone says, " yeah, that guy was looking for a fight"....
this is exactly what zimmerman did. only he ****ing shot the kid.
thats ****ing crazy psycho ****
based on everything we know the most likely scenario is that zimmerman contronted treyvon but from a distance. something to the effect of stop right there, the police are on their way. most likely he did not have his gun exposed, because again if that was his pattern of behavior he would have been kicked off the neighborhood watch a decade ago
was zimmerman wrong? of course he was. he never should have initiated that confrontation, even from a distance, even without a gun. if he had the gun out that just makes it worse by a factor of a hundred. but still, none of that resulted in treyvons death
or perhaps treyvon confronted zimmerman after he saw he was being followed. not entirely unreasonable, as long as he didnt touch zimmerman, but if he was being followed for a while one course of action would be to see who it was and why. still, the proper response there would be to simply investigate the situation and not make physical contact unless threatened
the most likely scenrio involves treyvon initiating the physical contact, either after being told to stop by zimmerman, or by confronting zimmerman for following him. and the most likely reason for initiating the contact is because he thought he was being profiled. but even if that wasnt the case, he should not have initiated the contact under any circumstance unless he felt his life was directly threatened. and if he was confronted from any distance more than five feet without a gun being shown then he should not have touched zimmerman
if any other scenario emerges that shows zimmerman actually initiating the contact, as if he was going to try to physically hold treyvon until the police arrived, then yes i would say treyvon was justified in attacking zimmerman. you have no idea what intention someone has once they put their hands on you, go ahead an fk them up, they essentially deserve it
just like everyone, i am guessing at this time. and as i said, my overall point actually is not dependant on this one instance. we have a problem with aggression and hostility and violence all related to perceived racism. its pretty fkd up and its resulting in people being completely misunderstanding of each other, and in tragic cases like potentially this one, people dying. we need people to bring clarity to this dysfunction, how we can get past it, and how we can learn to live like the spiritual bothers we are. thats what i am doing
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all kidding aside, note how you dont try to counter my argument with logic, you simply attack me as the individual messenger. i even told you that you would do this and yet you could not resist. this should tell you something dramatic about the appropriateness and usefulness of your response
i will gladly respond to any legitimate questions or challenges to any of the premises i have laid out. but they must be done intellectually, honestly, and with the respect that i deserve for the intense work i have put in on this subject
ready? go
dude, you are misrepresenting facts. you can hear trayvon screaming on the 911 tapes, yelling in a panic fashion, " help, help" this goes on for 30 plus seconds... the shots go off, then the screaming stops. a witness,( girlfriend), has already stated that zimmerman got in trayvons personal space and in a very aggressive manner said what are you doing around here? there was then a push/punch/scuffle, and then trayvon starts screaming, which is corroborated by 2 other 911 calls from neighbors who heard the screams....
its simply racist for him to call 911 when he sees a black person enter a mini mart. how in the blue hell is this " suspicious"
he was clearly chasing trayvon after stalking him.
first off, its not determined who is doing the screaming for help. teams of experts so far havent made that determination, forgive me if i dont rely on your assessment
further, my point is not inexorably hinged on this one incident. i have clearly stated that if it is shown that zimmerman acted improperly he should be prosecuted. the issues i raise go far beyond this one example
MEATHEAD, think logically.
zimmerman is 28, has a violent record. is clearly a big guy.
trayvon is 17, 140lbs, has no violent history.
zimmerman was told not to follow, clearly he did.
zimmerman has the gun, trayvon doesnt....lol
trayvons girlfriend said trayvon was scared and was being stalked...
do you really believe zimmerman was screaming? lol, he has a gun, all he would have to do is point it at him. do you really believe trayvon would beat the crap out of zimmerman? do you realize how stupid this sounds...
logically why would some power trip crazy psycho, all of sudden sound like a little scared boy for almost a minute? when he has the gun?
just the fact that zimmerman shot an unarmed man in public space is enough to warrant an arresst and trial.
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