View Poll Results: How should the fee for the Wild Card be applied

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    Re: Wild Card:

    Quote Originally Posted by chernobylwraiths
    Add more intrigue. Let each zoner have a "sealed bid" for 3K so that nobody can know what was bid for that auction. When a wild card offer comes in, you will just say that the second high bid is X but there is a sealed bid in the auction that I can't say is either higher or lower. That adds even more strategy.
    Cool idea, but could become a major pain in the ass to keep track of... Who has what types of bids remaining.

    -Bill

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    Re: Wild Card:

    Quote Originally Posted by BLeonard
    Cool idea, but could become a major pain in the ass to keep track of... Who has what types of bids remaining.

    -Bill
    It's the reason I think Bedard should get a cronie.

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    Re: Wild Card:

    Quote Originally Posted by chernobylwraiths
    It's the reason I think Bedard should get a cronie.
    That's the thing, though... The "cronie" wouldn't know if a person used a "Wild Card" or a "Sealed Bid" unless Bedard told them... That would also give that person an advantage, knowing who has and hasn't used them.

    My guess is, Bedard wasn'tt planning on telling everyone who or when the Wild Card option was used. Keeps the mystery of "How many people still have it?"

    -Bill

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    Re: Wild Card:

    maybe, but you know how that can easily be tracked.

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    Re: Wild Card:

    Quote Originally Posted by chernobylwraiths
    maybe, but you know how that can easily be tracked.
    How easily what could be tracked?

    What I'm saying is, when someone uses their "Wild Card" I don't think Bedard had any intentiones to announce that a person (or persons) are using it. Meaning, unless someone comes out and says "I used my WC," there's no way of anyone else knowing when (or if) they used it. Hell, a person could even claim to use it on a day, when they really didn't.

    From what I'm understanding, use of the Wild Card would basically be between the user and Bedard:

    1: User donates money to Bedard, likely with "Wild Card" or something similar in the donation title.

    2: Bedard PM's that person the current high bid

    3: User then bids accordingly, elects not to top the bid, or says to themselves "Dammit, I don't have enough to win"

    Nobody else would know when it was used, or who used it. Making it pretty much impossible to track...

    -Bill
    Last edited by BLeonard; 04-04-2012 at 11:59 AM.

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    Re: Wild Card:

    Quote Originally Posted by BLeonard
    How easily what could be tracked?

    What I'm saying is, when someone uses their "Wild Card" I don't think Bedard had any intentiones to announce that a person (or persons) are using it. Meaning, unless someone comes out and says "I used my WC," there's no way of anyone else knowing when (or if) they used it. Hell, a person could even claim to use it on a day, when they really didn't.

    From what I'm understanding, use of the Wild Card would basically be between the user and Bedard:

    1: User donates money to Bedard, likely with "Wild Card" or something similar in the donation title.

    2: Bedard PM's that person the current high bid

    3: User then bids accordingly, elects not to top the bid, or says to themselves "Dammit, I don't have enough to win"

    Nobody else would know when it was used, or who used it. Making it pretty much impossible to track...

    -Bill
    You mean one couldn't look up donate, item history to see when someone donates Bedard 5000?

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    Re: Wild Card:

    Quote Originally Posted by chernobylwraiths
    You mean one couldn't look up donate, item history to see when someone donates Bedard 5000?
    Well, I guess they could now, that you had to blab about it...

    You don't really grasp the concept of a "competitive advantage," do you??

    -Bill

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    Re: Wild Card:

    Quote Originally Posted by BLeonard
    Well, I guess they could now, that you had to blab about it...

    You don't really grasp the concept of a "competitive advantage," do you??

    -Bill
    Well, I wasn't going to, but you seemed to be questioning my knowledge on this and I had to correct you. You should have just let it drop.

    Besides, I have Scarlett, Salma, Alyssa and Charlize on my team. Right now, I think everyone else has a competitive disadvantage.

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    Re: Wild Card:

    I don't see how this helps someone with $50k ZB, me for example, compete against someone who has hundreds of thousands, like Mski. He came by his ZB fair and square, but for the purposes of this game, there is no reason he cant put down a 50k bid on every lady.

    So, nothing is really equalized. I can pay 5k zb to see a bid that I cant possibly match? Thats not helpful. I'd say, save yourself the trouble, King. It doesnt even the playing field.

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    Re: Wild Card:

    Quote Originally Posted by chernobylwraiths
    Besides, I have Scarlett, Salma, Alyssa and Charlize on my team. Right now, I think everyone else has a competitive disadvantage.
    Funny how you only mention 4 of your 7 cards...

    My guess is, Stratton will be pulling one of those from you and you're running low on funds as well... Wouldn't get too cocky just yet.

    -Bill

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    Re: Wild Card:

    Quote Originally Posted by FancyPats
    I don't see how this helps someone with $50k ZB, me for example, compete against someone who has hundreds of thousands, like Mski. He came by his ZB fair and square, but for the purposes of this game, there is no reason he cant put down a 50k bid on every lady.

    So, nothing is really equalized. I can pay 5k zb to see a bid that I cant possibly match? Thats not helpful. I'd say, save yourself the trouble, King. It doesnt even the playing field.
    That's why I suggested the cost being a percentage of the person's ZB, as opposed to a flat fee for everyone. It helps the idea actually do what I think Bedard was intending, level the playing field a bit.

    -Bill

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    Re: Wild Card:

    Quote Originally Posted by FancyPats
    I don't see how this helps someone with $50k ZB, me for example, compete against someone who has hundreds of thousands, like Mski. He came by his ZB fair and square, but for the purposes of this game, there is no reason he cant put down a 50k bid on every lady.

    So, nothing is really equalized. I can pay 5k zb to see a bid that I cant possibly match? Thats not helpful. I'd say, save yourself the trouble, King. It doesnt even the playing field.
    That's why I said why not just give everyone 1

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    Re: Wild Card:

    Quote Originally Posted by TacklingDummy
    That's why I said why not just give everyone 1
    That does nothing to solve the ZB discrepancy, though, which was the purpose of the idea to begin with.

    IMO, the only way it helps balance the ZB discrepancy is tying the cost to a percentage of ZB that the user has... Kinda like a tax... The more you have, the more you pay.

    I know it doesn't work that way in the "real world," but it could be used to help balance the game a bit in this situatuion.

    -Bill

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    Re: Wild Card:

    BL you changed my mine, I am on board with you. % of the persons bucks,

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    Re: Wild Card:

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    You show up at practice and then either steal the ball and make us chase you to get it back, or you try to tackle people at inappropriate times."
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    Re: Wild Card:

    Quote Originally Posted by King Bedard
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    Re: Wild Card:

    Free math lesson here:

    Those who have less than 166,666.66 ZB should be voting for the 3% option, since 3% of 166,666.66 is 5000... If you have less than that, the 3% will be less as well, meaning your wild card would be cheaper to purchase...

    By comparison, Mski's would currently cost him about 13,010 to use... Just sayin'

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    Re: Wild Card:

    Quote Originally Posted by BLeonard
    Funny how you only mention 4 of your 7 cards...

    My guess is, Stratton will be pulling one of those from you and you're running low on funds as well... Wouldn't get too cocky just yet.

    -Bill
    But that's all it would take to beat your feed trough.

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    Re: Wild Card:

    Quote Originally Posted by jamze132
    But that's all it would take to beat your feed trough.
    I have plenty of ZB to add to my team... Chern and you, not so much...

    -Bill

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    Re: Wild Card:

    Make it really interesting....

    The only cost to the Wild Card user is the flat 5k...take the 'winning bid' zonebucks from whoever had the highest bid and got screwed out of the player.

    That would equalize any zonebux discrepancies in a hurry.
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