Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"

[Mike]

Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"

You mean besides the fact that he plays a different position in a different scheme? Rushing from a lb spot in a 3-4 is a different thing with different responsibilities.

Excuse after excuse. Top players produce, the end!
Next thing youll be blaming the turf, and the temperature and the wind, and maybe even the god (would not be the first time). If he does not produce, its a reflection of him. There are plenty of great DEs playing on god awful teams that have produced. IF Mario is great or very good, circumstances should not dictate outcome, he should dictate outcome.

[mrbojanglezs]

Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"

Ok... Let's assume you're right (which you're not)... Did Bruce Smith ever produce when facing double and triple teams?

he is not Bruce Smith. Why do you hate on Mario so much?? We paid him a lot who cares? We needed a pass rusher and we got the best one that was on the market. Wouldn't be the first guy to get overpaid in this league.

Get off your high horse.

[coastal]

Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"

he is not Bruce Smith. Why do you hate on Mario so much?? We paid him a lot who cares? We needed a pass rusher and we got the best one that was on the market. Wouldn't be the first guy to get overpaid in this league.

Get off your high horse.

Because I wouldn't want to go into battle with him and we made him the highest paid player in the history of the organization.

[better days]

Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"

Because I wouldn't want to go into battle with him and we made him the highest paid player in the history of the organization.

I doubt Mario would want to go into battle with you either.

[JoeMama]

Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"

Because I wouldn't want to go into battle with him and we made him the highest paid player in the history of the organization.

There's only one former Bill I'd go into battle with.

Former offensive line coach Carl Mauck.

That dude looked ready to murder an entire school bus full of children every time they panned to the sideline.

[BertSquirtgum]

Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"

Because I wouldn't want to go into battle with him and we made him the highest paid player in the history of the organization.

blah blah blah, enough already.

[kishoph]

Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"

I watched the whole game... He was invisible and single teamed.

Heres a stat...

KC playing from behind whole game... Bills 5 sacks...

Super Mario... None.

If you really think that Williams didn't have an impact on yesterdays game, you're totally wrong. He has an impact on the game even before the opening kickoff, don't you think that opposing teams game plan their pass protection to stop Williams ? Sacks are a lot more than just an individual effort. There's more to grading a player than just stats. In the run game Williams did an excellent job in holding the edge yesterday. In the pass rush, you said you watched the whole game, but what game were you watching ? To say that he was singled teamed the whole game, again you couldn't be more wrong and you must of also missed a fumble recovery. If this how he looks when he's" invisible," I can't wait till we can see him or at least you can see him, but that may never come, unless you take the hater shades off.

[JoeMama]

Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"

Who knows, maybe Mario Williams is pulling a CJ2K and decided to mail it in now that he got his ultimate payday.

He's too busy stackin' paper to the ceiling and rollin' on 24 inch chrome to hear the criticism of guys like coastal.

Personally, I don't think he'll live up to most people's expectations. But I do think he'll have a more measurable impact as the season progresses.

[Michael82]

Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"

Wtf game were u watching?

Single teams.

All.

Day.

Long.

Not all day long, but a majority of the time. I, along with the guy next to me were watching him many different times and noticed he was 1-on-1. Occasionally the guard would chip in, but Mario was getting blocked and manhandled 1-on-1 quite a bit. It was very troubling. I really wonder if he has some kind of injury and they arent telling anyone.

[Michael82]

Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"

he is not Bruce Smith. Why do you hate on Mario so much?? We paid him a lot who cares? We needed a pass rusher and we got the best one that was on the market. Wouldn't be the first guy to get overpaid in this league.

Get off your high horse.

We got the best two on the marker. And Mark Anderson actually is making plays and looks good out there. Mario Williams, the $100 million man...does NOT!

[Oaf]

Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"

Are we worse w/ MW than w/o him? If no, then shut up. It's not your $100m. Besides, there's an argument there's no Mark Anderson with no Mario Williams.

[TedMock]

Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"

It depends on what we're looking for. The obvious answer is "dominant in all facets." Unfortunately, that is rarely realistic. Want a pure dominating pass rusher? Want a well rounded game? Stud against the run? Williams didn't kill the stat sheet yesterday, but anybody watching saw him play a very good game. Nobody wins every battle on the line. Several times, he collapsed the offensive right side which is great and it is something not often talked about that we desperately lacked in the past. Kyle Williams and Dareus are obviously great interior players, but both also obviously benefitted from Mario's play yesterday. No sacks, but a few high quality pressures that led to incompletions and punts, and one to a sack. A fumble recovery, a tipped pass and a holding call. Hardly a crap game. A sack or two would have been awesome and certainly justified the signing more, but to argue that he did not play well overall is pure foolish. To argue the dollar value is another story. It all depends on what you personally expected, but that's an individual's opinion. There are one hundred million of those out there.

[DraftBoy]

Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"

This thread ignored any kind of schematic or tactical advantage that Williams mere presence brings. He is not just going to be a state sheet guy and we all knew that when we signed him which was why we signed him.

[JoeMama]

Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"

The people who have already set up camp on one side or the other on Mario Williams are unlikely to budge no matter what the stats indicate at the end of the season.

If he blows up, we'll hear how his sacks and QB pressures were meaningless "Aaron Schobel" coverage sacks.

If he sucks, we'll hear how his mere presence elevated the whole unit (provided we improve on defense this season, which we should).

The script may as well be pre-written.

[kishoph]

Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"

There is no player in the league that is going to go out and dominate every game he plays in.
The Bills could go out and get Payton Manning, and the 1st interception he threw, there would be people on the boards talking about how much he sucks and the Bills should of got someone else. Remember there were people that wanted Frank Reich over Jim Kelly, because they thought Kelly sucked. There will always be people that just love misery or want to hear themselves complain.