Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"

[DraftBoy]

Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"

Bull.

-I would have benched him because he's an ineffective player on the worst defense in the league;
-If I'm worried about upsetting someone who is under performing on the worst defense in the league, I'll risk the insurrection;
-two of his teammates, Kelsay and Kyle Williams called out several members of the D for playing undisciplined and without effort. I can almost guarantee he was on the unnamed list;
-Ask Bill Parcells about whether he worries about hurting someone's feelings. You'll probably get a quote in return that'll make a Coors Light commercial in the future.

"The only players I hurt with my words are the ones who have an inflated opinion of their ability. I can't worry about that."

Bill Parcells

You going to be bench the rest of them too?

But they didn't name players, did they? There is a very large difference between what you suggest doing singling out a player and Williams and Kelsay calling out unnamed players. Whether that was intended for him or not, which I agree his name was probably on.

Ill be happy to, my first question will be what the hell happened with the Jets, Dolphins, and Cowboys. This isn't the mid 1990's anymore, his style is not the norm nor do players react well to it. So if he's the model you want to follow we can expect continued mediocrity because that's what he's been getting for the last 10+ years.

[justasportsfan]

Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"

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Well duh, Schobel was really good for a long time. At this point in his career Schobel (2005-06, when he was 28-29, Mario is 27) had 12 and 14 sack seasons. If he was a free agent after his seventh year, Schobel would have gotten a huge payday too.

Mario is a good DE. He's having an average season, but he's still got more sacks than everyone else on the team. So who cares how much they paid him? I know, I know, they could have gotten a DE with 6 sacks and a better LB or CB with the same money – okay who?

33 year old Andre Carter with his 4 games played and 1 sack?
Rookie Jared Crick with 0 sacks
No free agent DE signed this past year has more sacks than Mario. Wimbley with the Titans is next closest with 3.5

So if they signed some scrub who would have maybe 2 sacks this year, you'd be complaining that it was a typical One Bills Drive move and they should have gone after somebody like Williams who would be leading the team in sacks right now.

you're paying a guy $100M. He is expected to at least be better than Shobel. Excuse me if I'm expecting that. After all the FO and players themselves built all this hype about Mario. Just voicing out my disappointment so far.


Let me remind you I stated "up to this point" . That doesn't mean he won't get there.

[cookie G]

Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"

You going to be bench the rest of them too?

There would have been a number of them. Aaron Williams would have been, before he got hurt. Dareus might have been another, but those are different circumstances. I thought he showed more effort against the Texans and Patriots anyways. There may have been others.

But they didn't name players, did they? There is a very large difference between what you suggest doing singling out a player and Williams and Kelsay calling out unnamed players. Whether that was intended for him or not, which I agree his name was probably on.

It isn't a matter of singling him out, as I said, there probably would have been others for different reasons. It is about making changes in an attempt to improve the worst defense in the league.

Ill be happy to, my first question will be what the hell happened with the Jets, Dolphins, and Cowboys. This isn't the mid 1990's anymore, his style is not the norm nor do players react well to it. So if he's the model you want to follow we can expect continued mediocrity because that's what he's been getting for the last 10+ years.

Of course it doesn't. Only coach in NFL history to take 4 different teams to teh playoffs.

Tom Coughlin should have been fired years ago.

If not for those 2 SB wins in the last 5 years, he probably would have been. Hell, there was talk about firing him last year. The old "he's out of touch with today's players" routine came up again as late as last November.

It isn't even necessarily about being a hard ass. Some try, and look stupid doing it. Gregg Williams when he started with the Bills, for instance. Todd Haley comes off as annoying. Everyone has their own way. I myself, responded better to letting me know what I was doing wrong, rather than screaming at me about it. But that was mostly because the screamers I had didn't know what they were doing.

Unless it was an effort thing, then the screaming was warranted. But that's just me.

But it is about getting your players to perform, your unit to perform, especially when they are performing well below their talent level. If that means changes must be made, so be it.

[DraftBoy]

Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"

There would have been a number of them. Aaron Williams would have been, before he got hurt. Dareus might have been another, but those are different circumstances. I thought he showed more effort against the Texans and Patriots anyways. There may have been others.

Awesome so we get more Justin Rogers, and whatever other craptastic backup we have at DT in all because we have no patience and want to try and embarass a player.

It isn't a matter of singling him out, as I said, there probably would have been others for different reasons. It is about making changes in an attempt to improve the worst defense in the league.

Maybe you're intent isn't embarassment but you know how this plays.

Of course it doesn't. Only coach in NFL history to take 4 different teams to teh playoffs.

Tom Coughlin should have been fired years ago.

If not for those 2 SB wins in the last 5 years, he probably would have been. Hell, there was talk about firing him last year. The old "he's out of touch with today's players" routine came up again as late as last November.

Tell me the last star player Coughlin benched for poor play (Osi?). He may be an old grumpy man, but he's not one to just bench a struggling player.

It isn't even necessarily about being a hard ass. Some try, and look stupid doing it. Gregg Williams when he started with the Bills, for instance. Todd Haley comes off as annoying. Everyone has their own way. I myself, responded better to letting me know what I was doing wrong, rather than screaming at me about it. But that was mostly because the screamers I had didn't know what they were doing.

But it is about getting your players to perform, your unit to perform, especially when they are performing well below their talent level. If that means changes must be made, so be it.

Well we agree Haley is an asshate and Williams is an idiot, the rest we don't agree about. There is so much wrong with this team schematically that I'd rather us try and fix before we decide its all the players fault as is par for the course.

[coastal]

Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"

Bull.-I would have benched him because he's an ineffective player on the worst defense in the league;-If I'm worried about upsetting someone who is under performing on the worst defense in the league, I'll risk the insurrection;-two of his teammates, Kelsay and Kyle Williams called out several members of the D for playing undisciplined and without effort. I can almost guarantee he was on the unnamed list;-Ask Bill Parcells about whether he worries about hurting someone's feelings. You'll probably get a quote in return that'll make a Coors Light commercial in the future."The only players I hurt with my words are the ones who have an inflated opinion of their ability. I can't worry about that."Bill Parcells

[cookie G]

Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"

Awesome so we get more Justin Rogers, and whatever other craptastic backup we have at DT in all because we have no patience and want to try and embarass a player.

Because giving up 31 points a game is something to hold on to.

Maybe you're intent isn't embarassment but you know how this plays.

Whatever.

Tell me the last star player Coughlin benched for poor play (Osi?). He may be an old grumpy man, but he's not one to just bench a struggling player.

He benched his 1st round pick in Game 1 for fumbling on his 2nd career carry.

David Wilson should be getting out of Menningers any time now. All that emotional trauma, you know.

Well we agree Haley is an asshate and Williams is an idiot, the rest we don't agree about.

There is so much wrong with this team schematically that I'd rather us try and fix before we decide its all the players fault as is par for the course.

I hate to tell you this, but for a DE, it is about as easy as a scheme as you can get, especially one with the skill set he has.

-Line up on the outside
-get in backfield
-pressure QB
-watch contain, protect against cutback.
-beat guy in front of you, the guy you have the edge on.

That's it.

That is what he was brought in to do. That's why he is getting $100 million.

He isn't being lined up head on an OT, asked to take on multiple blockers, asked to hold ground, etc., etc.

But the "athletic freak" hasn't been getting around much slower RT's. At times, it could be the wrist thing...maybe, but I'm still waiting for him to beat a tackle cleanly once in a while, i.e., out quick him. But it is because he hasn't been doing his job that they've been moving him around lately. And even that didn't work.

But his wrist didn't miraculously heal between the Pats game and the Miami game.

He was playing better because he was actually getting off the ball, he was actually running, instead of jogging. In other words, he was actually hustling, instead of phoning it in.

But I'm sorry, all this talk is hurting his feelings.

[BADTHINGSMAN]

Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"

While Mario had a solid game, for 100 mil he needs to do that against elite tackles in the game.

[jlgarsh]

Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"

Let's give him a season before running him out of town...He seems to be getting healthier, and is definitely opening things up for Dareus and Williams in the middle.

[delectrolux]

Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"

9.5 sacks... With 4 games to go.

[jlgarsh]

Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"

He looks pretty good since the surgery, and it definitely getting more pressure. His forced fumble/recovery today really helped get the Bills some momentum.

[Mike]

Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"

Ive said it all along... Mario is an above average DE slightly better than Schobel that plays on a PB level every other year or so. He is not nearly as bad as made out to be in begining of season or as good as made out to be when signed. In the end, most of you will like the move.

[SquishDaFish]

Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"

Coastal will never admit he was jumping the gun and also that he was wrong

[Night Train]

Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"

He wasn't doing much of anything early on but the last several weeks he's been playing very good football. A definite plus, going forward.

[coastal]

Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"

He made one play... an awesome play to be sure...

but that was it. Invisible rest of game... Single teamed throughout.

alex Carrington was the player to watch today.

and mind u... This is Jville.... Not NE... Not against Tom Brady... Or Big Ben.

you idiots will never learn.

[Night Train]

Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"

you idiots will never learn.

Oh, the irony.