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    Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"

    Quote Originally Posted by coastal View Post
    you mean like Pittsburgh does?

    Oops.
    Pittsburgh doesn't have an infinitely long losing history.

    They have more Superbowl rings than any other team in the NFL.

    They have a hard time retaining all the talent they draft, making it largely unnecessary to go get big names in free agency.

    If you're suggesting we should draft better, well duh, I agree.

    But we don't and that's why we haven't made the playoffs in 12 years and that's why we're trying to throw money at the problem.

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    Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Fo Sho View Post
    All of what? Who is Chris Kelsay taking playing time away from? Who would we have signed that Chris Kelsay's salary is preventing us from signing?
    All of what?

    The decisions this organization makes.. That's what.

    And it's not about who they would pay instead of Kelsay.. It's about the desperate need to sign Mario wouldn't exist if we started making better decisions as a franchise.... And keeping some bag of **** football player like kelsay around takes away opportunities from real football players helping this organization to improve.

    But we don't do that and year after year we expect a different result and when we don't get it... The panic button gets pressed and we draft players like Aaron Maybin or spend $100 million on a guy who hasn't produced in 3 years.

    Fools gold dude.

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    Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"

    Quote Originally Posted by JoeMama View Post
    But we don't and that's why we haven't made the playoffs in 12 years and that's why we're trying to throw money at the problem.
    and wouldn't u agree that this recipe has proven to be a failure way more often than not in the NFL?

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    Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"

    Quote Originally Posted by coastal View Post
    All of what?

    The decisions this organization makes.. That's what.

    And it's not about who they would pay instead of Kelsay.. It's about the desperate need to sign Mario wouldn't exist if we started making better decisions as a franchise.... And keeping some bag of **** football player like kelsay around takes away opportunities from real football players helping this organization to improve.

    But we don't do that and year after year we expect a different result and when we don't get it... The panic button gets pressed and we draft players like Aaron Maybin or spend $100 million on a guy who hasn't produced in 3 years.

    Fools gold dude.
    You haven't paid attention to basically the only thing I've said on this thread...I only asked how signing Mark Anderson was a better transaction than signing Mario Williams. You preceded to tell me that you're smarter than me without answering my question. I don't give 2 ****s about fools gold.

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    Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"

    Quote Originally Posted by coastal View Post
    and wouldn't u agree that this recipe has proven to be a failure way more often than not in the NFL?
    Everybody that has been paying attention agrees. But drafting badly and not bringing in any good players would be worse.

    I think the 49ers (as you pointed out) provide a pretty good blueprint. Buy better players until you start drafting good players and then stop buying players and try to keep as many of your good players as you can afford.

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    Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Fo Sho View Post
    You haven't paid attention to basically the only thing I've said on this thread...I only asked how signing Mark Anderson was a better transaction than signing Mario Williams. You preceded to tell me that you're smarter than me without answering my question. I don't give 2 ****s about fools gold.
    Because... Anderson struggled in this league... To the point where he's been released.

    And he came back... Worked hard... Learned... And repeated his initial success... And produced last year!

    Not to mention... We didn't make him the highest paid player in the history of the franchise.

    It was a signing that made sense.

    M Williams wasnt sensible. It felt good... But it wasn't sensible... Not. One. Damn. Bit.
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    Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"

    Quote Originally Posted by jimmifli View Post
    Everybody that has been paying attention agrees. But drafting badly and not bringing in any good players would be worse.

    I think the 49ers (as you pointed out) provide a pretty good blueprint. Buy better players until you start drafting good players and then stop buying players and try to keep as many of your good players as you can afford.
    http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles...he-draft-nears

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    Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"

    Quote Originally Posted by coastal View Post
    Because... Anderson struggled in this league... To the point where he's been released.

    And he came back... Worked hard... Learned... And repeated his initial success... And produced last year!

    Not to mention... We didn't make him the highest paid player in the history of the franchise.

    It was a signing that made sense.

    M Williams was sensible. It felt good... But it wasn't sensible... Not. One. Damn. Bit.
    Ok.

    So you've made this big stink about Mario's first game. How did Anderson do today?

    Why does how much we paid for Mario matter in THIS case? We're still under the cap, Mario isn't preventing any signings.

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    Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Fo Sho View Post
    Ok.

    So you've made this big stink about Mario's first game. How did Anderson do today?

    Why does how much we paid for Mario matter in THIS case? We're still under the cap, Mario isn't preventing any signings.
    One thing Anderson didn't do was whine about getting blocked in his post game presser.

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    Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"

    Quote Originally Posted by coastal View Post
    One thing Anderson didn't do was whine about getting blocked in his post game presser.
    Who cares what he said in the presser? Do I think he should've bitched, no. Do I care about what he says off the field, not really...especially in this case.

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    Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Fo Sho View Post
    Who cares what he said in the presser? Do I think he should've bitched, no. Do I care about what he says off the field, not really...especially in this case.
    We're two very different people then.

    Because whether he likes it or not.. Mario is the leader of the team.

    And our leader is a butt ****ing whiner.

    And I personally have a problem with leaders who are butt ****ing whiners... Especially when they don't produce.

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    Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"

    Quote Originally Posted by coastal View Post
    We're two very different people then.

    Because whether he likes it or not.. Mario is the leader of the team.

    And our leader is a butt ****ing whiner.

    And I personally have a problem with leaders who are butt ****ing whiners... Especially when they don't produce.
    Mario is not the leader on this team. That was discussed during his signing. He's here to play DE, not be a voice in the locker room.

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    Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"

    Is it too late to restructure his contract and get some of that money back? Guy was invisible out there today and against a rookie tackle pretty much. That's not acceptable.

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    Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Fo Sho View Post
    Mario is not the leader on this team. That was discussed during his signing. He's here to play DE, not be a voice in the locker room.
    I think you are missing his point.

    Mario is the highest paid BILLS player... boy needs to step it up and not be a whining bitch.
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    Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"

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    I think you are missing his point.

    Mario is the highest paid BILLS player... boy needs to step it up and not be a whining bitch.
    Works pretty well for Brady..

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    Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Fo Sho View Post
    Works pretty well for Brady..
    You are right about that!

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    Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"

    Alright, I'm out for the night...bumble bee tuna.

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    Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"

    Great advice! Draft better. Supplement through free agency. What about the teams that draft ****ty?

    Now you're the Bills GM, and you've had 15 years of mostly ****ty drafts. You've got a boatload of money and a bunch of ****ty players. Are you saying don't spend it? Or spend it on players that don't want to come here. You like the Anderson signing, why do you think he came here? It might just be related to the strength of the Bills Dline and the fact that he's the least likely guy on the line to face a double team. Do you think he comes if we didn't land Mario? I don't.

    And what about next off season? Do you think there may be some FA LBers that wouldn't mind playing behind that line and would at least keep the Bills on the list?

    The team sucks, and has sucked for a long time. And until it shows some success it will be hard to attract those mid tier guys that don't break the bank.

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    Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Fo Sho View Post
    Works pretty well for Brady..
    Except Brady actually produces...

    Big difference.

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    Re: Mario Williams is "Fools Gold"

    Quote Originally Posted by coastal View Post
    and wouldn't u agree that this recipe has proven to be a failure way more often than not in the NFL?
    Dan Snyder's reckless spending is a good example in defense of your overall point.

    But certainly, many teams have addressed specific weak spots via free agency.

    Minnesota basically built a defensive dynasty around the acquisitions of former Bills, DT Pat Williams and CB Antoine Winfield.

    The Vikings had a real good run for a real long time with those two as pivotal parts of the puzzle.
    Last edited by JoeMama; 09-09-2012 at 10:14 PM.

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