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    Re: 9/11 - What convinced you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Spartacus View Post
    Did the Russians shell their own town and blame it on the Finns or not?

    Are you a historian or an apparatchik?
    Did they?

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    Re: 9/11 - What convinced you?

    As usual with these Spartacus threads, a bit of cleaning up needs to be done.

    I don't have any "hurt feelings," over this.

    I view it coldly and dispassionately.

    Friends of mine were murdered. That pales in comparison to the real result of this event. I don't carry any personal feelings regarding it, and the claim is false. Actually stupid, stupid and false.

    I do, however, know a lot of the people involved, and I will never sit idly by while some Canadian nut attempts to recreate it.

    The proof is overwhelming, and in spite of consistent attempts to prove that the commonly accepted explanation is not correct, there has never been a single bit of credible evidence to suggest otherwise.

    Some, way smarter that this guy on this football website have tried, but reality is a tough thing to change/recreate.
    He wouldn't last one tenth of a second among those who were involved.

    The Spartacus/Shiva character is way, way down the food chain on this. He has never come close to a reasonable challenge. He is not to be taken seriously until he presents something serious, and he never will.

    Evidently, he has some kind of a following here, or at least believes he has.
    I have always viewed him as no more than a self obsessed clown.

    Regardless, that has nothing to do with my view. I have posted on this subject for eleven years, always in response.
    Facts, not foolishness. Nobody has ever challenged any of those posts, nor would they, because the facts are clear, and the evidence is overwhelming.

    By the way. A claim has been made that I supported a policy that resulted in the death of "hundreds of thousands."

    Here is the quote:

    "Since then, he has supported policies resulting from 9/11 that have resulted in the untimely deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent people."

    An interesting lie, but a lie nonetheless.

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    Re: 9/11 - What convinced you?

    Quote Originally Posted by gameboy View Post
    As usual with these Spartacus threads, a bit of cleaning up needs to be done.

    I don't have any "hurt feelings," over this.

    I view it coldly and dispassionately.

    Friends of mine were murdered. That pales in comparison to the real result of this event. I don't carry any personal feelings regarding it, and the claim is false. Actually stupid, stupid and false.

    I do, however, know a lot of the people involved, and I will never sit idly by while some Canadian nut attempts to recreate it.

    The proof is overwhelming, and in spite of consistent attempts to prove that the commonly accepted explanation is not correct, there has never been a single bit of credible evidence to suggest otherwise.

    Some, way smarter that this guy on this football website have tried, but reality is a tough thing to change/recreate.
    He wouldn't last one tenth of a second among those who were involved.

    The Spartacus/Shiva character is way, way down the food chain on this. He has never come close to a reasonable challenge. He is not to be taken seriously until he presents something serious, and he never will.

    Evidently, he has some kind of a following here, or at least believes he has.
    I have always viewed him as no more than a self obsessed clown.

    Regardless, that has nothing to do with my view. I have posted on this subject for eleven years, always in response.
    Facts, not foolishness. Nobody has ever challenged any of those posts, nor would they, because the facts are clear, and the evidence is overwhelming.

    By the way. A claim has been made that I supported a policy that resulted in the death of "hundreds of thousands."

    Here is the quote:

    "Since then, he has supported policies resulting from 9/11 that have resulted in the untimely deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent people."

    An interesting lie, but a lie nonetheless.
    Just more self-righteous BS.

    Why not answer the question instead of wasting our time with pompous bluster?

    How can you ASSURE us your friends are dead?

    After all, if a conspiracy of some kind is involved, the possiblity of lying about the DNA results cannot be ignored. But, if you can tell us why the evidence is unimpeachable, you can put the whole issue to bed right now.

    I'm betting that you can't and all you've got are accusations of my dastardly poopyheadedness.

    Prove me wrong.
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    Re: 9/11 - What convinced you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibby View Post
    Did they?
    Apparatchik then.

    Gotcha.

    Let's hope that someday you get your dream job re-writing history for the state.

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    Re: 9/11 - What convinced you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Spartacus View Post
    Convenience has nothing to do with it. It's the truth.



    In other words, you admit that there are people within the American power structure capable of ordering ordering 9/11, but since you can't figure out how it could be done, they couldn't have done it?

    Is that a correct assessment of your position?
    It's not that I "can't figure out how it could be done."

    I've looked at all the evidence and it all points to the fact that it wasn't an inside job.

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    Re: 9/11 - What convinced you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Spartacus View Post
    Just more self-righteous BS.

    Why not answer the question instead of wasting our time with pompous bluster?

    How can you ASSURE us your friends are dead?

    After all, if a conspiracy of some kind is involved, the possiblity of lying about the DNA results cannot be ignored. But, if you can tell us why the evidence is unimpeachable, you can put the whole issue to bed right now.

    I'm betting that you can't and all you've got are accusations of my dastardly poopyheadedness.

    Prove me wrong.
    What you are asking further proves your clowndom.

    I would have to be a forensic pathologist present at a number of studies to meet your idiotic burden of proof.

    I know that family members were asked to submit DNA samples, unless they were lying at the two memorial services that I attended. I didn't talk to them directly, but I was told by people who did.

    That aside, this nonsense has gone way too far.
    I believe you are a fool, and I believe there isn't a single person who doesn't see that.
    You have survived here with some kind of immunity for eleven years because you post crap like you have in this thread.
    No evidence. No credibility. Nothing.

    What you are doing, in an oblique fashion, is accusing people that I would know of murder and treason, because, though it has never been mentioned, your conspiracy bs would have to involve them.

    In a court of law, such a claim could be prosecuted. You don't have to worry that because you do this slimy little thing in anonymity.
    Works for you, but there are people who care.

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    Re: 9/11 - What convinced you?

    Quote Originally Posted by JATMtheJATM View Post
    ive noticed every shiva thread becomes less and less about the topic at hand, and more and more about how people argue and debate.
    I said this very same thing on the second page:

    It's your modus operandi and I've seen it too many times.

    Someone talks technical and rather than try to keep up, you attack their character, grammar, or somewhere else where you see an unrelated flaw.

    The other person realizes that you can't actually talk technical with anyone and that you'd prefer to play mind games rather than debate the actual topic at hand.

    They get bored and leave and then you call them a coward and declare yourself the winner.

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    Re: 9/11 - What convinced you?

    Quote Originally Posted by jdaltroy5 View Post
    I said this very same thing on the second page:
    And yet you all come back and beat your head against the very same wall. Why?

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    Re: 9/11 - What convinced you?

    Quote Originally Posted by YankeeInRaleigh View Post
    And yet you all come back and beat your head against the very same wall. Why?
    I have a boring job and I refuse to watch Bills games lately.

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    Re: 9/11 - What convinced you?

    Quote Originally Posted by YankeeInRaleigh View Post
    And yet you all come back and beat your head against the very same wall. Why?
    I prefer to beat his head against the wall, and its really easy to do, since he has nothing, knows nothing, has submitted nothing, and eleven years and thousands of posts later, is still the same goof.

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    Re: 9/11 - What convinced you?

    Quote Originally Posted by gameboy View Post
    What you are asking further proves your clowndom.

    I would have to be a forensic pathologist present at a number of studies to meet your idiotic burden of proof.

    I know that family members were asked to submit DNA samples, unless they were lying at the two memorial services that I attended. I didn't talk to them directly, but I was told by people who did.
    Of course the family members would be asked for DNA samples. SOP.

    However, this does not mean that the samples collected at the site contained the matching DNA. We, and you, only have the word of the testers, ie the investigators, ie. the authorities that they do. There is no way of verifying their evidence, their methods or their results.

    Unless you have some other source of knowledge about your friends' ultimate fates.

    Do you?

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    Re: 9/11 - What convinced you?

    Quote Originally Posted by jdaltroy5 View Post
    It's not that I "can't figure out how it could be done."

    I've looked at all the evidence and it all points to the fact that it wasn't an inside job.
    How? Because all the evidence points to the fact that, IN YOUR ASSESSMENT, it couldn't be done?

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    Re: 9/11 - What convinced you?

    Quote Originally Posted by jdaltroy5 View Post
    I said this very same thing on the second page:
    That's not the same thing he noticed.

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    Re: 9/11 - What convinced you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Spartacus View Post
    That's not the same thing he noticed.
    Bam...right on cue! jdaltroy makes a grave error by saying he said "the exact same thing" as JATM which shiva points out is "not the same thing".

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    Re: 9/11 - What convinced you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Spartacus View Post
    However, this does not mean that the samples collected at the site contained the matching DNA. We, and you, only have the word of the testers, ie the investigators, ie. the authorities that they do. There is no way of verifying their evidence, their methods or their results.
    Ultimately, nothing is knowable.

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    Re: 9/11 - What convinced you?

    Quote Originally Posted by YankeeInRaleigh View Post
    And yet you all come back and beat your head against the very same wall. Why?
    Because they are playing a game they always lose, but hope to win one day.

    They can't.

    Not because of me, but because of themselves. They refuse to admit they make objectivity subservient to their subjectivity, which then requires cheating, ie. sophistry and illogic, to support.

    Reason beats them, not me.

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    Re: 9/11 - What convinced you?

    Quote Originally Posted by gebobs View Post
    Bam...right on cue! jdaltroy makes a grave error by saying he said "the exact same thing" as JATM which shiva points out is "not the same thing".

    Troy wants to cheat. I won't let him. Boo hoo. I'm such a bad man.

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    Ultimately, nothing is knowable.
    Indeed, but some things are more probable than others.
    Last edited by Spartacus; 11-05-2012 at 10:41 AM.

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    Re: 9/11 - What convinced you?

    Quote Originally Posted by gameboy View Post
    I prefer to beat his head against the wall, and its really easy to do, since he has nothing, knows nothing, has submitted nothing, and eleven years and thousands of posts later, is still the same goof.


    Flex those internet muscles, baby! Nothing like an invigorating declaration of personal superiority in the morning.

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    Re: 9/11 - What convinced you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Spartacus View Post
    Of course the family members would be asked for DNA samples. SOP.

    However, this does not mean that the samples collected at the site contained the matching DNA. We, and you, only have the word of the testers, ie the investigators, ie. the authorities that they do. There is no way of verifying their evidence, their methods or their results.

    Unless you have some other source of knowledge about your friends' ultimate fates.

    Do you?
    It would take me about one afternoon to come up with the people who did this DNA analysis. The remains that were recovered were treated with immense respect. It isn't hard, and they are not anonymous.

    If I did, you could take it one step further and challenge me on the DNA double helix.
    It never ends.

    At some point in this senseless endeavor, I think it would be reasonable for folks to ask you to come up with something.

    You never have, because you don't have a single thing to support whatever your claim is.

    You are a fool presenting a fool's argument, actually no argument at all.

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    Re: 9/11 - What convinced you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Spartacus View Post
    How? Because all the evidence points to the fact that, IN YOUR ASSESSMENT, it couldn't be done?
    Yes. Who other's assessment would I use? I'm using facts and logic to come to mine.

    In your assessment, all you've used is motive. You think some people are capable of doing it, therefore all of them DID do it without a reasonable doubt.

    That's it. You're completely ignoring crucial evidence and just saying that you don't NEED to know HOW it was done to prove it was an inside job.

    So you have no proof that the official story is inaccurate and you have no concrete evidence that it could've been done any other way (nor do you feel you bear any responsibility to have to prove it).

    Ok, makes sense to me. Americans are racist and stupid so it must've been an inside job.

    You've said yourself that you've done thousands of hours of research on the subject and you STILL don't feel like you have to prove an alternative scenario.

    What does that tell you?

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