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  • kishoph
    Registered User
    • Jun 2003
    • 3157

    Re: finding some good in the season.

    Between the two backs, they averaged 6.8 yards against the Titans, yet had only 21 carries. Spiller is averaging 7.3 yards a carry this season, but his highest total of carries in a game is 15 (123 yds.). Right now they are both averaging just over 10 carries a game. This just makes no sense to me why between the two of them they are not running the ball 30 plus times a game.

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    • Extremebillsfan247
      Registered User
      • Sep 2008
      • 3142

      Re: finding some good in the season.

      They are running it more. The Bills running game this year has made up for about 48 percent of the total plays from scrimmage compared to last year at 40 percent, and 43 percent in 2010. The offense is about as balanced as it has been since Gailey took over as Head Coach. How much more should they run it?

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      • kishoph
        Registered User
        • Jun 2003
        • 3157

        Re: finding some good in the season.

        Originally posted by Extremebillsfan247 View Post
        They are running it more. The Bills running game this year has made up for about 48 percent of the total plays from scrimmage compared to last year at 40 percent, and 43 percent in 2010. The offense is about as balanced as it has been since Gailey took over as Head Coach. How much more should they run it?
        That stat is misleading, they are at the bottom of the league for offensive plays ran, also, although they average 28 carries a game, Jackson and Spiller each only average 10 carries per game, in the 4 games that Choice has had carries he averaged close to 8 a game, then you also have Brad Smith getting carries and also Fitz's carries add to it. You have a running back that has averaged over 7 yds. a carry, you have to give him the ball more then 12 times a game, along with Jackson, who looked in top form against the Titans. Adrian Peterson has 151 rushing attempts so far, Spiller has 72.
        They rank 23 in TOP, running the ball more will help improve that and also hopefully help cut down on Fitz's 1.4 ints a game. There's plenty of reasons they need to give the ball to Spiller and Jackson more. Spiller is on a pace to have about 200 touches, rushing and receiving, just in comparison, Thurman Thomas (not saying Spiller is Thomas) had 403 touches in a season and that worked out pretty well. When you have such a dynamic player, you need to use him, even if it means taking the ball out of Fitz's hands.

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        • Extremebillsfan247
          Registered User
          • Sep 2008
          • 3142

          Re: finding some good in the season.

          Originally posted by kishoph View Post
          That stat is misleading, they are at the bottom of the league for offensive plays ran, also, although they average 28 carries a game, Jackson and Spiller each only average 10 carries per game, in the 4 games that Choice has had carries he averaged close to 8 a game, then you also have Brad Smith getting carries and also Fitz's carries add to it. You have a running back that has averaged over 7 yds. a carry, you have to give him the ball more then 12 times a game, along with Jackson, who looked in top form against the Titans. Adrian Peterson has 151 rushing attempts so far, Spiller has 72.
          They rank 23 in TOP, running the ball more will help improve that and also hopefully help cut down on Fitz's 1.4 ints a game. There's plenty of reasons they need to give the ball to Spiller and Jackson more. Spiller is on a pace to have about 200 touches, rushing and receiving, just in comparison, Thurman Thomas (not saying Spiller is Thomas) had 403 touches in a season and that worked out pretty well. When you have such a dynamic player, you need to use him, even if it means taking the ball out of Fitz's hands.
          They rank 11th in the league in rushing attempts per game with 28.4. This team doesn't have a 1 back system, so obviously your not likely to see any 1 running back on this team get 20+ carries a game unless an injury requires it. Adrian Peterson gets more carries because he is a feature back, Spiller is not. JMO

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          • ServoBillieves
            The Voice of Reason
            • Jul 2007
            • 6106

            Re: finding some good in the season.

            Take the ball out of Fitzy's hands and make it so we don't have to keep playing catch up.

            This team should be bare bones, gritty football. Run the ball and stop the run. None of this fancy wildcat BS, the five wide set (even though 3 of the 5 receivers are open and Fitzy just stares down one who is covered), and play action if you want to pass.
            Bye Bye Brady...

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            • Don't Panic
              All-Pro Zoner
              • Dec 2005
              • 4227

              Re: finding some good in the season.

              I don't expect either back to lead the league in carries, but since we have two quality backs and a wildly inconsistent QB we should be leaning on them for the majority of our offense. I'd think they should be getting 60% of the total touches minimum.

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              • Extremebillsfan247
                Registered User
                • Sep 2008
                • 3142

                Re: finding some good in the season.

                Originally posted by ServoBillieves View Post
                Take the ball out of Fitzy's hands and make it so we don't have to keep playing catch up.

                This team should be bare bones, gritty football. Run the ball and stop the run. None of this fancy wildcat BS, the five wide set (even though 3 of the 5 receivers are open and Fitzy just stares down one who is covered), and play action if you want to pass.
                With a defense that gives up 32 points a game on average, how can this team not play catch up? lol

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                • IlluminatusUIUC
                  Registered User
                  • Sep 2012
                  • 8966

                  Re: finding some good in the season.

                  Originally posted by Extremebillsfan247 View Post
                  With a defense that gives up 32 points a game on average, how can this team not play catch up? lol
                  Longer drives that aren't being stalled by fitz' bungling would help.


                  Billszone 2013 Prediction Contest winner!

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                  • ServoBillieves
                    The Voice of Reason
                    • Jul 2007
                    • 6106

                    Re: finding some good in the season.

                    Originally posted by Extremebillsfan247 View Post
                    With a defense that gives up 32 points a game on average, how can this team not play catch up? lol
                    When Ryan doesn't throw a pick and immediately put Wann-worthless's defense back on the field.
                    Bye Bye Brady...

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                    • trapezeus
                      Legendary Zoner
                      • Oct 2004
                      • 19525

                      Re: finding some good in the season.

                      the bills should get comfortable running the clock and playing in shootouts. gailey thinks his run game is a result of keeping passes going. i disagree. i think if you have both RB's out there one running a screen Lt, the other running screen right with blocking and brad smith as QB, there will be holes of which all three guys are good at exploiting.

                      the bills offense is so terrible at consistent drives that work the clock that they may have to think outside the box.

                      and the bills could run so much, so effectively, that they'd open up playaction at the very least and flea flick to a big play where accuracy doesn't matter on the long ball if CB's are biting.

                      but i'm just a guy at a keyboard.

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                      • Joebuffalowins
                        Registered User
                        • Apr 2012
                        • 166

                        Q&A with a Texans blogger



                        1) If you were the opposing offensive/defensive coordinator, how would you attack the Texans?
                        Defensively, the Texans display a real weakness in stopping the run in dime situations as teams have exposed them on the ground in those situations. Against the Baltimore Ravens, the Texans adjusted their dime package for the first time the entire season with Bradie James and Brooks Reed in the middle. It will be interesting to see what Wade Phillips is going to do when the Bills spread it out. If the Bills can get the Texans defense into their dime personnel, I would expect Spiller and Jackson to have decent days.

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                        • kishoph
                          Registered User
                          • Jun 2003
                          • 3157

                          Re: finding some good in the season.

                          Originally posted by Extremebillsfan247 View Post
                          They rank 11th in the league in rushing attempts per game with 28.4. This team doesn't have a 1 back system, so obviously your not likely to see any 1 running back on this team get 20+ carries a game unless an injury requires it. Adrian Peterson gets more carries because he is a feature back, Spiller is not. JMO
                          I didn't say Spiller should get 20+, even though I think he should really close to that, I said between Spiller and Jackson they should be getting around 30, right now they are averaging 10 a piece, take away the 4 carry game Spiller had when he got hurt and he is averaging 11 carries. The Arizona game is the only game where they has 28 carries between the 2 of them, the next highest was 21 against N.E. and Tenn. The Bills may be averaging 28 per game, but between Jackson and Spiller they are averaging 20, give the ball to the playmakers. The Tenn. game was a perfect example where they should of used them more, they both were running hard and could of ate up more clock and also avoided a costly int. near the end of the game.

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                          • THRILLHO
                            This is great, and all I've done is enter my name!
                            • Feb 2009
                            • 1574

                            Re: finding some good in the season.

                            Finding some good in the season:

                            Its half over?
                            True fans want wins, not draft picks.

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                            • Joebuffalowins
                              Registered User
                              • Apr 2012
                              • 166

                              Do we have issues with rich athletes more than other cities?



                              "Remember how much we *****ed about hearing about Tebow or T.O. on ESPN? Media and fans alike were displeased with the endless coverage of those guys. It was just too much. Now we are getting that with Mario Williams. He has become Buffalo's version of T.O., but in a smaller fish bowl. It is becoming tabloid journalism or something straight out of US Weekly. The dissection of his every word is just ridiculous and we aren't even halfway through the season. Again, I don't mind the criticism about his play, but too much of the criticism is about what he's doing/saying off the field instead of playing on it."

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                              • Historian
                                2020-2023 AFC East Champions!
                                • Dec 2002
                                • 61703

                                Re: Do we have issues with rich athletes more than other cities?

                                "That's the power of television!" Sinbad, Necessary Roughness.

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