2013 QB Class

[Bill Cody]

Re: 2013 QB Class

Let's just hope we're smart enough to take a QB early.

We will. But will it be the right one? Will we move up to get the right one if need be? We cannot have "I don't want to give up a pick to move up 2 spots so I'll blow the next 5 years + by taking JP ****ing Losman"

[Bill Cody]

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In 2011 people were talking themselves into taking Blaine Gabbert, who completely and obviously sucked.

You have to give Buddy credit for seeing that, not everyone did. I could tell as soon as I saw Gabbert interview with Gruden that was a soft pretty boy. To play in the elements of Buffalo you need an arm but more than that you need to be a tough guy. I honestly believe Drew Bledsoe was that kind of guy and if Donahoe had done even a fair job of putting a line in front of him he would have been great here. He started off that way before he got beaten into submission. I want no part of any soft USC QB.

[stuckincincy]

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You obviously have low standards for "legit posters", although im not surprised from someone who thinks that because they "know many big words" and then uses words such as kerfuffle as though they are more gramatically skilled than everyone else.

Mind your own business.

[trapezeus]

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I think people are underrating this year's draft class. Which is strange because usually they are overrated compared to the previous years'. Take Matt Barkley. He's a 4 year starter with a 2.5:1 TD/Int ratio, a >62% completion % in a pro style offense, and he set the passing TD record at a school that has produced multiple Heisman winners. And he might be the third QB off the board. In 2011 people were talking themselves into taking Blaine Gabbert, who completely and obviously sucked. I'm confident we can find a winner this year, whether that be Manuel, Barkley, chasing Smith, etc.

but barkley doesn't win the big games...he strikes me as anything USC has produced the last 10 years or so.

I don't like that the big names this year have all won nothing and tend to choke in the big game.

Call me crazy, but i still think Optimus Klein is someone since he's dealing with the pressure and they are winning. i admittedly don't know a lot about the qb class, but from the games i've watched, bray looks good because he throws accurately but they aren't winning big time matchups.

r wilson wasn't an amazing prospect but he carries a swagger and changed that teams offense quickly.

[Pinkerton Security]

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Mind your own business.

Oh sorry, didnt realize this was a personal matter. You and Mike must be "close".

[stuckincincy]

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Oh sorry, didnt realize this was a personal matter. You and Mike must be "close".

What do you mean by "close", child? I don't know this "Mike" you refer to. Please educate all us posters.

[X-Era]

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How would you rate the last few drafts compared to 2012 QB Class:

2008: Ryan, Flacco, Brohm, Henne, Flynn,
2009: Stafford, Sanchez, Freeman
2010: Bradford, McCoy, Tebow, Clausen
2011: Newton, Ponder, Locker, Gabbert, Dalton, Mallet
2012: Luck, RG3, Tenehill, Wilson, Weeden

VS:

2013: Geno Smith, Matt Barkley, Landry Jones, Logan Thomas, Tyler Wilson, Tyler Bray (J),

This whole class has such questionable decision making. I find myself liking 2nd or even 3rd rounders better than the top guys.

[X-Era]

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I think people are underrating this year's draft class. Which is strange because usually they are overrated compared to the previous years'. Take Matt Barkley. He's a 4 year starter with a 2.5:1 TD/Int ratio, a >62% completion % in a pro style offense, and he set the passing TD record at a school that has produced multiple Heisman winners. And he might be the third QB off the board. In 2011 people were talking themselves into taking Blaine Gabbert, who completely and obviously sucked. I'm confident we can find a winner this year, whether that be Manuel, Barkley, chasing Smith, etc.

Really? You've got the final answer on Gabbert after a total of one and less than a half years? How did Brees look in his first few years?

[IlluminatusUIUC]

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Really? You've got the final answer on Gabbert after a total of one and less than a half years? How did Brees look in his first few years?

Yes, I do. Brees at least had some success to look back upon at Purdue, back when the Big 10 was actually good. Gabbert, however, looked horrendous in a wide-open Mizzou spread that made Brad Smith and Chase Daniels look like Heisman candidates. 16 TDs/9 ints as a Big XII spread QB?! The guy was horrid in college, but he's big and strong and draftniks needed a 3rd QB to hype. So suddenly he went from a marginal QB to a possible franchise QB? C'mon. He's a 3rd-5th round prospect who got hilariously overdrafted and it shows every sunday.

[X-Era]

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Yes, I do. Brees at least had some success to look back upon at Purdue, back when the Big 10 was actually good. Gabbert, however, looked horrendous in a wide-open Mizzou spread that made Brad Smith and Chase Daniels look like Heisman candidates. 16 TDs/9 ints as a Big XII spread QB?! The guy was horrid in college, but he's big and strong and draftniks needed a 3rd QB to hype. So suddenly he went from a marginal QB to a possible franchise QB? C'mon. He's a 3rd-5th round prospect who got hilariously overdrafted and it shows every sunday.

SMITH CAREER PASSING STATISTICS
2002	12-12	196-366	53.6%	2,333	15	6	117.34
2003	13-13	211-350	60.3%	1,977	11	7	114.11
2004	11-11	191-369	51.8%	2,185	17	11	110.74
2005	12-12	237-399	59.4%	2,304	13	9	114.14
Totals	48-48	835-1,484	56.3%	8,799	56	33	114.10

DANIEL CAREER STATISTICS
2005	10-0	38-66	57.6%	347	1	2	100.68	39	57	1.5	1	8
2006	13-13	287-452	63.5%	3,527	28	10	145.06	147	379	2.3	4	25
2007	13-13	372-534	69.7%	4,170	33	10	151.90	104	284	2.7	4	39
Totals	36-26	697-1,052	66.3%	8,044	62	22	145.75	290	720	2.5	9	39

BLAINE GABBERT STATS	Passing								Rushing
Statistics	Att	Comp	Pct	Yds	TD	Int	Rating		Att	Yds	Avg	TD
2010	475	301	63.4	3,186	16	9	127.0		112	232	2.1	5
2009	445	262	58.9	3,593	24	9	140.5		103	204	2.0	3
2008	13	5	38.5	43	0	0	66.2		6	22	3.7	0
Career	933	568	60.9	6,822	40	18	132.6		221	458	2.1	8

So I can see an argument for Daniel but Smith? Really? Anyone who watched him knows he was far from horrid. In fact he was good enough to have a NFL front office draft him high in the first round. Yet Smith and Daniel went 4th round and undrafted respectively. Must be you knew something that 32 teams didn't.

No QB prospect should be judged after only one season.

[IlluminatusUIUC]

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but barkley doesn't win the big games...he strikes me as anything USC has produced the last 10 years or so.

I don't like that the big names this year have all won nothing and tend to choke in the big game.

Peyton Manning could never beat Florida. Meanwhile, if not for a pass interference penalty, Ken Dorsey would have multiple national titles. I think the big game argument could be overstated. That said, remember that USC has been post-season ineligible since 2010. If not for that, Barkley would have had a shot at the Pac12 title last year against an Oregon team they had already beaten.

[Mike]

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Play nice.

I'm just as annoyed by the constant "look how the Bills screwed up" threads, but there's no rules being broken here. If you don't like it, don't read it, don't respond.

This is NOT a look at how the Bills screwed up thread. No where do I mention the Bills.

This is a Genuine question: How does this Draft Class comare to the others? I dont watch college football so I only have draft knowledgable fans I can ask. How would you stack them up.

[IlluminatusUIUC]

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SMITH CAREER PASSING STATISTICS
2002	12-12	196-366	53.6%	2,333	15	6	117.34
2003	13-13	211-350	60.3%	1,977	11	7	114.11
2004	11-11	191-369	51.8%	2,185	17	11	110.74
2005	12-12	237-399	59.4%	2,304	13	9	114.14
Totals	48-48	835-1,484	56.3%	8,799	56	33	114.10

DANIEL CAREER STATISTICS
2005	10-0	38-66	57.6%	347	1	2	100.68	39	57	1.5	1	8
2006	13-13	287-452	63.5%	3,527	28	10	145.06	147	379	2.3	4	25
2007	13-13	372-534	69.7%	4,170	33	10	151.90	104	284	2.7	4	39
Totals	36-26	697-1,052	66.3%	8,044	62	22	145.75	290	720	2.5	9	39

BLAINE GABBERT STATS	Passing								Rushing
Statistics	Att	Comp	Pct	Yds	TD	Int	Rating		Att	Yds	Avg	TD
2010	475	301	63.4	3,186	16	9	127.0		112	232	2.1	5
2009	445	262	58.9	3,593	24	9	140.5		103	204	2.0	3
2008	13	5	38.5	43	0	0	66.2		6	22	3.7	0
Career	933	568	60.9	6,822	40	18	132.6		221	458	2.1	8

So I can see an argument for Daniel but Smith? Really?

Well, you conveniently left off Smith's 4200 rushing yards and 45 rushing TDs. That does change the picture slightly.

Anyone who watched him knows he was far from horrid. In fact he was good enough to have a NFL front office draft him high in the first round. Yet Smith and Daniel went 4th round and undrafted respectively. Must be you knew something that 32 teams didn't.

No QB prospect should be judged after only one season.

I did watch him. I follow Colorado so I used to watch lot of Big XII football. He was mediocre in a system that lets unimpressive QBs put up video game numbers. McShay got one look at him throwing passes in shorts with no pass rush and fell in love with his build. But he's got terrible pocket awareness and can't read defenses.

I always love the "Oh you must be SO much smarter than the paid professionals" line. Highly paid professionals gave JaMarcus Russell $40 million dollars. They can and do make mistakes and overrate themselves.

[better days]

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I voted 2009 as one of the best 2. Yeah, I know it wasn't, but the Bucs drafted Freeman so it was a GREAT draft for Bucs fans.

[X-Era]

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Well, you conveniently left off Smith's 4200 rushing yards and 45 rushing TDs. That does change the picture slightly.



I did watch him. I follow Colorado so I used to watch lot of Big XII football. He was mediocre in a system that lets unimpressive QBs put up video game numbers. McShay got one look at him throwing passes in shorts with no pass rush and fell in love with his build. But he's got terrible pocket awareness and can't read defenses.

I always love the "Oh you must be SO much smarter than the paid professionals" line. Highly paid professionals gave JaMarcus Russell $40 million dollars. They can and do make mistakes and overrate themselves.

ANY prospect could be a mistake. No one has the final answer on Gabbert yet. No one. It's so easy to slam a player after a bad first year. It's a hell of a lot harder to look past it and admit that they still could become good.