Redskins Giving up on 2012 Season

[kingJofNYC]

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Lmao. Redskins first team to throw their season so another team can draft 1st overall with their pick.

Such a generous organization.

[Joe Fo Sho]

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How?

You tell me, you're the one making the argument...and it's ridiculous.

[Mike]

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"People dont always give up because they something to gain. Usually people give up when they have nothing to gain which is the case here. Now imagine if they had something to gain! That much more incentive."

This doesn't even make any sense.
Yes it does make sense. Lets say that you are a surgeon in France taking home $150,000 Euro/yr and after paying a 40% and working 15hrs/wk. Would you instead work 25hrs per week still take home $150,000 Euro/yr after paying much more in taxes?

Most people would be giving up those extra hours because they have nothing to gain. In the same way NFL players would not put in the extra time, effort, and risk injury


This thread is horrible. And has no premise or point.

Just because it goes against the grain does not mean its horrible. You guys are disappointed because of your high expectations. God forbid anyone ever expressed an opinion that goes against the grain and challenges your opinions....

Evaluating your roster isn't giving up, it's evaluating the roster.

Its giving up on winning. When a team says we are evaluating the rost for the rest of the season what do you think they are talking about???? They are saying, winning is no longer the Goal. They are saying that they will treat the rest of the season like a Preseason... thats what it means.

Them tanking, purposefully, has no gain for them.

Do teams lose games in the Preseason on Purpose??? Probably NOT but winning is irrelevant The goal is player evaluation and development. Winning is not the goal.

And if they are giving up...are they in collusion with the Rams organization to get St Louis a better draft pick?

Your reaching here... Like I stated before, most often giving up is a psychological response to extreem adversity. Generally, when human being know they dont have much of a choice for something better, when their opportunity is limited they give up. There does not need to be a benefit to giving up. Giving up is its own mental relief, its its own benefit.

[Luisito23]

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Between Mitch and Mike, this forum has really turned into a sad place.

[Mike]

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You tell me, you're the one making the argument...and it's ridiculous.

Read the article....

These are the Redskin players saying that some of their teammates 'will throw in the white towel'
Its the coach saying that they are playing for 2013...

I am pointing something very obvious out. Something that is so much of human nature and behaiour that fans want to pertend it does not exist. You think for some odd reason that NFL players play a 100% all of the time. They they dont take plays or games or seasons off. That somehow starting 3-6 doesnt make a difference. That coaches are allways trying to WIN....

***THE GREATEST COACH OF ALL TIME DID NOT CARE ABOUT WINNING!!!! ALL HE ASKED IS THAT HIS PLAYERS GIVE A 100% THATS ALL***

[Mahdi]

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To be fair to the author of the thread, if Shannahan did indeed make these comments, which the article certainly suggests, then it does prove his point that some franchises are willing to look to the future and sacrifice wins for the opportunity to draft higher or develop young players that they might not otherwise put on the field if they were trying to win ball games.

Even without a first round pick you still want a high pick in other rounds and also you can put young players on the field much much more without worrying about inexperience in an effort to get them ready for next year.

[ZAZusmc03]

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I came here from BBMB however long ago, and sadly its becoming more of the same because of this bull.

[Joe Fo Sho]

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Read the article....

These are the Redskin players saying that some of their teammates 'will throw in the white towel'
Its the coach saying that they are playing for 2013...

I am pointing something very obvious out. Something that is so much of human nature and behaiour that fans want to pertend it does not exist. You think for some odd reason that NFL players play a 100% all of the time. They they dont take plays or games or seasons off. That somehow starting 3-6 doesnt make a difference. That coaches are allways trying to WIN....

***THE GREATEST COACH OF ALL TIME DID NOT CARE ABOUT WINNING!!!! ALL HE ASKED IS THAT HIS PLAYERS GIVE A 100% THATS ALL***

What's your argument again? Originally it was that the colts lost on purpose to get the #1 pick. Now it's that people in general will stop trying when faced with adversity? Those are 2 different arguments.

[EricStratton]

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If the team comes out next week with a 2nd string OLine, waives a few vets and starts players off the practice squad I'll believe this. Otherwise it's pure crap.

[Mouldsie]

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Maybe the Rams can land the #1 pick and become a prime trading partner (again)

[trapezeus]

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i think shanahan said this as a form of motivation. he has an underperforming team. shanahan almost always has deflected any personal responsibility over the years when things go bad. he fires everyone else. but he takes the accolades when his team does well.

So this is him walking away from people demanding that he win. "hey, it's on the players. and frankly i'm here next year. if they keep playing poorly they won't be."

sounds like a motivational speech to guys who are on the bubble who maybe accepted the status quo.

I do think teams give up in the year like mike suggests. it might not be a "let's go out and lose" but i remeber the TO year. he wasn't trying. arguably other guys were so frustrated with the same mistakes over and over and the same solutions and trent being the qb, they weren't going the extra mile to do anything. and when you fire the coach in the middle of the year, you are saying, "we are done this year. Everyone is on the bubble and you have to save your job if youwant it."

[Mike]

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What's your argument again? Originally it was that the colts lost on purpose to get the #1 pick. Now it's that people in general will stop trying when faced with adversity? Those are 2 different arguments.

Colts:
I never said the Colts organization all sat in a dark room and decided to lose on purpose but instead a perfect situation for tanking was created and that it worked. What I said was that the organization, FO, Coaches, Players gave up on the season and underperformed in concert with the manipulation from above.

Redskins
The point is that its not all about winning. Players and Coaches 'give up' quite a bit when making playoffs is out of reach to the point that players and coaches even talk to the media about it. Games are then about developing talent, ie its preseason!

Saints:
Saints started out 0-4! Why, yes there was a reason and before you jump up my ass on the assumption that it was draft related hear me out, there was another reason. How & Why: Payton intentionally named interm Joe Vitt as interm coach. Joe Vitt being a guy who was an ok coach at best, and himself suspended for 6weeks. Why not hire Bill Parcels, a man who wanted the job and was familiar with system or Saints OC candidate -who was a hot coaching candidate??? So, WHY? NO, not draft picks, it was simply designed to save his career. Now Payton is one of the hottest coaching candidates. Had Saints started out 4-0 with a formidable coach like Parcels or their OC then Paton may have been a tainted coach out of a job at the end of the season.

Overall Point: Manipulation from above can be a very effective means into influencing players,coaches, etc... -many of whom have given up themselves into giving minimal effort which leads to losing far more than under competitive circumstance.

[BertSquirtgum]

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Here is a real life example of a team giving up on a season which leads to tanking it... After their loss today Redskins are 3-6 putting them in a position where they will have to win out in order to make playoffs. They are trowing in the White Towel.


"Giving up on 2012" "Looking at 2013" or "throwing in the white towel" means not giving a **** about how many more games they Win, thus winning is no longer the goal but player evaluation which is another way to tank the last half of the season.

***For those of you who believe that coaches and players never quite and always try to win.... your wrong***

Shanahan came out and said today that it's bull**** that reporters reported that his statements meant that he's given up on the season. Jumped the gun again.

[Joe Fo Sho]

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So why did the Redskins win today, Mike?

[Mr. Pink]

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So why did the Redskins win today, Mike?

Teams that give up roll up 31-6 beatdowns on occasion.