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    Re: I have a lot of respect for Chan.

    Quote Originally Posted by djjimkelly View Post
    chans only mistake in my eyes has been hiring wansteadt
    His stubborn loyalty to the extremely limited Fitz isn't a plus.

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    Re: I have a lot of respect for Chan.

    Quote Originally Posted by coastal View Post
    My point is that our problems are a lot more than Chan and with a real QB, I think it would be fair to say everyone's opinion of him might be quite different

    bills fans will be screaming for a blood letting by the end of the year. And Ralph will offer up Chan... probably Buddy too in an attempt to appease the blood thirsty crowd.

    None of it will be fair to Chan or the efforts he has put into coaching this team in what amounts to an entirely dysfunctional organization.
    I agree with you. I think we all are guilty at times of blaming the whole thing on one person, position, etc... But, it's a team sport... maybe even an organization sport. Chan is one part of the entire whole. He is not perfect and has made mistakes. However, I personally feel he has done a better job than many of his predecessors. I knwo some of you totally disagree and frankly I won't argue it much. It's not worth hashing through over and over.

    My point is that Chan is only one part and if we had a legit franchise QB our fortunes could be much different. Personally, I'd like to see us wait one more year to decide Chan's final fate. I want to see us add a few more pieces to the defense and a legit future option at QB. I realize our new QB won't likely play next year so I don't consider that as something that will likely make a huge difference next year. But, adding a legit ILB and a solid OLB maybe S could make a big impact on the defense and win us a few more games... Maybe even enough for a playoff run.

    ...And if Chan can get us to the playoffs with a decent defense, and decent offensive production with an average to sub-par QB (Fitz) he has my vote to stay. In the end I think it's still to early to decide on Chan since the defense still needs a few legit pieces.


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    Re: I have a lot of respect for Chan.

    Quote Originally Posted by djjimkelly View Post
    chans only mistake in my eyes has been hiring wansteadt
    Funny you should post that considering how many fans here couldn't wait to see him take over the defense when George Edwards was running it. Wannstedt isn't the problem. The talent sucks, that falls on the head coach and upper management. JMO

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    Re: I have a lot of respect for Chan.

    Good coordinator...lousey HC.

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    Re: I have a lot of respect for Chan.

    Quote Originally Posted by Historian View Post
    Good coordinator...lousey HC.
    If this offense is what we can expect from coordinator Chan, he's awful at that too. One of the best 1-2 punches at running back, one of the worst quarterbacks, and what does genius boy want to do EVERY ********* GAME? Throw the ball with an empty backfield. It's beyond moronic. I think he's lost his mind.
    Gailey's history. He just doesn't know it yet.

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    Re: I have a lot of respect for Chan.

    Quote Originally Posted by coastal View Post
    My biggest criticism of Chan is attempting to run this offense with Fitz at the helm.

    Although no matter what we run, without someone to challenge the outside, it's basically a non-starter anyways.
    You admit that he neglected the most important position in the game, yet still think he's a good coach?

    That doesn't really make sense.

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    Re: I have a lot of respect for Chan.

    You know what the most disturbing part about this is?

    We had pretty much the exact same conversation 8 or 9 years ago regarding Gregg Williams and Kevin Gilbride. Williams had the D and S/T playing great but the O was in shambles and he didn't do anything about it.

    Ralph and Brandon have learned nothing. That's why the past keeps repeating itself.

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    Re: I have a lot of respect for Chan.

    Quote Originally Posted by coastal View Post
    ive worked as a manager in an organization where the owners were totally dysfunctional.
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    Re: I have a lot of respect for Chan.

    Quote Originally Posted by OpIv37 View Post
    You know what the most disturbing part about this is?

    We had pretty much the exact same conversation 8 or 9 years ago regarding Gregg Williams and Kevin Gilbride. Williams had the D and S/T playing great but the O was in shambles and he didn't do anything about it.

    Ralph and Brandon have learned nothing. That's why the past keeps repeating itself.
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    Re: I have a lot of respect for Chan.

    Quote Originally Posted by coastal View Post
    My point is that our problems are a lot more than Chan and with a real QB, I think it would be fair to say everyone's opinion of him might be quite different

    bills fans will be screaming for a blood letting by the end of the year. And Ralph will offer up Chan... probably Buddy too in an attempt to appease the blood thirsty crowd.

    None of it will be fair to Chan or the efforts he has put into coaching this team in what amounts to an entirely dysfunctional organization.
    Guess what: If you named 90% of us Bills head coach, we'd be working our asses off too, trying to get our beloved team to succeed. However, we would be even less qualified than our unqualified head coach. Respect him for cashing millions of dollars and winning less than 1/3 of his games? No thanks. I can respect Chan Gailey the man, he seems to be a good guy who bit off a little more than he could chew, but I'm not going to respect Chan Gailey the head coach.

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    Re: I have a lot of respect for Chan.

    Quote Originally Posted by OpIv37 View Post
    You know what the most disturbing part about this is?

    We had pretty much the exact same conversation 8 or 9 years ago regarding Gregg Williams and Kevin Gilbride. Williams had the D and S/T playing great but the O was in shambles and he didn't do anything about it.

    Ralph and Brandon have learned nothing. That's why the past keeps repeating itself.
    Gilbride has 2 Super Bowl rings and nobody calls him kill drive in NY.

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    Re: I have a lot of respect for Chan.

    Quote Originally Posted by coastal View Post
    He may be one step above where he should be. He may be making some game day mistakes, but the simple fact is the guy is working his ass off. We took a Superbowl contender into the 4th quarter on the road with a decent shot at winning the game.

    Chan Gailey isn't a bum... in fact, give him a Tom Brady and people would be calling him an offensive genius.

    Sure... he's not the best on the planet but his greatest weaknesses are out of his control...

    ...namely not having a QB and working in a ****ed up organization.

    Keep coaching Chan... and keep coaching hard!

    You have my respect.



    I said it before and I'll say it again, Chan doesn't have an offense that can impose its will. Chan himself said it, the texans stacked the line with big guys and he couldn't run. So what should you do? Make the qb burn the D for doing so.

    Problem is, his anointed QB can't make them pay when they stacked the line.

    I think Chan knows offense. Problem is, if he insist on sticking with a qb that can't make certain throws that he needs to make, he's no different form Dick Jauron insisting on drafting Maybin and sticking with Trent Edwards.

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    Re: I have a lot of respect for Chan.

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    McDonalds or Burger King?
    Another one of my personal trolls... and no, I work in healthcare.

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    Re: I have a lot of respect for Chan.

    Quote Originally Posted by justasportsfan View Post
    I said it before and I'll say it again, Chan doesn't have an offense that can impose its will. Chan himself said it, the texans stacked the line with big guys and he couldn't run. So what should you do? Make the qb burn the D for doing so.

    Problem is, his anointed QB can't make them pay when they stacked the line.

    I think Chan knows offense. Problem is, if he insist on sticking with a qb that can't make certain throws that he needs to make, he's no different form Dick Jauron insisting on drafting Maybin and sticking with Trent Edwards.
    He gets the QBs that are on the roster. I don't have much faith that Jackson or that other roster spot would be any better.

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    Re: I have a lot of respect for Chan.

    Quote Originally Posted by jimmifli View Post
    He gets the QBs that are on the roster. I don't have much faith that Jackson or that other roster spot would be any better.
    So find a qb who can and stop insisting on a qb who can't.

    Why did we keep both qb's then? Why are both qb's taking roster spots if they can't even score fg's for us?
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    Re: I have a lot of respect for Chan.

    Quote Originally Posted by jimmifli View Post
    He gets the QBs that are on the roster. I don't have much faith that Jackson or that other roster spot would be any better.
    He doesn't "get" them handed to him - he's the HC for crying out loud. He's had 3 offseasons to go to his GM and say "I can't win with this bum, let's draft [Locker/Dalton/Mallet/etc] or sign someone."

    He made the call to annoint Fitz. There is no way on earth tha extension gets done without his ok, and there is no way the lack of real competition for Fitz happens without his ok.
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    Re: I have a lot of respect for Chan.

    Quote Originally Posted by jimmifli View Post
    He gets the QBs that are on the roster. I don't have much faith that Jackson or that other roster spot would be any better.
    Yes, he does Jimmi, but he's had 3 offseasons to replace Fitz and he hasn't even seriously tried to upgrade him.

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    Re: I have a lot of respect for Chan.

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    Another one of my personal trolls... and no, I work in healthcare.
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    Re: I have a lot of respect for Chan.

    Gailey initially was very candid when he addressed the media. I respected that, especially after hearing Jauron answer every question with..."Uhhh, I love this game, and I love these guys."

    But since the team has continued to falter, he's starting to work on his cliches.

    The problems of this team run very deep:

    Marketing guys with too much input.
    Accountants with too much input.
    Poor scouting department.
    Owner with one foot on the bananna peel.

    Gailey is no rocket scientist to be sure, but the whole mess is not his fault.

    At this point, I honestly doubt that Cowher or Shannahan could have done much better.

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