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    Re: mel kiper

    Quote Originally Posted by djjimkelly View Post
    ok i could live with tyler bray also
    Doubt he leaves and many are saying he's not a first round QB.
    COMING SOON...
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    We were both drunk and Hillary did not look that bad at 2 AM, I swear!!!!!!

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    Re: mel kiper

    Quote Originally Posted by DesertFox24 View Post
    Hell I do not see any QBs for 14 either that intrigue me either to be honest with you.

    Maybe Renner from North Carolina but still.

    Honestly Dysert from Miami Ohio might be the best QB in these next two classes.

    That is not a joke either.

    Also I agree that most first round QBs start but we do have the advantage of having a QB that can play well at times which allows us to not rush him.

    I would much rather do an Aaron Rogers where the guy sits for two years learns and David Lee can work with him and develop him and then he starts in year 2 or 3, preferably year 3.

    Granted that is also predicated on the bills actually making the playoffs in 2013 so do not listen to me I am in Narnia right now.
    Teddy Bridgewater will come out. He's awesome.

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    Re: mel kiper

    Quote Originally Posted by trapezeus View Post
    i am banging my drum for klein simply for his winner status and elevating a school that wasn't supposed to be as good as it is. yeah, he is a better tebow...and i hate tebow...but he won last year. and i am coming around that winners find ways, and simply strong armed or simply smart qb's may or may not pan out.

    you want a guy who knows how to get it done. you don't hvae to take this guy in the first round to prove you are genius, but you have to get your hands on this guy. because like tebow, if he comes in as a backup, he's going to push the first guy. and if the first guy doesn't get it done, you feel a lot of comfort of going to number 2.
    College QB, he is. NFL QB, he is not. Tebow got his clock cleaned by the scary Buffalo defense. Edwards had a little streak, too.

    Also, I blame you for making me misspell trapezius on my anatomy practical.

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    Re: mel kiper

    Yet both will go top 10 because QB's always go higher than their rankings dictate

    Why? Did you watch the Colts tonight? The Colts were the worst team in the league last year and with one pick they are already light years ahead of this franchise. That is how important the QB position is in this league. I applauded the Redskins for their bold move for RGIII because until you have a franchise QB you are seriously wasting everybody's time as a franchise.

    If you draft and miss then you keep drafting one until you get it right

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    Re: mel kiper

    Luck is light years ahead of any QB to enter the NFL draft in over a decade.

    You're more likely to draft the next Ponder/Gabbert than Luck/RGIII in this draft.

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    Re: mel kiper

    2013 NFL Draft (1.0)
    Draft is based on my big board, and current league standings.
    I was dying to write a mock draft sooner or later - and figure this a good opportunity to do so.
    1. Kansas City Chiefs - Matt Barkley (QB) - USC
    The Chiefs are a complete mess. Matt Cassel is not a franchise QB. They need to clean house and start over. The first step is finding a franchise QB. IDC that previous USC QB's have not "succeeded" in the NFL. Barkley is the real deal. I have closely watched every game of his career and this kid has it all. He is extremely accurate, intelligent, has a strong enough arm to make all the NFL throws, and is a natural leader.
    2. Jacksonville Jaguars - Geno Smith (QB) - West Virginia
    Smith has struggled since his monster performance with 7TD passes. He has played poorly against defenses outside his conference. But there is no denying his elite skill and potential. Even if he has to sit on the bench for a year, the Jaguars can continue to play Gabbert and see if there is anything
    there. Smith is a better option as a franchise QB, and if Gabbert plays decent, they can always trade him for a draft pick.
    3. Cleveland Browns - Jarvis Jones (OLB) - Georgia:
    The Browns are headed in the right direction. I like Weeden. I like the improvements on defense, but they still need to improve the pass rush and OLB position. Can have a similar role to what Von Miller has in Denver.
    4. Carolina Panthers - Star Lotulelei (DT) - Utah
    Might be the best player in the nation. Massive, disruptive, play making force. The Panthers cannot stop the run for the life of them.
    5. St. Louis Rams - Luke Joeckel (OT) - Texas AM
    Bradford has improved his play this season, and started to live up to his high draft pick. However his blindside protection continues to be weak.
    6. Tennessee Titans: Manti Te'o (LB) - ND
    The Titans have found a future franchise QB in Locker. Now they need a leader for their defense. The defense is a mess against the run and pass. They need a passionate leader who can help on both fronts. Te'o is the real deal. I love this guy. His passion, work ethic, and play reminds me of Ray Lewis.
    7. Philadelphia Eagles - Chance Warmack (OG) - Alabama
    I don't need to explain this pick...
    8. Dallas Cowboys - Taylor Lewman (OT) - Michigan
    Offensive line play has been horrendous for the Cowboys. They cannot protect Romo nor can they open up holes in the running game. Improvements need to come as soon as possible.
    9. Cincinnati Bengals - Domontre Moore (DE) - Texas AM
    Moore is a speedster. He is a lighter defensive end with speed but will be great on the blindside of a 4-3 defense. I have to note - I absolutely LOVE how the Bengals have built their franchise the past few years. It is admirable.
    10. St. Louis Rams - Robert Woods (WR) - USC
    Many people are giving the Rams other WRs. People are going to argue with me about this pick. However Robert Woods brings absolutely everything to the table. There is really nothing he cannot do. And what I like MOST about him is his route running. He is the best route running in college football, and reminds me of Reggie Wayne. Robert Woods and Bradford can make sweet music together in the years to come.
    11. Buffalo Bills - Tyler Wilson (QB) - Arkansas
    It is about time the Buffalo Bills address their massive need at franchise QB. Wilson is the real deal. I'm a big fan. He has played well this season. He has a rifle for an arm. He has the size and leadership. He has all the things we want in a franchise QB. I really hope and pray the Bills take a QB this draft. Other options are: Tyler Bray - Tennessee and Aaron Murray - Georgia.
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    Re: mel kiper

    Kipers Big Board is very solid but as we all know, QB's are always drafted higher than their ratings.

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    Re: mel kiper

    Quote Originally Posted by Night Train View Post
    Kipers Big Board is very solid but as we all know, QB's are always drafted higher than their ratings.
    Maybe not this year.

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    Re: mel kiper

    Quote Originally Posted by LindellSucks View Post
    Teddy Bridgewater will come out. He's awesome.

    I love Bridgewater but he is only a true Soph.

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    Re: mel kiper

    Quote Originally Posted by DraftBoy View Post
    Maybe not this year.
    Very True but my jaw dropped a couple years back when Locker and Ponder were selected so early. It happens all the time.

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    Re: mel kiper

    Quote Originally Posted by Night Train View Post
    Very True but my jaw dropped a couple years back when Locker and Ponder were selected so early. It happens all the time.
    Ryan Tannehill, a converted wideout with only 20 starts at QB, was drafted in the Top 10. First round QBs are cheap now because of the new CBA, so teams are taking them higher than ever. There's no way RGIII goes for 4 draft picks if Washington then also has to give him $45 million guaranteed.
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    Re: mel kiper

    So sick of this song and dance every year this time.

    We are told there are no good QBs available and that this year is the weakest QB class.

    Then later on a bunch of guys come out of no where and are drafted and many succeed.

    We were told early on that Newton and RGIII were not legit options for whatever reason and look they are awesome.

    JUST GET THE ****ING QB ALREADY BILLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Re: mel kiper

    Quote Originally Posted by Night Train View Post
    Very True but my jaw dropped a couple years back when Locker and Ponder were selected so early. It happens all the time.
    And as I said back then, they were not smart decisions. Still time for both to prove me wrong, but these kinds of picks are why you don't reach for QB's.

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    Re: mel kiper

    DB What is wrong with Tyler Wilson? To me in the few games I have seen him play he seems to be a better prospect than Locker or Ponder.

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    Re: mel kiper

    Quote Originally Posted by THATHURMANATOR View Post
    DB What is wrong with Tyler Wilson? To me in the few games I have seen him play he seems to be a better prospect than Locker or Ponder.
    Physically? Not much, he's smaller than listed and probably around 6'1. My biggest question is what kind of a leader is he? To me he's got a bit of Rivers/Cutler to him where he will throw teammates under the bus. He did earlier this year when he called his teammates quitters. He's one of the best pure passers in the class though.

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    Re: mel kiper

    Quote Originally Posted by DraftBoy View Post
    Physically? Not much, he's smaller than listed and probably around 6'1. My biggest question is what kind of a leader is he? To me he's got a bit of Rivers/Cutler to him where he will throw teammates under the bus. He did earlier this year when he called his teammates quitters. He's one of the best pure passers in the class though.
    So character issues are the only downfall? I want a QB with attitude that will hold people accountable. Sick of Mr. nice guy.

    Bring Wilson in!!!

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    Re: mel kiper

    Quote Originally Posted by THATHURMANATOR View Post
    So character issues are the only downfall? I want a QB with attitude that will hold people accountable. Sick of Mr. nice guy.

    Bring Wilson in!!!
    Well he needs to get his medical checked out, he's gotten the tar beaten out of him last year. He has some work to do with reading defenses, but yes his character is the biggest hurdle as of now.

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    Re: mel kiper

    Quote Originally Posted by IlluminatusUIUC View Post
    He has a ton of starting experience in a pro style offense and generally makes smart decisions with the football. Sanchez had neither of those things. He's not going to cannon the ball downfield like Cutler or Vick, but he can hit most routes. We have one wideout who could charitably be described as a deep threat anyway.



    I would too, but despite Kiper's bluster I don't see Smith falling to us.
    How many teams in the NFL now a days actually run a pro style offense?
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    Re: mel kiper

    Once these guys get off the football field and start doing drills, their ratings will shoot them back up Kiper's board.

    There isn't anybody near the caliber of Andrew Luck or Robert Griffin III in this class - but the Bills HAVE to take a chance on somebody.
    Geno Smith, Matt Barkley, Tyler Wilson... I don't care... draft a QB in round one.
    Heck, draft one late in the draft too.
    2013 "My Should Have" Draft
    Posted During the 2013 Draft
    1 - (16): Geno Smith, QB, West Virginia
    2 - (41): Robert Woods, WR, USC
    2 - (46): Arthur Brown, LB, Kansas State
    3 - (78): Quinton Patton, WR, Louisiana Tech
    4 - (105): Barrett Jones, OG, Alabama
    5 - (143): Brandon Jenkins, LB, Florida State
    6 - (177): Da'Rick Rogers, WR, Tennessee Tech
    7 - (222): Tyler Bray, QB, Tennessee

    2013 Buddy Nix Draft
    1 - (16): E.J. Manuel, QB, Florida State
    2 - (41): Robert Woods, WR, USC
    2 - (46): Kiko Alonso, LB, Oregon
    3 - (78): Marquise Goodwin, WR, Texas
    4 - (105): Duke Williams, FS, Nevada
    5 - (143): Jonathan Meeks, SS, Clemson
    6 - (177): Dustin Hopkins, K, Florida State
    7 - (222): Chris Gragg, TE, Arkansas

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    Re: mel kiper

    If Gailey is here, he'll keep him inactive and play Fitz with a broken arm.

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