mel kiper

[djjimkelly]

was just on sportscenter saying he doesnt have a qb in his top 10 this year

and that he has matt barkley and geno smith as mid round picks

barkley is 11 on his big board

one thing ive been looking at is the need for a qb by nfl teams.

currently only 3 teams the chiefs, bills and the cardinals do not have a 1st round qb or their franchise qb in place.

you could add that the jets need a qb and maybe the raiders will second guess carson palmer and the rest of the nobodys they have at qb


this is the bills year where we get a qb from the 8th to the 12th pick i pray its BARKLEY

[TigerJ]

Re: mel kiper

There are some who think Jacksonville is fed up with Blaine Gabbert. I do think the chances are good Buffalo will pick a QB this year, but then I've thought that for the last couple of drafts. I don't think there is anyone who is in the same ballpark as RGIII and Andrew Luck, but I think there are a few future starters to be had. Barkley will be OK, I think. He doesn't have any elite qualities, but he's steady. I'm assuming you're down on Geno Smith. I'm not. He's got a better arm and a little better size. He doesn't have as much college level preparation as Barkley or as strong a supporting cast, but that strong supporting cast has not proven to help a lot of USC QBs of the past make a transition to the pros. I also like EJ Manuel and a few others. Our own Ingtar thinks Geno Smith is the only QB in the draft that's even worthy of a first round pick, but as we all know, QBs tend to get picked earlier than their quality merits, based on the need that exists in the NFL for starting caliber QBs.

[IlluminatusUIUC]

Re: mel kiper

There's still a lot of football to be played, but if the draft were today I'd be comfortable with Barkley, Smith, or Manuel tbh. Barkley's got the lowest ceiling but the highest floor. Smith and Manuel are big and strong and, most importantly, accurate.

[Pinkerton Security]

Re: mel kiper

I'd take Barkley over Fitz in a heartbeat.

[DesertFox24]

Re: mel kiper

What is it about Barkley that everyone likes he is not the answer he does not have the arm strength.

He is Sanchez junior I will be so upset if we draft him.

I would rather draft Geno and let him sit on the pine for two years.

[DraftBoy]

Re: mel kiper

I wrote about this months ago with regard to the lack of QB need in this years class.

[IlluminatusUIUC]

Re: mel kiper

What is it about Barkley that everyone likes he is not the answer he does not have the arm strength.

He is Sanchez junior I will be so upset if we draft him.

He has a ton of starting experience in a pro style offense and generally makes smart decisions with the football. Sanchez had neither of those things. He's not going to cannon the ball downfield like Cutler or Vick, but he can hit most routes. We have one wideout who could charitably be described as a deep threat anyway.

I would rather draft Geno and let him sit on the pine for two years.

I would too, but despite Kiper's bluster I don't see Smith falling to us.

[Albany,n.y.]

Re: mel kiper

I would rather draft Geno and let him sit on the pine for two years.

In the modern NFL, if you draft a QB in the 1st round, he's your starting QB no later than his 2nd season. The only exceptions are teams that draft a QB for the future with a top QB in place, or if the guy is such a bust the team knows he'll never be a quality starter. Fitzpatrick is not the guy you sit your 1st round pick for.
If we draft Geno Smith, he's starting by mid-season.

[Albany,n.y.]

Re: mel kiper

I would too, but despite Kiper's bluster I don't see Smith falling to us.

Where do you think we're drafting? If KC & Jax don't take him before us, who will?

[OpIv37]

Re: mel kiper

I wrote about this months ago with regard to the lack of QB need in this years class.

watch this be the year where we completely bottom out, lose the rest of our games, and there is no QB available.....

[GingerP]

Re: mel kiper

He is Sanchez junior I will be so upset if we draft him.

He has played a lot more football than Sanchez, who only started 16 games in college before turning pro. There will be 4 years of college film on Barkley against some pretty good competition, so he should be easier to evaluate.

I don't think Barkley is as good a prospect as Luck, RGII, Stafford or some other QBs who went top-5, but he is still a pretty good NFL prospect. I'd like him a lot more if he could bring his WR from USC with him. Neither Lee or Woods are an A.J. Green-type talent, but both seem like they will be pretty good as pros. That helps Barkley.

[IlluminatusUIUC]

Re: mel kiper

Where do you think we're drafting? If KC & Jax don't take him before us, who will?

Well you just listed two teams who I think would draft him before us and likely will appear before us in the draft order. I can see us stealing 2-3 more wins off our remaining schedule and finishing between 8-13 in the order. Beyond them, I could imagine Dallas or Philadelphia (should Reid go) trading up for a QB, or a St. Louis giving up on Bradford and what's left of his monster deal.

In any event, unless something changes significantly, I still see Smith as the first QB off the board and us not being able to get him without a large trade.

[DesertFox24]

Re: mel kiper

Hell I do not see any QBs for 14 either that intrigue me either to be honest with you.

Maybe Renner from North Carolina but still.

Honestly Dysert from Miami Ohio might be the best QB in these next two classes.

That is not a joke either.

Also I agree that most first round QBs start but we do have the advantage of having a QB that can play well at times which allows us to not rush him.

I would much rather do an Aaron Rogers where the guy sits for two years learns and David Lee can work with him and develop him and then he starts in year 2 or 3, preferably year 3.

Granted that is also predicated on the bills actually making the playoffs in 2013 so do not listen to me I am in Narnia right now.

[DraftBoy]

Re: mel kiper

Hell I do not see any QBs for 14 either that intrigue me either to be honest with you.

Maybe Renner from North Carolina but still.

Honestly Dysert from Miami Ohio might be the best QB in these next two classes.

That is not a joke either.

Also I agree that most first round QBs start but we do have the advantage of having a QB that can play well at times which allows us to not rush him.

I would much rather do an Aaron Rogers where the guy sits for two years learns and David Lee can work with him and develop him and then he starts in year 2 or 3, preferably year 3.

Granted that is also predicated on the bills actually making the playoffs in 2013 so do not listen to me I am in Narnia right now.

For '14 Id look at David Fales (SJ St), Jeff Matthews (Cornell), and Tyler Russell (Miss St).

[IlluminatusUIUC]

Re: mel kiper

For '14 Id look at David Fales (SJ St), Jeff Matthews (Cornell), and Tyler Russell (Miss St).

You seem to really like small school QBs. Why is that? I know you've been hyping Dysert this year and now guys from SJ State and Cornell?

As a side note, the thought of replacing a Harvard QB with a Cornell QB would be pretty funny.