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    Peace dividend

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    Peace dividend

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    Peace dividend is a political slogan popularized by US President George H.W. Bush and UK Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher in the early 1990s, purporting to describe the economic benefit of a decrease in defense spending. It is used primarily in discussions relating to the guns versus butter theory. The term was frequently used at the end of the Cold War, when many Western nations significantly cut military spending.

    Real or not?

    While economies do undergo a recession after the end of a major conflict as the economy is forced to adjust and retool, a "peace dividend" refers to a potential long-term benefit as budgets for defense spending are assumed to be at least partially redirected to social programs and/or a decrease in taxation rates. The existence of a peace dividend in real economies is still debated, but some research points to its reality.[1]

    A political discussion about the peace dividend resulting from the end of the Cold War involves a debate about which countries have actually scaled back military spending and which have not. The scale back in defense spending was mainly noticeable in Western Europe and in the Russian Federation. The United States, whose military spending was rapidly reducing between 1985 and 1993 and remained flat between 1993 and 1999,[2] has dramatically increased it after September 11, 2001 to fund conflicts like the War on Terror, War in Afghanistan and the War in Iraq.


    Unfortunately, peace doesn't provide a dividend for those who's bottom line depends on conflict.

    Good thing 9/11 came along to show us all the folly of cutting military spending.

    But that's okay, we can cut entitlements instead.

    "Sorry grandma, it's cat food for you again this month. Our heroes need more bullets cuz terrorists want to kill you for your freedoms." ~ American patriots everywhere
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    Re: Peace dividend

    Viva la Revolution!!!

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    Re: Peace dividend

    Boy, isn't it lucky 9/11 came along to wake us all up about the fiendish Islamic menace?

    Just think of all that money that wouldn't have been made by the MIC if it hadn't?

    Oh, and it's not only the money spent on the various wars but all the money spent creating the security state.

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    Re: Peace dividend

    Is it not possible you, Shivarticus, are CIA? Yes or no: possible?

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    Re: Peace dividend

    Haha.

    He'd fall into his own theory and get swallowed up.

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    Re: Peace dividend

    Quote Originally Posted by Berger-boy View Post
    Is it not possible you, Shivarticus, are CIA? Yes or no: possible?
    Why not tell these guys the Cone of Silence story?

    Shouldn't they know you have a security clearance?

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    Re: Peace dividend

    Quote Originally Posted by Tagir View Post
    Haha.

    He'd fall into his own theory and get swallowed up.
    I'm glad to see that there's still Americans willing to run up the national debt as long as it involves killing people and blowing **** up.

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    Re: Peace dividend

    Quote Originally Posted by Spartacus View Post
    I'm glad to see that there's still Americans willing to run up the national debt as long as it involves killing people and blowing **** up.
    Those are the exact people who throw a wrench into your conspiracy theory though.

    They act the same exact way if they're doing it on purpose or if they're idiots who react the same way to the same stimulus over and over.

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    Re: Peace dividend

    Quote Originally Posted by Tagir View Post
    Those are the exact people who throw a wrench into your conspiracy theory though.

    They act the same exact way if they're doing it on purpose or if they're idiots who react the same way to the same stimulus over and over.
    How does this throw a wrench into my "conspiracy theory"?

    Does it validate your conspiracy theory?

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    Re: Peace dividend

    Quote Originally Posted by Spartacus View Post
    How does this throw a wrench into my "conspiracy theory"?

    Does it validate your conspiracy theory?
    Your theory is based off result, working back to cause. The problem is the cause could just as logically come from knee-jerk people who act consistently when given the same stimulus as it could from some people who act that way consciously with the result in mind. So you can't really parse out motive based on the result. The best you can say is there's a chance you could be right.

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    Re: Peace dividend

    Your theory also assumes that the result was what was planned. Very often in the world, what people plan for does not result from their efforts. You have to assume the result is what they were trying for and then assume that they planned it. That's alot of assumptions.

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    Re: Peace dividend

    Quote Originally Posted by Tagir View Post
    Your theory is based off result, working back to cause. The problem is the cause could just as logically come from knee-jerk people who act consistently when given the same stimulus as it could from some people who act that way consciously with the result in mind. So you can't really parse out motive based on the result. The best you can say is there's a chance you could be right.
    I have posted numerous threads about inductive and deductive logic as well as direct evidence and indirect (ie. circumstantial) evidence.

    Wikipedia has pages on all four. Worth a read.

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    Re: Peace dividend

    Quote Originally Posted by Tagir View Post
    Your theory also assumes that the result was what was planned. Very often in the world, what people plan for does not result from their efforts. You have to assume the result is what they were trying for and then assume that they planned it. That's alot of assumptions.
    I spent my working career planning and supervising operations involving groups of highly paid experts.

    We were all highly paid because our results were what we planned for.

    What was my business?

    Creating illusions.

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    Re: Peace dividend

    Quote Originally Posted by Spartacus View Post
    Why not tell these guys the Cone of Silence story?

    Shouldn't they know you have a security clearance?
    So it is true. Chévartiquos = CIA. Nice to know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spartacus View Post
    I have posted numerous threads about inductive and deductive logic as well as direct evidence and indirect (ie. circumstantial) evidence.

    Wikipedia has pages on all four. Worth a read.
    Now that's real irony.

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    Re: Peace dividend

    Quote Originally Posted by Berger-boy View Post
    Now that's real irony.
    Jesus, not another dumbass American who doesn't know what the **** irony is.

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    Re: Peace dividend

    Quote Originally Posted by Spartacus View Post
    Jesus, not another dumbass American who doesn't know what the **** irony is.
    Correct.

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