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    Look north repubs, look north.

    Do Republicans need to learn some lessons from Stephen Harper and Canada's Conservative Party in the wake of Mitt Romney's defeat?

    That seems to be the message from Canadian pundits this week attempting to explain how the Republicans continue to lose elections in a country far more Conservative than Canada, while Harper just keeps on winning.


    So what is it exactly the GOP has to learn from Harper? The general message is the party must realize it can no longer win elections by appealing primarily to older white men. So how do Republicans broaden the base?

    First off, jettison the Tea Party craziness on issues such as abortion, gay marriage and, most importantly, taxes and spending.

    "[Harper] has kept the wilder social conservatives in his caucus on a short leash, minimizing fractious debates on such hot-button issues as the death penalty, gay rights and abortion," wrote the Toronto Star in their post-election editorial.

    Just take the recent debate on abortion in Parliament. While the large number of Conservative votes for MP Stephen Woodworth's motion to study when life begins garnered plenty of attention — much of it negative — Harper managed to steer the Tories away from epic blunders such as Todd Akin's suggestion that the bodies of victims of "legitimate rape" have "ways to try and shut that whole thing down."


    Akin lost his senatorial battle in Missouri, and was far from the only militantly anti-abortion GOP candidate to go down in flames on election night.

    Obama got far more votes from women than Romney, an 18-point gender gap that was a major factor in the outcome of the race. Fringe statements on abortion rights likely contributed to this critical gulf and Romney's debate night comments about "binders full of women" didn't help.

    More important than social issues has been the Tories' pragmatic approach to dealing with the economy in the wake of the financial crisis. Romney's opposition to bailouts, particularly for the auto sector, likely played a key role in his defeat in the rust belt swing states.

    And the scores of Republicans, including Romney, who signed Grover Norquist's no-tax pledge have done no favours for the credibility of their party on the issue of balancing America's bloated budget.

    Harper, meanwhile, "wisely swallowed his reflexive fiscal conservatism and reached into the piggy bank when Canada faced the 2008-09 economic crisis," according to the Star editorial.

    But the Tories have really out-gunned the GOP when it comes to winning the votes of new and growing constituencies.

    Like the Republicans, the Tories have traditionally relied on "white male voters in the conservative heartland – in Canada’s case, the Prairies, plus the rural parts of British Columbia and Ontario," according to The Globe and Mail's John Ibbitson. But unlike the Republicans, the Tories have aggressively embraced immigration, and the values of immigrant constituencies. Low and behold, in the last election the Tories picked up support in growing suburban communities with large immigrant populations.

    Romney's opposition to the Dream Act — a bill to help young, undocumented immigrants — and his hard-line on issues of immigration probably played a major role in Obama capturing 75 per cent of the Latino vote.

    When even Pat Buchanan, a man who once referred to his northern neighbour as "Soviet Canuckistan," is telling his party to look to Canada on how to expand the base, you know something has to give.If the Republicans are willing to learn, it seems the Tories are willing to teach. On a recent trip to the U.K., Immigration Minister Jason Kenney, who in Ibbitson's words "has made it his life’s work to win over immigrants to the Conservative cause," gave British Prime Minister David Cameron tips on capturing the ethnic vote.

    The GOP would be wise to give Kenney a call.
    Conservatism is by its very nature reluctant to change, but if Republicans fail to adapt to the 21st century, as Harper's Conservatives have, then the party of Lincoln faces a decidedly bleak future.

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    Re: Look north repubs, look north.

    i think everyone agrees that to become more relevant, the GOP needs to be more moderate.

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    Re: Look north repubs, look north.

    Tyke, you do realize that a Canadian or European conservative would probably still be to the left of many moderate Democrats in the United States.

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    Re: Look north repubs, look north.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibby View Post
    Tyke, you do realize that a Canadian or European conservative would probably still be to the left of many moderate Democrats in the United States.
    I would not put harper's consevatives left of the dems party, if anything just a touch to the right. But who cares, harper will still be PM when obama is long gone.
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    Re: Look north repubs, look north.

    In other words repubs need to let the government spend, tax, and give out free stuff to any and everyone.....

    Dependocrats should look at Greece and Italy to see where our country will be at if we continue to borrow and spend...
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    Re: Look north repubs, look north.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    In other words repubs need to let the government spend, tax, and give out free stuff to any and everyone.....
    Yup. Taxes are the price we pay for civilization. The alternative is to devolve into something like Malawi
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    Re: Look north repubs, look north.

    this quote is relevant in about 15 different threads here....

    "When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic".

    Benjamin Franklin.

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    Re: Look north repubs, look north.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    this quote is relevant in about 15 different threads here....

    "When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic".

    Benjamin Franklin.
    Part of the problem with the Republicans is they they think two centuries old attitudes are relevant in the 21st century

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    Re: Look north repubs, look north.

    Quote Originally Posted by MidnightVoice View Post
    Part of the problem with the Republicans is they they think two centuries old attitudes are relevant in the 21st century
    This actually is a relevant quote, but Gilly has- unsurprisingly- attributed it to the wrong aspect of our current political arena.

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    Re: Look north repubs, look north.

    Quote Originally Posted by MidnightVoice View Post
    Part of the problem with the Republicans is they they think two centuries old attitudes are relevant in the 21st century

    2 centuries? what about when they preach the bible?

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    Re: Look north repubs, look north.

    Quote Originally Posted by JATMtheJATM View Post
    2 centuries? what about when they preach the bible?
    Everyone knows Jesus was born in 1581 and that the planet is only 193 years old. Duh, read a ****ing book you dumb idiot.

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    Re: Look north repubs, look north.

    I want to make it perfectly clear to everyone that I wasn't serious when I said I think JATM should read a book. Every time you open a book, a miniature Satan jumps into your mouth and eats part of your heart and poisons your soul.

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    Re: Look north repubs, look north.

    Quote Originally Posted by ICRockets View Post
    I want to make it perfectly clear to everyone that I wasn't serious when I said I think JATM should read a book. Every time you open a book, a miniature Satan jumps into your mouth and eats part of your heart and poisons your soul.
    The more people learn, the more likely they are to be liberal.

    So the way I see it, the GOP has two choices.

    They can pull a Fahrenheit 451 and burn all the books (or more appropriately for the times, ban e-readers) to make sure nobody learns anything.

    Or they can make a willful effort to regain their sanity and come back to the middle.

    The latter seems more likely.

    The ****ing morons with all the god damned teabags hanging from their tri-cornered hats are destroying the GOP with their far right ideology.

    The GOP needs more Olympia Snows and less Todd Akins.

    The GOP primaries are truly frightening things when you see what these lunatics actually believe.

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    Re: Look north repubs, look north.

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    Re: Look north repubs, look north.

    And if the Repubs can somehow splinter the Dems into 4 left of center oppositon parties, they too can win elections like the Harper cons with only 40% of the popular vote.
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    Re: Look north repubs, look north.

    Quote Originally Posted by ticatfan View Post
    I would not put harper's consevatives left of the dems party, if anything just a touch to the right. But who cares, harper will still be PM when obama is long gone.
    The way he's going, Obama may very well be in office come the next time Harper and the Cons have to stand for election.
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    Re: Look north repubs, look north.

    Quote Originally Posted by MidnightVoice View Post
    Part of the problem with the Republicans is they they think two centuries old attitudes are relevant in the 21st century
    At best. Usually it's more like 2800 year old attitudes.
    Gailey's history. He just doesn't know it yet.

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    Re: Look north repubs, look north.

    Quote Originally Posted by JoeMama View Post
    The GOP primaries are truly frightening things when you see what these lunatics actually believe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ticatfan View Post
    Look north repubs, look north
    Better yet, move north.

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    Re: Look north repubs, look north.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bellowing4DaBills View Post
    And if the Repubs can somehow splinter the Dems into 4 left of center oppositon parties, they too can win elections like the Harper cons with only 40% of the popular vote.
    You make it sound like winning with 40% is something new when it is standard in every election. 40% is good for the left, but bad for the right. You lefties are so predictible. lol

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    Re: Look north repubs, look north.

    Quote Originally Posted by ckg927 View Post
    The way he's going, Obama may very well be in office come the next time Harper and the Cons have to stand for election.
    Harper will win a majority at least one more time, obama will be a footnote and our dear leader will still be leading, leading the next superpower of the world.

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