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    TJ Graham had never run that option route before this past Sunday

    Joe Busacglia quoting Stevie Johnson via Twitter.

    Quoting the tweets:
    "Stevie Johnson said that TJ Graham had never run the route he did on the #Bills final play vs. NE in either practice or a game."

    "Stevie continued: "But in that situation I guess things was hurried up and we had people in positions where maybe they shouldn't have been."

    "More from Stevie "I'm more experienced with that route, Donald is and Scott is more experienced with that route... "

    "...So I think in that situation we should of had some more experience there."


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    Re: TJ Graham had never run that option route before this past Sunday

    Jones went out, unfortunately. Someone had to run that spot.






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    Re: TJ Graham had never run that option route before this past Sunday

    Quote Originally Posted by Oaf View Post
    Jones went out, unfortunately. Someone had to run that spot.
    Well there was Stevie and Chandler available...

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    Re: TJ Graham had never run that option route before this past Sunday

    Stevie Johnson has talked multiple times already about that play, saying 'New England has go to guys - Gronk, Welker, in those situations, we do too, myself, Freddy, CJ, Chandler...'

    He's saying in a nice way the coaching staff are idiots for not having a play run w/ one of them.
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    Re: TJ Graham had never run that option route before this past Sunday

    Quote Originally Posted by Oaf View Post
    Jones went out, unfortunately. Someone had to run that spot.
    Fine, but Fitz should've known that and never thrown it to him.

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    Re: TJ Graham had never run that option route before this past Sunday

    Quote Originally Posted by Oaf View Post
    Jones went out, unfortunately. Someone had to run that spot.
    Did Easley play?? he should know all the plays by now right
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    Re: TJ Graham had never run that option route before this past Sunday

    This is just an epic failure on so many levels. First it's on the coaches to make sure Graham is familiar with the route. Second, if he's not familiar with the route, they have two options: a) put in someone that is familiar or b) call a play that requires him to run a route that he DOES know. Third, Fitz should know better than to look in his direction and just throw the ball away. Pissing away a down is not a great option in that situation, but it would have been better than what ended up happening. At least we would have had time for one more chance. Fitz's advantage is supposed to be his Ivy League smarts- where were they on that play?

    And, if we didn't piss away a time out in the 3rd after a first down in true Dick Jauron style, then MAYBE we could have called time out in that situation and fixed this ****ing mess.

    The level of incompetence displayed by this team is just appalling. And every time I think it can't get any worse, somehow it does.

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    Re: TJ Graham had never run that option route before this past Sunday

    Quote Originally Posted by Oaf View Post
    Jones went out, unfortunately. Someone had to run that spot.
    Jones was in on the last play.

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    Re: TJ Graham had never run that option route before this past Sunday

    i'm sure stevie's intention for these comments were in the right place, but he isn't helping. it's like the GOP candidates insistance to talk about rape. you'd have wished they'd just stop.

    Stevie is either willingly selling the coaching staff down the river (which i doubt because he seems like he likes them) or the dysfunction is so grandoise in Billsland that they don't even see it. i watched this film on North Koreans and they don't even know how bad they got it. and that's essentially stevie.
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    Re: TJ Graham had never run that option route before this past Sunday

    the players get fed up. This happens every season too. They know the coaching staff are losers and they get tired. I had this dream last night: The season is over and Chan is sitting at his desk evaluating statistics. He puts his head up and says (with a huge light bulb over it) "Maybe we should have ran CJ more".

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    Re: TJ Graham had never run that option route before this past Sunday

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Miyagi View Post
    Fine, but Fitz should've known that and never thrown it to him.
    That's it in a nutshell.

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    Re: TJ Graham had never run that option route before this past Sunday

    The Patriots were spoon-fed with a win. It was so sad as well to watch the Steelers get handed their win. I have followed the NFL for my entire life, and this week just made me want to contact Mr. Goodell to see if his writers could set me up with a sitcom. If there is no bias in the game or scripts, then the NFL needs to stop hiring mentally handicapped referees or non-betters.

    Take away the 82 yard drive for a touchdown, which OH WAIT had 69 yards worth of penalties, and that sad excuse for a team that the NFL bows to looks bad. Their defense is pathetic, their offense isn't even that good as proved by the myriad of pro-home calls. Say what you want, but this game was sent to Warner Bros. and they loved the script.
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    Re: TJ Graham had never run that option route before this past Sunday

    Quote Originally Posted by ServoBillieves View Post
    The Patriots were spoon-fed with a win. It was so sad as well to watch the Steelers get handed their win. I have followed the NFL for my entire life, and this week just made me want to contact Mr. Goodell to see if his writers could set me up with a sitcom. If there is no bias in the game or scripts, then the NFL needs to stop hiring mentally handicapped referees or non-betters.

    Take away the 82 yard drive for a touchdown, which OH WAIT had 69 yards worth of penalties, and that sad excuse for a team that the NFL bows to looks bad. Their defense is pathetic, their offense isn't even that good as proved by the myriad of pro-home calls. Say what you want, but this game was sent to Warner Bros. and they loved the script.
    Are we really still stuck on this?

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    Re: TJ Graham had never run that option route before this past Sunday

    Here's a the All-22 shot of the last play.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A7mnvS1CQAEQix1.jpg:large

    Not the best quality, safety on Steve's side moves away after Fitz releases the ball, so Steve wasn't wide open as some claim, would have been a tight throw.

    CJ and TJ were the only two options, and like I said on Sunday, I still don't understand why they put a rookie in that situation. Element of surprise, more like element of stupidity.

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    Re: TJ Graham had never run that option route before this past Sunday

    Quote Originally Posted by DraftBoy View Post
    Are we really still stuck on this?
    of course. it was so obvious that it wasn't real. and no one is talking about this. it was clear as day. i have patriot friends in the office who are like, "those were ridiculous calls"

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    Re: TJ Graham had never run that option route before this past Sunday

    I blame the coaching staff for not having the team ready. Sorry, but Graham has had the play book for how long and it's up to the coaching staff make sure they know it. If the players do not know it then don't call the play. It is very rare that you hear the excuses of running the wrong route as the reason good coached teams lose. They have their team ready.

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    Re: TJ Graham had never run that option route before this past Sunday

    Shouldn't a team that's had the same offensive scheme, (with almost the same players) for the past 3 years know what their most successful plays are in that situation? That play should never have been called, especially if the rookie WR has never even practiced it!!! I also disklike the fact that Fitz threw to the endzone so quickly...They could still have had 1st and goal if they stuck to the sideline passing...

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    Re: TJ Graham had never run that option route before this past Sunday

    Quote Originally Posted by trapezeus View Post
    of course. it was so obvious that it wasn't real. and no one is talking about this. it was clear as day. i have patriot friends in the office who are like, "those were ridiculous calls"
    Yes but you're forgetting the obvious. The Bills did in fact commit penalties on those plays, it just should of been illegal contact or defensive holding instead of DPI.

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    Re: TJ Graham had never run that option route before this past Sunday

    Quote Originally Posted by kingJofNYC View Post
    Here's a the All-22 shot of the last play.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A7mnvS1CQAEQix1.jpg:large

    Not the best quality, safety on Steve's side moves away after Fitz releases the ball, so Steve wasn't wide open as some claim, would have been a tight throw.

    CJ and TJ were the only two options, and like I said on Sunday, I still don't understand why they put a rookie in that situation. Element of surprise, more like element of stupidity.
    Here's the thing though...assume TJ makes the cut, McCourty is still sitting right in the middle and will break on the ball. We assume the right cut equals success but that All-22 does not support that. The best route would of been a corner route since the CB was slow to drop in what appeared to be Quarters Coverage. That would be a throw towards the bottom corner to Graham.

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    Re: TJ Graham had never run that option route before this past Sunday

    Losing the time outs really hurt, and were a factor (minor, but obviously in hindsight with SJ's tweets a factor nonetheless). Haven't had time to catch up on other threads yet, but does this finally cement the fact that Graham ran the wrong route?

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